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08:21:49 <wbailer_> zakim, this will be CONF1
08:21:51 <Zakim> ok, wbailer_; I see Team_(html-wg)07:45Z scheduled to start 36 minutes ago
08:21:59 <wbailer_> meeting: MAWG F2F day 2
08:22:01 <wbailer_> chair: daniel
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08:22:06 <wbailer_> scribenick: wbailer
08:22:21 <wbailer_> topic: implementation and test suite
08:22:42 <wbailer_> florian presents implementation at http://mawg.joanneum.at
08:23:01 <wbailer_> image gallery demo and more technical demo available
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08:24:43 <wbailer_> florain: user selects image, loads metadata resources, then possible to query the properties
08:25:20 <wbailer_> present: jean-pierre, yannick, daniel, joakim, florian, tobias, wonsuk, werner
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08:26:27 <wbailer_> florian: next step: integrate ontology
08:27:03 <wbailer_> ... add trust layer to handle collission between metadata (e.g. dc creation date vs exif creation date)
08:27:37 <wbailer_> ... other next steps could be to use it to connect to youtube or flickr api and map to ma
08:27:51 <wbailer_> ... question is how to build test suite around implementation
08:28:29 <wbailer_> ... which kind of test cases should we have
08:30:30 <wbailer_> werner: two levels of tests: correct return types, then correct mapping
08:30:47 <wbailer_> yannick: query properties from different formats
08:30:52 <wbailer_> ... do we need to support all formats?
08:31:15 <wbailer_> conclusion at last meeting was: two implementations overlapping with some formats, but not for all
08:31:29 <wbailer_> daniel: someone has to create metadata for tests
08:31:49 <stegmai> http://mawg.joanneum.at/ <- reference implementation
08:32:16 <wbailer_> florian: link is on sourceforge
08:32:29 <wbailer_> daniel: how to add additional metadata format?
08:32:42 <wbailer_> florian: you need to implement extractor and mapping for a format
08:33:07 <wbailer_> joakim: did you write your own extractor?
08:33:22 <wbailer_> florian: in this case it's only SAX parser and XPath
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08:34:37 <wbailer_> joakim: we do not want to have the metadata extractors part of the tests
08:35:04 <wbailer_> ... should we have an intermediate format for metadata being extracted
08:36:00 <wbailer_> werner: only for non-xml format? what is the added value, we have to avoid that there is already mapping in the intermediate format
08:36:24 <wbailer_> florian: test suite should test api spec, thus not the mapping, but the functionality of the api
08:36:54 <wbailer_> ... do we need one test suite for ontology + api, or two, one for mapping and one for the api
08:37:15 <wbailer_> ... these are two different steps, that can be tested separately
08:37:48 <wbailer_> florian: problem with intermediate format: how to store the metadata information
08:38:07 <wbailer_> wonsuk: we need to define sample test files for the different formats
08:38:27 <wbailer_> ... depending on the implementation we can make a program that processes the files
08:38:53 <wbailer_> florian: problem, who creates further implementations
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08:40:24 <wbailer_> florian: do not plan to add further formats myself
08:42:33 <wbailer_> [wonsuk draws proposed workflow for tests on flip chart]
08:53:01 <wbailer_> wonsuk's proposal: have a matrix of test cases and formats, specify methods to be called and arguments, and expectedd response (e.g as JSON)
08:53:23 <wbailer_> present+ thierry, philippe le hegaret
08:53:38 <wbailer_> thierry: do we need to have test for all of them?
08:54:36 <wbailer_> philippe: would expect that one of them is complete
08:54:57 <wbailer_> jean-pierre: source of complete implementation should be published
08:56:09 <wbailer_> thierry: we have to define the criteria to exit cr
08:57:07 <wbailer_> philippe: the way test was done for infoset was to say that other specs use it
08:57:29 <wbailer_> ... you have to prove that mapping works
08:57:46 <wbailer_> ... no need to have software for ontology doc
08:57:53 <wbailer_> ... implementations of api are needed
08:58:06 <wbailer_> ... question is how many of the properties need to be supported in the api
09:01:10 <wbailer_> philippe: for ontology, propose to have one file for each format, with the same metadata in it, plus target mappings to ontology
09:01:24 <wbailer_> ... publish source and target files
09:02:14 <wbailer_> joakim: files cannot be identical, because different formats have different scopes
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09:03:13 <wbailer_> philippe: publish service, that eg uses EXIF extractor and creates RDF according to defined ontology
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09:08:04 <wbailer_> [florian draws api test for web service use case on flip chart]
09:14:05 <wbailer_> florian: separating api and ontology tests would help people who just want to use the ontology
09:15:42 <wbailer_> yannick: api and ontology tests can be linked when the rdf files that are results of ontology tests are used as api tests
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09:20:41 <wbailer_> philippe: propose to decouple timelines of ontology and api doc, move ontology doc forward as fast as possible
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09:23:08 <wbailer_> philippe: to enforce getting the mapping examples, put formats at risk to push people
09:23:42 <wbailer_> joakim: start from list of people who initially did the mappings to assign responsibilities for providing mappings
09:24:07 <tmichel> zakim, call Rhone_2
09:24:07 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; the call is being made
09:25:02 <tmichel> zakim, call Rhone_2
09:25:02 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; the call is being made
09:25:12 <wbailer_> original mapping responsibilities http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review
09:25:40 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
09:25:40 <Zakim> Team_(html-wg)07:45Z has not yet started, tmichel
09:25:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, fsasaki, Nobu, SGondo, Zakim, RRSAgent, wbailer_, stegmai, yannick, danielp, wonsuk, dsinger, freedom, trackbot
09:27:52 <wbailer_> thierry: this is not the final list, it's missing the container formats
09:28:20 <wbailer_> frbr has already been removed
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09:38:59 <wbailer_> table in the wiki has been updated
09:39:24 <wbailer_> action: tobias to provide example RDF files for the mapping target
09:39:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-355 - Provide example RDF files for the mapping target [on Tobias Bürger - due 2010-11-12].
09:40:58 <tmichel> zakim this is Team_(mediaann)
09:41:17 <tmichel> zakim, this is Team_(mediaann)
09:41:17 <Zakim> tmichel, I see Team_(mediaann)08:00Z in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be Team_(mediaann)".
09:42:37 <wbailer_> [coffee break]
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09:45:40 <tmichel> zakim, call Rhone_2
09:45:40 <Zakim> sorry, tmichel, I don't know what conference this is
09:46:02 <tmichel> zakim, this is Team_(mediaann)
09:46:02 <Zakim> tmichel, I see Team_(mediaann)08:00Z in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be Team_(mediaann)".
09:46:58 <tmichel> zakim, this will be Team_(mediaann)
09:46:58 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; I see Team_(mediaann)08:00Z scheduled to start 106 minutes ago
09:47:16 <tmichel> zakim, call Rhone_2
09:47:16 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; the call is being made
09:47:17 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:00Z has now started
09:47:37 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:00Z has ended
09:47:38 <Zakim> Attendees were 
09:50:42 <tmichel> zakim, call Rhone_2
09:50:42 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; the call is being made
09:50:43 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:00Z has now started
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10:20:02 <wbailer_> joakim: after tobias has provided example, each responsable for a format to provide a complete mapping file
10:22:09 <wbailer_> tobias will provide template within 2 weeks
10:22:32 <wbailer_> deadline for data: jan. 10, 2011
10:23:54 <wbailer_> then have a round of reviews of the proposed files (similar to as we did for the mapping tables)
10:24:31 <wbailer_> should be finished before F2F
10:26:28 <wbailer_> thierry: to go cr: (1) handle comments in 2nd LC, (2) disposition of comments document, (3) state cr exit criteria and discussion with director
10:26:39 <wbailer_> (3) could be scheduled in Jan
10:27:34 <wbailer_> we could leave cr for ontology doc after Feb. F2F
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10:56:06 <wbailer_> joakim summarises next step for test suite, will put text on wiki and send it by mail
10:56:38 <wbailer_> [lunch break]
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12:13:05 <danielp> API discussion issues: Wonsuk's proposal, Robin's comments, Doug's comments, etc...
12:14:20 <danielp> More precise of Rating description.
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12:15:42 <danielp> action to Wonsuk to make more precise description of rating in ontology
12:15:42 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
12:16:17 <danielp> action to wonsuk to make more precise description of rating in ontology
12:16:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
12:16:38 <danielp> action: Wonsuk to make more precise description of rating in ontology
12:16:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-356 - Make more precise description of rating in ontology [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-11-12].
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12:18:42 <danielp> next is Wonsuk's proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Nov/0059.html
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12:18:55 <Joakim> The description of the rating in the ontology doc must be more precis
12:19:17 <Joakim> Topic: API design proposal from Wonsuk
12:20:45 <Joakim> W want to simplify the number of calls, to get the values for a properties
12:21:00 <Joakim> Minimize the number of parameters
12:21:37 <Joakim> and merge getPropertyNamesHavingValues() and getMediaProperty
12:22:21 <Joakim> Werner agrees to 1) and 3) in the email, 
12:22:50 <Joakim> If you pass an empty array you get all elements
12:24:21 <Joakim> Werner: regarding 2) not sure. Maybe easier to keep it as it is
12:25:17 <Joakim> following the comment from Dough, making the interface cleaner, and not having a long list
12:25:49 <Joakim> Wsk: To use an object parameter, IS easier (Wonsuk agrees)
12:26:35 <Joakim> Ask browser implmenters point of view regarding 2) 
12:26:58 <Joakim> Wnsk: In Opera have object type of parameters with optional filters
12:27:39 <Joakim> the code is more self explanatory with solution in 2)
12:29:10 <Joakim> We wait for agreements from chris and the rest of the group
12:30:02 <Joakim> Florian agrees with 3) and 1)
12:30:19 <Joakim> Werer; how would this affect sub-types?
12:30:40 <Joakim> Wonsuk: we can use "dot-notation"
12:32:16 <Joakim> When you call getProperty for more than one properties, what to do with sub-properties
12:35:08 <Joakim> Ignore all, or return sub-types of the same cardinality
12:35:45 <Joakim> This is about the "filter"
12:36:43 <Joakim> Resolution: The WG decides wether to implment these minor changes after WG consencus via emial
12:37:14 <wbailer_> s/emial/email/
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12:40:04 <wbailer_> scribenick: Joakim
12:43:01 <Joakim> Action: chris restructure the list of "interfaces", as discussed on Thursday 4/11
12:43:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-357 - Restructure the list of "interfaces", as discussed on Thursday 4/11 [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-12].
12:43:53 <Joakim> Action: chris  Add descriptive information to some sections for example 3.1.1, and what is an "interface"
12:43:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-358 -  Add descriptive information to some sections for example 3.1.1, and what is an "interface" [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-12].
12:44:14 <Joakim> Action: chris  Add type and value in all return types
12:44:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-359 -  Add type and value in all return types [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-12].
12:45:38 <Joakim> action Florian To provide an example of an automatic test routine (before x-mas break)
12:45:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-360 - Provide an example of an automatic test routine (before x-mas break) [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-11-12].
12:47:29 <Joakim> action Joakim To ask web browser vendors for feed-back on API spec
12:47:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-361 - Ask web browser vendors for feed-back on API spec [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-12].
12:47:38 <danielp> action: joakim to ask browser vendors for their opinion on the mawg documents.
12:47:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-362 - Ask browser vendors for their opinion on the mawg documents. [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-12].
12:48:55 <Joakim> action chris change the type from short to double value, min and max
12:48:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-363 - Change the type from short to double value, min and max [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-12].
12:51:34 <Joakim> action: chris changed the description in 3.14.2 target audience interface; the name should be "identifier", and rating scheme should be used
12:51:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-364 - Changed the description in 3.14.2 target audience interface; the name should be "identifier", and rating scheme should be used [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-12].
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12:53:21 <Joakim> Topic: Chris draft respons to Robin
12:54:09 <Joakim> How to introduce in HTML5?
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12:58:00 <Joakim> Werner: Can we really say that user agents must expose MediaResource interface
12:58:21 <Joakim> we should drop the example rather
12:59:04 <Joakim> wonsuk: in the video element, they provide properties concerning the media that are not relevant in our spec
13:02:42 <Joakim> he suggest to drop HTML5 example, and replace it with the existing ones
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13:06:52 <Joakim> action: joakim respond to the email in the archive 2419, from Paul Cotton
13:06:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-365 - Respond to the email in the archive 2419, from Paul Cotton [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-12].
13:07:54 <danielp> In order to help Joakim: contact Frank Olivier (microsoft), Chris Double (Mozilla), Eric Carlson (Apple), Philip (Opera) + Macjek + Paul Cotton + Sam Ruby and cc Mike Smith and Philippe Le Hegaret
13:08:26 <Joakim> The only way we can have this strong statement (2419-a) we need the group integrate our interface
13:08:40 <danielp> just cut-and-paste by raphael's last email
13:09:13 <Joakim> topic: respons to 2419-b
13:09:43 <Joakim> sync/async  API
13:12:11 <Joakim> The sync API is motivated by our Web-service use case
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13:14:23 <Joakim> werner: Suggest splitting the interface into two: sync and async
13:16:56 <Joakim> wonsuk: Add section in the specification:  Sync Interface (for web service implmenters) and Async Interface (for web developers)
13:17:56 <Joakim> action: chris (with help of API editors) Add section in the specification: Sync Interface (for web service implmenters) and Async Interface (for web developers
13:17:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-366 - (with help of API editors) Add section in the specification: Sync Interface (for web service implmenters) and Async Interface (for web developers [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-12].
13:18:18 <Joakim> topic: respons to 2419-b -2
13:18:27 <Joakim> Having filters?
13:18:58 <Joakim> suggest to keep filters!
13:19:52 <Joakim> topic: respons to 2419-c
13:21:13 <Joakim> This ambiguity will be solved be the proposed changes in the API. If not implemented Chris reply is ok
13:21:31 <Joakim> topic: respons to 2419-d
13:22:03 <Joakim> the change has been accepted!
13:22:09 <Joakim> topic: respons to 2419-e
13:24:26 <Joakim> The WG agrees with suggested respons
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13:25:12 <Joakim> topic: respons to 2419-f
13:28:20 <Joakim> WG suggest to formulate a new response that reflects the proposed API changes from wonsuk
13:31:54 <wbailer_> topic: response to 2419-g
13:32:21 <danielp> action: spark3 to verify what's the most exact word as (CreateDate or CreationDate) to a native
13:32:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-367 - Verify what's the most exact word as (CreateDate or CreationDate) to a native [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2010-11-12].
13:32:25 <Joakim> topic: response to 2419-h
13:33:25 <Joakim> we need to be more clear what we mean with compression in the ontology doc
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13:38:50 <Joakim> To clarify what information is stored in ma:format vs ma:compression, and give example for a jpg file or raw mpeg2 file
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13:40:05 <Joakim> action joakim improve description text for ma:compression and ma:format
13:40:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-368 - Improve description text for ma:compression and ma:format [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-12].
13:40:11 <Joakim> topic: response to 2419-i
13:40:55 <Joakim> WG agrees with respone
13:40:58 <Joakim> topic: response to 2419-j
13:41:45 <Joakim> WG agrees with respone
13:41:47 <Joakim> topic: response to 2419-j
13:41:51 <Joakim> topic: response to 2419-k
13:43:23 <wonsuk> Ilkka Oksanen, Nokia
13:44:17 <Joakim> Wonsuk spoke to editor of capture API (Ilkka, DAP), asking them to use our API in order to handle metadata
13:45:14 <danielp> http://www.w3.org/TR/capture-api/
13:47:18 <Joakim> action joakim In 2nd LC, send spec to Ilkka. One UC: creation-date, creator technical properties, location
13:47:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-369 - In 2nd LC, send spec to Ilkka. One UC: creation-date, creator technical properties, location [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-12].
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13:52:08 <Joakim> Topic: The group work 30 min on AP
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14:50:49 <wbailer_> topic: CME presentation
14:50:58 <wbailer_> see slides sent by daniel
14:51:51 <wbailer_> CME is a membership org, specs specified and available to members
14:52:34 <wbailer_> they still need to define how to work with other organisations such as W3C
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14:53:37 <wbailer_> CME is semantic web technology, is basically a serialised RDF graph
14:53:49 <wbailer_> use existing ontologies
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14:57:16 <wbailer> authorization/authentication mechnisms (e.g. use proof of purchase of electronic release to access premium content)
14:57:30 <wbailer> designed to be multi-platform
15:05:05 <wbailer> CME influences by MusicOntology and FRBR
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15:14:21 <wbailer_> joakim: do you use ID3?
15:15:08 <wbailer_> gregg: we use UITS, a signed code, that is proof of purchase signed by the seller, included in ID3
15:15:26 <wbailer_> ... identifier from ID3 might be useful
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15:25:38 <wbailer> use media library to synchronise between devices and access media from different formats
15:30:45 <wbailer> seeking members, opportunity for invited experts
15:32:27 <wbailer> gregg: difficult to share actual spec, but the most important properties are in the slides
15:32:50 <wbailer> ... could wokr out with steering committee how to work with mawg
15:32:59 <wbailer> s/wokr/work/
15:33:22 <wbailer> joakim: are you finished with your architecture?
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15:40:12 <wbailer> gregg: current v0.9 spec, work in progress, ontology are the most mature parts  
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15:40:29 <wbailer> joakim: which mawg could be integrated in CME?  
15:40:40 <wbailer> gregg: you tried to normalise metadata used in different format, in that sense CME is yet another container, but some concepts (e.g. technical are similar)  
15:40:47 <wbailer> ... reduced amount of metadata to reduce burden on authors  
15:40:53 <wbailer> gregg: on divergence between CME and MAWG is modeling of contributor/creator  
15:41:00 <wbailer> werner: do not see so many differences  
15:41:06 <wbailer> gregg: you tried to do a very flat ontology  
15:41:12 <wbailer> werner: we do not have expression, we do not model the frbr distinctions  
15:41:19 <wbailer> gregg: interested in media fragments  
15:41:28 <wbailer> pa: scope of MF is to give URIs to fragments  
15:41:42 <wbailer> joakim: do you expect your spec to be adopted
15:42:02 <wbailer> gregg: available through click through license
15:42:27 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:43:22 <wbailer> ... authoring of packages should be made easier
15:44:16 <wbailer> gregg: metadata is one form of premium content, but rather enables other forms of premium content, such as better recommendations
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15:46:43 <wbailer_> gregg: metadata is added value, but rather enables further premium content such as better recommendations  
15:47:04 <wbailer_> ... hope that authors add better metadata  
15:47:12 <wbailer_> ... premium content can be earlier release of concent videoes  
15:47:18 <wbailer_> daniel: question to CME: requirements from CME?  
15:47:28 <wbailer_> gregg: work more towards better practices to annotate  
15:47:35 <wbailer_> ... integrate media ontology wiht music ontology  
15:47:55 <wbailer_> gregg: more info on cme is on website
15:48:00 <wbailer_> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:50:43 <wbailer_> topic: next F2F
15:50:56 <wbailer_> scheduled  in week of Feb. 14
15:51:02 <wbailer_> contacted Apple for hosting
15:51:23 <wbailer_> alternative is VU Amsterdam
15:51:33 <wbailer_> to be decided at upcoming telco
15:52:21 <wbailer_> [adjourned]
15:52:38 <wbailer_> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:52:41 <danielp> next teleconf is November 16th. (No teleconf in next week)
15:53:15 <wbailer_> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:02:23 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:00Z has ended
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