08:11:43 RRSAgent has joined #mediaann 08:11:43 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-irc 08:11:51 Zakim has joined #mediaann 08:11:56 zakim, this is mawg 08:11:56 sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time 08:11:59 wonsuk has joined #mediaann 08:12:11 Joakim has joined #mediaann 08:12:33 pchampin has joined #mediaann 08:12:52 zakim, this is CONF1 08:12:52 wbailer, I see Team_(mediaann)09:00Z in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be CONF1". 08:12:55 stegmai has joined #mediaann 08:13:04 zakim, this will be CONF1 08:13:04 ok, wbailer; I see Team_(mediaann)09:00Z scheduled to start in 47 minutes 08:14:21 meeting: MAWG F2F day 1 08:20:03 yannick has joined #mediaann 08:25:05 sribe: florian_pa 08:25:13 scribe: florian_pa 08:25:21 zakim, who is here? 08:25:21 Team_(mediaann)09:00Z has not yet started, florian_pa 08:25:22 On IRC I see yannick, florian_pa, pchampin, Joakim, wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, wbailer, daniel, dsinger, trackbot 08:27:42 fsasaki has joined #mediaann 08:27:56 tobias has joined #mediaann 08:28:00 Wonsuk: metadata enginge on the base of the MAWG ontology could be integrated into MPEGs MXM 08:29:24 Round the Table Introduction 08:31:31 francois has joined #mediaann 08:41:52 some discussions about projects the participants are running 08:43:07 Agenda: Summary of the current LC Comments Resolutions 08:43:36 tmichel has joined #mediaann 08:44:01 Danial: we got 14 comments 08:44:45 ... we have solved a few, but 5 comments are open 08:45:21 ... we have to finalize the documents, in order to send the revised docments to the reviewer again 08:46:35 Wonsuk: Veronique proposed a new draft of ontology document 08:46:59 ... worried about that, because we stay in last call and there are lots of changes 08:47:56 wbailer has joined #mediaann 08:48:24 Daniel: three issues related to ontology document: document sync, several comments have to be adressed and the mapping table 08:49:18 Joakim: i don?t see the effect of normative and informative in the document 08:51:30 Thierry: we have to include the RDF/OWL ontology into the ontology document 08:51:43 Jean-Pierre: we should be able to finalize it this afternoon 08:52:08 Daniel: regarding the ontology document, we have 3 open comments 08:52:38 ... Doug cannot join the F2F unfortunately 08:53:01 ... if he doesn?t join, we will leave is comments out 08:53:37 Werner: he joined a telco once...we could go into the minutes, to see what he proposed 08:57:12 ... Doug was a little bit frightened about the style of the WebIDL specification and the interfaces which have to be exposed 08:58:45 Pierre-Antoine: Maybe we should clearly devide or better strucutre our API document 08:59:03 ... grouping the interfaces in data structures and actual interfaces 08:59:27 Zakim, call Rhone_2 08:59:27 ok, tmichel; the call is being made 08:59:29 Team_(mediaann)09:00Z has now started 08:59:46 Joakim: we decide about this later when telephone bridge is working 09:01:41 Thierry: let?s try to ping Doug during the coffee break 09:01:43 Proposal from Veronique: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.vm-04-Oct.html 09:01:56 existing ontology which is working on after made dispositions: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html 09:02:13 diff version between existing one and Veronique's proposal: http://tinyurl.com/3y398st 09:02:22 zakim, draft minutes 09:02:22 I don't understand 'draft minutes', florian_pa 09:02:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 09:02:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html florian_pa 09:03:03 rrsagent, make logs public 09:03:04 wbailer has joined #mediaann 09:03:17 rrsagent, make logs public 09:11:50 joakim has joined #mediaann 09:12:03 Tobias: maybe we should choose two people to check about the changes 09:12:35 Volunteers for Ontology Document: Tobias & Werner 09:14:33 Daniel: maybe two reviewers for one comment... 09:16:44 Thierry: we could also provide the diff file for comparing the changelog to it 09:21:03 preety much confusion what version of the ontology document we should use for checking the solved comments 09:21:40 wbailer has joined #mediaann 09:22:46 Florian: shall we vote? 09:24:19 Werner: i think no conflicts are in the documents...at least in the text 09:25:11 Joakim: we should go trough it right now and decide 09:26:49 sgondo has joined #mediaann 09:27:20 SGondo_ has joined #mediaann 09:29:59 Pierre-Antoine: the only person who could clearly say what is done is Veronique 09:31:09 Thierry: i think her version misses lots of new things, e.g. Raphaels changes 09:33:08 COFFEE BREAK 09:33:17 rssagent, draft minutes 09:33:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 09:33:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html florian_pa 09:35:02 Vero has joined #mediaann 09:37:21 SGondo has joined #mediaann 09:40:31 SGondo has joined #mediaann 09:41:49 SGondo has joined #mediaann 09:50:47 hi, I'm trying to connect but the bridge does not seem to be working 09:51:12 I don't get prompted to the telecon code voicemail 09:51:38 and is there someone scribing on IRC? 09:52:40 wbailer has joined #mediaann 09:52:59 chair: daniel 09:53:39 present: jean-pierre, pierre-antoine, eric, daniel, thierry, joakim, florian, tobias, werner, wonsuk 09:53:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 09:53:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer 10:07:16 tobias has joined #mediaann 10:12:04 florian_pa has joined #mediaann 10:12:15 scribe: florian_pa 10:12:21 back from the coffee break 10:12:27 zakim, who is here 10:12:27 florian_pa, you need to end that query with '?' 10:12:30 zakim, who is here? 10:12:30 On the phone I see no one 10:12:31 On IRC I see florian_pa, tobias, wbailer, Vero, tmichel, fsasaki, yannick, pchampin, wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, daniel, dsinger, trackbot 10:12:50 James is on the phone to discuss the resolution send him via email 10:15:11 chpoppe has joined #mediaann 10:15:22 James: may remaining request is to enclude speedx and vp8 as part of the ontology 10:15:25 Hi, the version of the ontology document that I had proposed for revision and approval by the grup was written before Raphael posted the new properties table. I was waiting for his new document to merge this part, but it seems that he updated it without me noticing :) 10:15:38 so indeed, his part should be integrated in the ontology document 10:17:13 Werner: container structure is indepent from the audio/visual codec 10:18:10 ... our set of properties is intended to be small and general 10:18:33 ... we are not aiming at quality parameters for codecs or something like that 10:18:47 ... only basic paramaters are in use 10:19:30 wbailer has joined #mediaann 10:20:36 ... a certain implementation of the mawg things must not use different codecs 10:21:12 James: scope and purpose of ontology includes encoding and decoding for searching and annotation 10:21:14 chpoppe_ has joined #mediaann 10:21:33 Werner: no, because the api will not provide a complete framework for annotation 10:21:40 ... only for access 10:22:09 ... the actual data access is not part of it 10:22:40 Joakim: our aim is the semantic layer, not the processing/data layer 10:22:50 James: why no complete framework? 10:22:58 SGondo has joined #mediaann 10:23:15 Werner: beyond the scope of our group 10:25:36 James: what about close caption? 10:25:54 Jean-Pierre: in EBU we try to define the type of caption and the value 10:27:33 James: it would be better if the ontology would be complete (?) 10:29:53 Daniel: please let us move forward to the next stage 10:30:19 ... right after that, you can formulate more use cases and so for a second version 10:32:34 francois has joined #mediaann 10:32:35 Werner: james, we left out complete the use cases that depend on extraction, encoding or decoding 10:33:01 ... in a first version, the api will be also read only - not wrighting metadat 10:33:30 ... we have not included codecs only container formats 10:33:44 ... mpeg2 would be also an important codec, but we don?t have it inside 10:34:35 joakim has joined #mediaann 10:36:13 Thierry: our first task starting the working group was to identify relevant tasks in the use case and req. document 10:36:24 ... please refer to this document and not the mission of the group 10:37:40 James describes some use cases he thinks are useful. 10:38:51 Joakim: James, we really have to move on now, but please mail us a scenario what you want to do 10:39:33 Werner: let me state, that the ontology has nothing to do with a codec - it only contains metadata informations 10:39:58 James: maybe i should have a look at it again - thought it would be a list of codecs 10:41:16 raphael has joined #mediaann 10:44:06 SGondo has joined #mediaann 10:50:52 Jean-Pierre: we have to make it clear in the document, that it is only a basic set of comments 10:51:58 SGondo has joined #mediaann 10:51:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 10:52:08 joakim has joined #mediaann 10:53:13 Thierry: we should resend him a response and set him a deadline for response tomorrow evening 10:53:46 action item to werner: response james once again 10:53:46 Sorry, couldn't find user - item 10:53:54 action item werner: response james once again 10:53:54 Sorry, couldn't find user - item 10:53:58 I would like to complete my dues changes on the ontology doc ... but I understood that the doc has forked and I don't know on which version I should work 10:54:16 ... why people do not work on CVS and let CVS do the merge? 10:54:27 ... can I work on the latest copy from the CVS repo? 10:54:35 action: thierry to response james once again and set a deadline for a response 10:54:35 Created ACTION-327 - Response james once again and set a deadline for a response [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-11-11]. 10:56:21 raphael - is it possible for you to come to our room? 10:56:42 would help to clarify things in a second i guess 10:57:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:57:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html florian_pa 10:57:13 @Raphael: I wanted to integrate your work on the ontology document into my version, so we would have 2 up to date versions of the ontology document to choose from 10:57:27 Veronique, can you join on tele bridge now? 10:57:39 sure 10:57:41 yes, please join and raphael, please come to our room 10:59:12 I cannot join you, I'm in the AC Room 10:59:21 ok 10:59:22 What's the problem with CVS? 10:59:29 What CVS does NOT contain the latest version? 10:59:30 veronique has no working cvs 10:59:42 and the edits forked somehow 10:59:52 It is just silly to edit document offline and do merge manually, that why we have tools for this 11:00:09 it?s like it is now 11:00:26 then I suggest to fix Veronique's CVS so that she can use it ... and start back from the latest version in the repo 11:00:39 ... that cannot be completed, seriously! 11:00:47 s/completed/complicted 11:00:54 s/complicted/complicated 11:03:40 s/What CVS does/Why CVS does 11:03:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 11:07:05 The version time stamped on 22/10/2010 of mediaont-1.0.xml is it a version I can work on, or someone would push a new version? 11:07:27 Have you try to a cvs merge with this version and whatever versions you have sent by email? 11:10:40 i have ust proposed this raphael 11:10:46 s/ust/just 11:12:05 great, thanks Florian 11:12:59 Thierry: i will merge the two version using cvs 11:13:58 Give me a heads up when it is done as I would like to complete my action, overdued 11:15:13 i will tell you raphael 11:15:21 we will do it right after lunch 11:15:32 LUNCH BREAK 11:16:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 11:17:28 wonsuk has left #mediaann 11:20:10 SGondo has joined #mediaann 11:22:47 SGondo has joined #mediaann 12:16:46 guillaume has joined #mediaann 12:18:34 guillaume has joined #mediaann 12:28:46 wbailer has joined #mediaann 12:29:18 pchampin has joined #mediaann 12:35:09 florian_pa has joined #mediaann 12:42:49 raphael has joined #mediaann 12:46:54 wonsuk has joined #mediaann 12:50:54 wbailer has joined #mediaann 12:53:44 SGondo has joined #mediaann 13:01:34 @Raphael: I don't have a problem for accessing CSV 13:05:25 Team_(mediaann)09:00Z has been moved to #dap by dom 13:06:19 dsinger has joined #mediaann 13:06:21 thanks 13:11:03 merged ontology doc : http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html 13:12:18 Vero, the LC version is on a different folder, no risk of clash, don't get your comment 13:12:41 .. the LC version is frozen in TR/ space, we are talking about editor's draft in dev.w3.org 13:15:43 dsinger has joined #mediaann 13:17:48 wbailer has joined #mediaann 13:20:22 @Rapahel: Wonsuk was feeling that the version that I proposed was too different from the version that the LC commenters had seen for their reviews and he was thinking that it was a bad procedure to have "drastic" changes in that stage of the document, so I asked for a feedback from the group 13:20:50 ... it's not about a "physical" version clash that I was worried 13:21:36 ... anyway, the new version looks good and clear, to me. 13:25:02 raphael has joined #mediaann 13:25:07 Zakim has left #mediaann 13:27:35 pchampin has joined #mediaann 13:28:56 zakim does just the bridge, rrsagent the minutes 13:29:12 you need rrsagent to get the minutes 13:29:38 SGondo has joined #mediaann 13:30:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:30:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html florian_pa 13:31:43 wbailer has joined #mediaann 13:31:51 Zakim has joined #mediaann 13:32:01 zakim, this is CONF1 13:32:01 ok, wbailer; that matches Team_(mediaann)09:00Z 13:38:18 yannick has joined #mediaann 13:48:36 wbailer has joined #mediaann 13:55:53 joakim_ has joined #mediaann 14:01:00 Kangchan has joined #mediaann 14:14:25 wbailer has joined #mediaann 14:20:04 http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/ 14:20:23 http://dev.twitter.com/doc/get/search 14:23:05 action: wonsuk/werner to check if comment 2389 is in the document 14:23:05 Sorry, couldn't find user - wonsuk/werner 14:23:27 action: wonsuk to check if comment 2389 is in the document 14:23:27 Created ACTION-328 - Check if comment 2389 is in the document [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-11-11]. 14:23:32 action: werner to check if comment 2389 is in the document 14:23:32 Created ACTION-329 - Check if comment 2389 is in the document [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-11-11]. 14:24:09 action: tobias to check if comment 2398 is in the document 14:24:09 Created ACTION-330 - Check if comment 2398 is in the document [on Tobias Bürger - due 2010-11-11]. 14:24:13 action: florian to check if comment 2398 is in the document 14:24:13 Created ACTION-331 - Check if comment 2398 is in the document [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-11-11]. 14:24:32 action: joakim to check if comment 2403 is in the document 14:24:32 Created ACTION-332 - Check if comment 2403 is in the document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-11]. 14:24:37 action: thierry to check if comment 2403 is in the document 14:24:38 Created ACTION-333 - Check if comment 2403 is in the document [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-11-11]. 14:24:51 action: daniel to check if comment 2404 is in the document 14:24:51 Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel 14:25:14 action: spark3 to check if comment 2403 is in the document 14:25:14 Created ACTION-334 - Check if comment 2403 is in the document [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2010-11-11]. 14:25:39 action: pchampin to check if comment 2404 is in the document 14:25:39 Created ACTION-335 - Check if comment 2404 is in the document [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2010-11-11]. 14:27:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:27:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer 14:27:36 action: jean-pierre to check if comment 2405 is in the document 14:27:36 Created ACTION-336 - Check if comment 2405 is in the document [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2010-11-11]. 14:27:46 action: wonsuk to check if comment 2405 is in the document 14:27:46 Created ACTION-337 - Check if comment 2405 is in the document [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-11-11]. 14:28:20 action: wbailer to check if comment 2411 is in the document 14:28:20 Created ACTION-338 - Check if comment 2411 is in the document [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-11-11]. 14:28:33 action: tobias to check if comment 2411 is in the document 14:28:34 Created ACTION-339 - Check if comment 2411 is in the document [on Tobias Bürger - due 2010-11-11]. 14:28:47 action: florian to check if comment 2417 is in the document 14:28:47 Created ACTION-340 - Check if comment 2417 is in the document [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-11-11]. 14:28:54 action: joakim to check if comment 2417 is in the document 14:28:54 Created ACTION-341 - Check if comment 2417 is in the document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-11]. 14:29:11 action: thierry to check if comment 2418 is in the document 14:29:11 Created ACTION-342 - Check if comment 2418 is in the document [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-11-11]. 14:29:18 action: spark3 to check if comment 2418 is in the document 14:29:18 Created ACTION-343 - Check if comment 2418 is in the document [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2010-11-11]. 14:29:49 action: veronique to check if comment 2394 is in the document 14:29:49 Sorry, couldn't find user - veronique 14:29:57 action: vero to check if comment 2394 is in the document 14:29:57 Sorry, couldn't find user - vero 14:30:04 vmalaise 14:30:11 action: vmalaise to check if comment 2394 is in the document 14:30:11 Sorry, couldn't find user - vmalaise 14:31:20 action: chris to check if comment 2394 is in the document 14:31:21 Created ACTION-345 - Check if comment 2394 is in the document [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-11]. 14:31:39 action: chris to check if comment 2410 is in the document 14:31:39 Created ACTION-346 - Check if comment 2410 is in the document [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-11-11]. 14:32:43 action: jean-pierre to check if comment 2419 is in the document 14:32:43 Created ACTION-348 - Check if comment 2419 is in the document [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2010-11-11]. 14:32:48 action: pchampin to check if comment 2419 is in the document 14:32:48 Created ACTION-349 - Check if comment 2419 is in the document [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2010-11-11]. 14:34:42 tmichel has joined #mediaann 14:40:23 restaurant for tonight 'Brasserie Bratteaux" 1 place Jules Ferry 04 72 74 03 98 14:41:36 to go there from here take Bus "C1" in the back of this building. It is a 5-10 minutes ride. 14:41:43 Vero has joined #mediaann 14:48:15 zakim, space for 5 tomorrow at 8:00 Z for 540 minutes? 14:48:18 ok, tmichel; conference Team_(mediaann)08:00Z scheduled with code 26634 (CONF4) tomorrow at 08:00Z for 540 minutes until 1700Z 15:05:22 freedom has joined #mediaann 15:05:47 pchampin has joined #mediaann 15:14:01 wbailer has joined #mediaann 15:14:24 yep 15:14:28 florian_pa has joined #mediaann 15:14:50 tobias has joined #mediaann 15:16:20 yannick has joined #mediaann 15:17:12 scribe: pchampin 15:17:36 Jean-Pierre: we just had a working session on the RDF ontology with Tobias, Yannick and Pierre-Antoine 15:17:48 2 main discussions: about Rating and TargetAudience 15:18:56 both represented by resources, representing the *act* of setting a ratin/target audience 15:19:21 Joakim: as Chris just dialled in, we switch to the API discussion 15:19:40 Werner: we discussed with Doug about his comments at the coffee break 15:20:07 we tried to clarify that there was really just *one* interface in the API, 15:20:29 the other "interfaces" (in WebIDL terminology) are just to described the returned data 15:20:55 The other remark was that it looked like a web service API tweaked into a client API 15:21:01 too big type hierarchy 15:21:33 his idea: more generic return object (which we already have as a supertype), but without specializing it 15:21:46 would make it easier to query several properties at once 15:22:15 other point: he think it is crucial to have a browser implementation 15:22:30 we should talk with them 15:23:07 Joakim: it is a remark that I have had : "it would be cool if you returned a json object" 15:23:35 Werner: but we *do* return json objects; but javascript people may have difficulties to see that in the WebIDL definitions 15:24:00 Joakim: would it be possible to quickly make those changes? 15:24:28 Florian: we should present separately "real" interfaces from interfaces representing return values 15:25:10 Wonsuk: in the contact API, you can select the *fields* that will be returned by an API call 15:25:19 e.g. "I only want the telephone number" 15:26:12 Another thing is about error codes 15:26:57 in asynchronous APIs, you use an error-code function to get the error code when you want 15:27:12 (pchampin not sure he is getting everything here) 15:27:18 we have this now in the api doc also 15:28:02 Wonsuk: also suggest a one-all method to get all the metadata 15:28:20 Werner: we could simplify things by just keeping MediaAnnotation as return type 15:28:39 and putting specific attributes in it depending on the method called 15:28:50 Joakim: would also work for the server-side solution 15:30:27 Pchampin: think it is more a cultural problem that a technical problem 15:30:40 but a problem nevertheless, that we have to address 15:31:32 if we specified the return type in the same section as the method, it might be better understood 15:31:59 Chris: I also think this is mostly a misunderstanding about "interfaces" 15:32:10 either we explain it better in the document 15:32:30 so you want the generic MediaAnnotation interface have a longitude,id,role,date,value,maximum,... attributes? 15:32:48 * thanks chris for scribing better than I would have done :) 15:33:38 Werner: by explaining what interface means, we risk to emphasize even more on the term interface 15:33:56 which is what seems to scare people off 15:34:28 Chris: the document looks too complex to web developers 15:34:46 but they only have complains about the complexity, no solution 15:35:04 and we deal with a complex problem, so the document is bound to be complex 15:35:45 SGondo has joined #mediaann 15:36:17 Werner: a generic return type would work for 80% of the use cases 15:36:33 Joakim: what about a mini-TF to get around this in the next 7-10 days 15:36:43 Florian: may be we should contact browser vendors? 15:36:51 Joakim: this would take 6 more months! 15:37:08 Florian: we can try to reach them while continuing our work 15:37:22 and take any feedback into account if we get some 15:38:13 Werner: we don't want to spend much time implementing the tests and then change the API 15:38:33 What about mixing the approaches 15:39:27 Having a first part with just a generic return type, then a second part for more complex scenarios 15:39:35 But that some people may ignore 15:39:42 Chris: could do that, but it is not elegant... 15:44:00 Pchampin: a solution would be to put all the return type "interfaces" down in the document, as an annex 15:44:15 Werner: then they should all have at least 'type' and 'value' 15:44:40 so that they are self-sufficient 15:44:53 Joakim: who is in favour of contacting the browser vendors 15:44:56 ? 15:45:40 Thierry: don't think we should. We are in trouble if they don't like our work either way. 15:46:11 Florian: do we think we must make/have a browser implementation? 15:46:32 Chris: if Doug says that we should, I think we should. 15:47:56 Florian: I think we need at least feedback on how to do a browser implementation. 15:47:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html florian_pa 15:48:07 just to let you know that you might be under the fire of HTML5 from now on :-) People here finally get aware of the Media Annotations API spec, and will comment, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Nov/0060.html 15:48:10 Chris: what exactly would be a browser implementation? Plugin? 15:48:34 Werner: a plugin could be an intermediate step, but ultimately, that would be a native support for the API. 15:48:53 excellent news raphael 15:49:33 wbailer has joined #mediaann 15:49:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:49:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer 15:51:17 Pchampin: so browser vendors have been contacted after all :) 15:53:28 action to joakim_ to contact browser vendors to get their feedback 15:53:28 Sorry, couldn't find user - to 15:53:58 action joakim_ to contact browser vendors to get their feedback 15:53:58 Sorry, couldn't find user - joakim_ 15:54:13 action joakim to contact browser vendors to get their feedback 15:54:13 Created ACTION-350 - Contact browser vendors to get their feedback [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-11-11]. 15:55:48 * pchampin we ack that, Chris 15:56:05 In order to help Joakim: contact Frank Olivier (microsoft), Chris Double (Mozilla), Eric Carlson (Apple), Philip (Opera) + Macjek + Paul Cotton + Sam Ruby and cc Mike Smith and Philippe Le Hegaret 15:56:22 ... do not forget the cross post HTML5 + WHAtWG mailling list 15:57:22 please also have a look at my initial responses to robin's comments that I sent on the mailing list (subject: [todo] Response to your LC Comment -2419 on Media API spec) 15:57:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:57:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer 15:57:41 action to re-organize the API document so that the return type interfaces are appear in a later section 15:57:41 Sorry, couldn't find user - to 15:58:37 action someone to re-organize the API document so that the return type interfaces are appear in a later section 15:58:37 Sorry, couldn't find user - someone 16:00:10 SGondo has joined #mediaann 16:00:28 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Nov/0015.html 16:01:31 Chris, Werner: discuss about the response to Robin, about sychronous vs. asynchronous APIs 16:03:01 Joakim: now back to the RDF ontology... 16:03:38 Jean-Pierre: Rating and TargetAudience are now classes with a number of properties 16:05:05 we notices that the ontology and API are inconsistent: ratingValue is a float in the ontology, a short integer in the API 16:05:16 tmichel has joined #mediaann 16:05:34 plus in the CableLab mapping table, rating is a string 16:06:17 Another discussion we had was about allowing both URI and String as property value. 16:07:27 We decided that those properties are ObjectProperty, 16:07:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-mediaann-minutes.html florian_pa 16:07:45 and use a blank node with a rdfs:label in the case only a string is available 16:07:53 We also require a change in the ontology: 16:08:08 the target audience "issuer" should be changed to "scheme" 16:08:17 because the same issuer can issue several schemes 16:08:33 (e.g. one for parental guidance, one for regions) 16:08:46 Joakim: would the RDF ontology be normative? 16:09:14 Jean-Pierre: yes 16:09:31 the only remaining thing to do is to review all the properties and introduce inverse properties when required 16:09:47 Joakim: what kind of schema is it? 16:09:53