IRC log of ua on 2010-10-14

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Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG

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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 14 October 2010

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 54 minutes

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Topic, User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Weekly Telecon 2010-10-14 at 1700h UTC

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Agenda+ HTML 5 and keyboard access

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Agenda+ update: HTML5 Bug 10709: @title should be a required attribute for FRAME and IFRAME in HTML5 from Gregory J. Rosmaita http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0019.html

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Agenda+ Suggested rewrite of 3.7 (Provide volume configuration) from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0015.html

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Agenda+ Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html

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Agenda+ DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/

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Agenda+ November F2F

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Agenda+ Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html

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Agenda+ Action Item Review

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zakim, agenda?

16:30:58 [Zakim]

I see 11 items remaining on the agenda:

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3. Are Smart Phone Apps user agents? [from jallan]

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4. Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html [from jallan]

16:31:04 [Zakim]

7. Browser Implementations [from jallan]

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8. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

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9. update: HTML5 Bug 10709: @title should be a required attribute for FRAME and IFRAME in HTML5 from Gregory J. Rosmaita

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... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0019.html [from kford]

16:31:13 [Zakim]

10. Suggested rewrite of 3.7 (Provide volume configuration) from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0015.html [from kford]

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11. Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html [from kford]

16:31:20 [Zakim]

12. DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/ [from kford]

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13. November F2F [from kford]

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14. Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html [from kford]

16:31:27 [Zakim]

15. Action Item Review [from kford]

16:33:06 [kford]

zakim, delete item 4

16:33:06 [Zakim]

agendum 4, Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html, dropped

16:34:38 [JAllan]

I think so, perhaps we didn't close them, and zakim carried them forward

16:34:59 [kford]

zakim, delete item 3

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agendum 3, Are Smart Phone Apps user agents?, dropped

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zakim, delete item 7

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agendum 7, Browser Implementations, dropped

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zakim, renumber agenda

16:35:51 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'renumber agenda', kford

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zakim, agenda?

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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:

16:36:02 [JAllan]

i haven't a clue

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8. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

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9. update: HTML5 Bug 10709: @title should be a required attribute for FRAME and IFRAME in HTML5 from Gregory J. Rosmaita

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... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0019.html [from kford]

16:36:11 [Zakim]

10. Suggested rewrite of 3.7 (Provide volume configuration) from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0015.html [from kford]

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11. Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html [from kford]

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12. DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/ [from kford]

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13. November F2F [from kford]

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14. Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html [from kford]

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zakim, help

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15. Action Item Review [from kford]

16:36:25 [Zakim]

Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.

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Some of the commands I know are:

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xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx

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if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted

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xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx

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I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx

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xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group

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xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx

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who's here? - lists the participants on the phone

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who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted

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mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)

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unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#

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is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present

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list conferences - reports the active conferences

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this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx

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excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel

16:37:02 [Zakim]

I last learned something new on $Date: 2010/03/15 18:49:04 $

16:40:09 [JAllan]

kelly, just say "agenda order is " and put in the items in the order you want to present them (5, 3, 1, 2, 4) and it will reorder them 5 as 1 etc.

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zakim, please clear agenda

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agenda cleared

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Agenda+ HTML 5 and keyboard access

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Agenda+ update: HTML5 Bug 10709: @title should be a required attribute for FRAME and IFRAME in HTML5 from Gregory J. Rosmaita http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0019.html

16:41:54 [kford]

Agenda+ Suggested rewrite of 3.7 (Provide volume configuration) from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0015.html

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Agenda+ Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html

16:41:57 [kford]

Agenda+ DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/

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Agenda+ November F2F

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Agenda+ Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html

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Agenda+ Action Item Review

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zakim, save agenda

16:42:47 [Zakim]

ok, kford, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-ua-agenda.rdf

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rrsagent, amke minutes

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'amke minutes', kford. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-ua-minutes.html kford

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Chair: Kelly_Ford_Jim_Allan

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Zakim, code?

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the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sharper

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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started

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+Greg

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+Jeanne

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keep trying, there are system problems

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+[Microsoft]

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zakim, kford is microsoft

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sorry, kford, I do not recognize a party named 'kford'

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\zakim, microsoft is kford

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+jallan

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zakim, microsoft is kford

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+kford; got it

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+??P1

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zakim, ??P1 is sharper

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+sharper; got it

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scribe: jallan

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zakim, agenda ?

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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

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2. update: HTML5 Bug 10709: @title should be a required attribute for FRAME and IFRAME in HTML5 from Gregory J. Rosmaita

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... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0019.html [from kford]

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3. Suggested rewrite of 3.7 (Provide volume configuration) from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0015.html [from kford]

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4. Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html [from kford]

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5. DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/ [from kford]

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6. November F2F [from kford]

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7. Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html [from kford]

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8. Action Item Review [from kford]

17:07:20 [JAllan]

zakim, open item 3

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agendum 3. "Suggested rewrite of 3.7 (Provide volume configuration) from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0015.html" taken up [from kford]

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+[IPcaller]

17:08:43 [jeanne]

zakim, agenda order is 3, 1, 2

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ok, jeanne

17:09:33 [JAllan]

zakim, IPcaller is MHakkenin

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+MHakkenin; got it

17:12:43 [Greg]

Here's my suggested rewrite from email:

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Guideline 3.7 Provide volume control.

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Upshot: Let users adjust the volume of each audio track relative to the system volume, but respect global mute settings by default (3.7.1).

17:12:48 [Greg]

3.7.1 Audio Volume Control:* The user can /independently/ adjust the volume of all audio tracks <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-audio-track> the user agent renders, /relative/ to the global volume level set through operating environment <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100920/Overview.html#def-operating-environment> mechanisms. However, the user...

17:12:49 [Greg]

...agent should not override a global option that says audio should be muted unless this is optional, not enabled by default, and the user is cautioned as to its implications. [Alternate wording: /However, if audio is muted as the global level the user agent should not override this unless the behavior is optional, not enabled by default, and the user is cautioned as to its implications.]...

17:12:51 [Greg]

...(Level A)

17:13:16 [JAllan]

mh: likes rewrite, questions alert mechanism

17:14:01 [Greg]

By cautioning the user, I was imagining that the dialog box with a check box to override the default behavior could have static text cautioning the user, OR the user agent could prompt the user for confirmation when they try to turn on the overriding.

17:15:04 [JAllan]

kf: any SC for synthesized speech. is this only about rendered speech, and not adjusting audio for talking UA

17:15:25 [JAllan]

gl: nothing in the SC that says only rendered

17:15:50 [JAllan]

mh, kf: but 'track' implies rendered audio.

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kf: as long as we have SC for synthesizers, combining makes sense.

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ja: confirms that 3.8 covers synthesized speech.

17:18:10 [JAllan]

gl: software can't set volume independently, only relative to OS volume level.

17:18:51 [JAllan]

kf: 3.7 is about rendered content (even audio file containing synthesized speech)

17:19:32 [JAllan]

kf: poll combine 3.7.1 and 2

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all: yes

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js: in toto a bit confusing, need to reword, or reorder the examples

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-sharper

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zakim, code?

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the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sharper

17:21:38 [JAllan]

js: likes volume control vs volume configuration

17:21:44 [JAllan]

ja: +1

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+??P6

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zakim, ??P6 is really Jan

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+Jan; got it

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+??P7

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zakim, ??P7 is sharper

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+sharper; got it

17:23:15 [JAllan]

propose wording:

17:24:32 [jeanne]

3.7.1 Audio Volume Control:* The user can /independently/ adjust the volume of all audio tracks <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-audio-track> the user agent renders, /relative /to the global volume level set through operating environment <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100920/Overview.html#def-operating-environment> mechanisms. However, if audio is

17:24:32 [jeanne]

muted as the global level the user agent should not override this unless the behavior is optional, not enabled by default, and the user is cautioned as to its implications. (e.g. the alarm clock application on a mobile device has an option to play the alarm even if the system is muted, provided the check box is normally unchecked and is accompanied by text cautioning the user about this behavior.

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(Level A)*

17:24:57 [kford]

Action: kford to provided updated text for implementing of combined 3.7.1 and 3.7.2

17:24:57 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-455 - Provided updated text for implementing of combined 3.7.1 and 3.7.2 [on Kelly Ford - due 2010-10-21].

17:25:48 [JAllan]

jr: wording for 3.7.1 seems a bit long

17:25:51 [jeanne]

action: jeanne to update 3.7.1 with the text above - Audio Volume Control

17:25:52 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-456 - Update 3.7.1 with the text above - Audio Volume Control [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-10-21].

17:26:37 [JAllan]

gl: note at end was added, so readers would not have to read implementing document to understand SC

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jr: this is a lot to parse

17:28:01 [Greg]

Could shorten the parenthetical example to read only "(e.g. an alarm clock application has an option to play the alarm even if the system is muted)."

17:29:42 [JAllan]

jr: if the global volume level is set to mute, then independently setting volume level above mute requires user confirmation or warning

17:30:29 [JAllan]

gl: could flesh out in the implementation (more examples)

17:32:16 [JAllan]

discussion of master control, and independent volume control

17:32:59 [JAllan]

kf: accessibility - user can set volumes, up to the OS as to implementation

17:34:07 [JAllan]

gl: add content from original email into implementation doc. would that help

17:36:00 [JAllan]

kf: exception is longer than the rule.

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jr: what is the accessibility issue

17:38:00 [kford]

kford incorporate percentage volume concept in example.

17:38:05 [JAllan]

kf: JS to use discretion for wording of new 3.7.1, kf will add volume/mute info to examples

17:38:17 [kford]

zakim, close item 3

17:38:17 [Zakim]

agendum 3, Suggested rewrite of 3.7 (Provide volume configuration) from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0015.html, closed

17:38:20 [Zakim]

I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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1. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

17:38:26 [JAllan]

scribenick: jallan

17:38:58 [kford]

zakim, take up item 4

17:38:58 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html" taken up [from kford]

17:41:26 [Greg]

Here is one of the two proposed wordings from the email:

17:41:28 [Greg]

3.5.1 Highlighted items: The user has the option to highlight the following classes of information so that each is uniquely distinguished:

17:41:29 [Greg]

* (a) selection,

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* (b) content focus,

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* (c) recognized enabled elements, and

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* (d) recently visited links.

17:41:35 [Greg]

The highlighting options (with the same configurable range as the operating environment's conventional selection utilities) include at least (Level A):

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* (a) foreground colors,

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* (b) background colors, and

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* (c) outline (with configurable color and width).

17:43:25 [Greg]

The changes from the current wording are (a) combining 3.5.2 into 3.5.1, and (b) changing the "input focus" attribute to "outline".

17:44:28 [Greg]

The email also included a version which did NOT combine 3.5.2 into 3.5.1, instead revising 3.5.2 to refer explicitly to 3.5.1, as:

17:44:29 [Greg]

3.5.2 Highlighting options: When complying with 3.5.1, the highlighting options (with the same configurable range as the operating environment's conventional selection utilities) include at least (Level A):

17:44:31 [Greg]

* (a) foreground colors,

17:44:32 [Greg]

* (b) background colors, and

17:44:34 [Greg]

* (c) outline (with configurable color and width).

17:45:45 [JAllan]

a good article on focus control by Patrick Lauke http://24ways.org/2009/dont-lose-your-focus

17:46:17 [JAllan]

jr: want to keep separate with reference to 3.5.1

17:46:45 [JAllan]

kf: likes separate

17:46:51 [JAllan]

mh: +1

17:46:55 [JAllan]

ja: +1

17:47:06 [JAllan]

gl: +1

17:48:17 [Greg]

In my latest email I gave three possible wordings for the outline bullet item:

17:48:18 [JAllan]

proposed wording for 3.5.1 & 2

17:48:19 [Greg]

* "outline (with configurable color and width)", or

17:48:20 [Greg]

* "outline (with configurable color and width, e.g. the CSS outline attribute)", or

17:48:22 [Greg]

* "outline (with configurable width and color, including inversion)"

17:50:20 [JAllan]

*3.5.1 Highlighted items:* The user has the option to highlight <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-highlight> the following classes of information so that each is uniquely distinguished. (Level A):

17:50:21 [JAllan]

* *(a) selection*,

17:50:23 [JAllan]

* *(b) content focus*,

17:50:24 [JAllan]

* *(c) recognized <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-recognize> enabled elements*, and

17:50:26 [JAllan]

* *(d) recently visited links*.

17:50:27 [JAllan]

*3.5.2 Highlighting options:* When complying with 3.5.1, the highlighting options (with the same configurable range as the operating environment's <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-operating-environment> conventional selection utilities) include at least (Level A):

17:50:29 [JAllan]

* *(a) foreground colors*,

17:50:31 [JAllan]

* *(b) background colors*, and

17:50:33 [JAllan]

* *(c) "outline (with configurable color and width, e.g. the CSS outline attribute)"

17:50:38 [jeanne]

action: jeanne to combine 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 using the text above

17:50:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-457 - Combine 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 using the text above [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-10-21].

17:50:44 [Greg]

The CSS outline attribute covers color (including inversion), width, style (solid, dashed, etc.). Do we want to require all of those, or just color and width?

17:51:43 [kford]

JAllan: If css chnages we don't want to have our item become outdated.

17:52:27 [JAllan]

jr: may be other UA (flash) so may be other ways to 'outline' something

17:53:47 [JAllan]

gl: advocates for inversion and animation for highly visible focus

17:54:00 [kford]

+1

17:54:01 [Greg]

The only way to get an outline that is guaranteed to be visible is to use inversion, and even better with inversion and animation (e.g. the original marching ants).

17:54:13 [JAllan]

jr: agree with adding inversion

17:54:17 [JAllan]

ja: +1

17:55:01 [Greg]

"outline (with configurable width and color, including inversion)"

17:55:40 [Zakim]

-Jeanne

17:56:45 [JAllan]

close action-457

17:56:45 [trackbot]

ACTION-457 Update 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 using the text above closed

17:57:09 [kford]

zakim, agenda+

17:57:19 [kford]

zakim, agenda?

17:57:19 [Zakim]

I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:

17:57:20 [Zakim]

1. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

17:57:22 [Zakim]

2. update: HTML5 Bug 10709: @title should be a required attribute for FRAME and IFRAME in HTML5 from Gregory J. Rosmaita

17:57:26 [Zakim]

... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0019.html [from kford]

17:57:29 [Zakim]

4. Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html [from kford]

17:57:33 [Zakim]

5. DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/ [from kford]

17:57:35 [Zakim]

6. November F2F [from kford]

17:57:37 [Zakim]

7. Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html [from kford]

17:57:39 [Zakim]

8. Action Item Review [from kford]

17:57:43 [JAllan]

action: JS to update 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 using >*3.5.1 Highlighted items:* The user has the option to highlight <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-highlight> the following classes of information so that each is uniquely distinguished. (Level A):

17:57:43 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-458 - Update 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 using >*3.5.1 Highlighted items:* The user has the option to highlight <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-highlight> the following classes of information so that each is uniquely distinguished. (Level A): [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-10-21].

17:57:44 [JAllan]

* *(a) selection*,

17:57:46 [JAllan]

* *(b) content focus*,

17:57:48 [JAllan]

* *(c) recognized <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-recognize> enabled elements*, and

17:57:50 [JAllan]

* *(d) recently visited links*.

17:57:51 [JAllan]

*3.5.2 Highlighting options:* When complying with 3.5.1, the highlighting options (with the same configurable range as the operating environment's <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100920/#def-operating-environment> conventional selection utilities) include at least (Level A):

17:57:53 [JAllan]

* *(a) foreground colors*,

17:57:54 [JAllan]

* *(b) background colors*, and

17:57:56 [JAllan]

* *(c) outline (with configurable width and color, including inversion)

17:58:15 [JAllan]

zakim, close item 4

17:58:15 [Zakim]

agendum 4, Problems with 3.5.2 from Greg Lowney http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0011.html, closed

17:58:17 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

17:58:18 [Zakim]

1. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

17:58:27 [kford]

zakim, take up item 5

17:58:27 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/" taken up [from kford]

17:58:53 [JAllan]

zakim, open item 5

17:58:53 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/" taken up [from kford]

18:00:10 [kford]

JA: I looked at this spec. Lots of stuff in there. Kind of wish Gregory was here because I think he has some serious concerns.

18:00:31 [kford]

JA: Events on tab key for example. What to do in an edit box.

18:00:51 [kford]

JA: loads of mouse events that have cancel but for some keyboard events unable to cancel.

18:01:05 [kford]

JA: How do you cancel a key down for example?

18:03:38 [kford]

Kelly and Jim to follow up with Gregory on his concerns. PF also now taking part of this up.

18:03:46 [kford]

zakim, close item 5

18:03:46 [Zakim]

agendum 5, DOM3 Review - http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20100907/, closed

18:03:48 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

18:03:49 [Zakim]

1. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

18:04:09 [kford]

zakim, take up item 6

18:04:09 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "November F2F" taken up [from kford]

18:04:50 [JAllan]

kf: who will attend F2

18:06:05 [JAllan]

kf: kim, gregL, jeanne, jim, mark, jan (tentatively), simon (some of the time)

18:06:23 [JAllan]

... regrets PatrickL

18:08:17 [JAllan]

kf: propose starting 7:30 PST

18:08:25 [JAllan]

all +1

18:08:48 [JAllan]

kf: shut down at 3 PST

18:11:23 [JAllan]

discussion of phone, skype, video

18:11:31 [kford]

zakim, close item 6

18:11:31 [Zakim]

agendum 6, November F2F, closed

18:11:32 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

18:11:33 [Zakim]

1. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

18:11:43 [kford]

zakim, agenda?

18:11:43 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:

18:11:44 [Zakim]

1. HTML 5 and keyboard access [from kford]

18:11:45 [Zakim]

2. update: HTML5 Bug 10709: @title should be a required attribute for FRAME and IFRAME in HTML5 from Gregory J. Rosmaita

18:11:48 [Zakim]

... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0019.html [from kford]

18:11:49 [Zakim]

7. Media Review followup - possible additions to UAAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0002.html [from kford]

18:11:52 [Zakim]

8. Action Item Review [from kford]

18:11:52 [Zakim]

-MHakkenin

18:13:58 [Zakim]

-Jan

18:14:13 [JAllan]

rrsagent, make minutes

18:14:13 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-ua-minutes.html JAllan

18:14:28 [Zakim]

-Greg

18:17:35 [sharper]

sharper has left #ua

18:21:53 [Zakim]

-sharper

18:27:07 [Zakim]

-kford

18:27:16 [Zakim]

-jallan

18:27:17 [Zakim]

WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Greg, Jeanne, jallan, kford, sharper, MHakkenin, Jan