IRC log of svg on 2010-10-07
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()4:00PM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 07 October 2010
- 20:02:05 [ChrisL]
- anthony, are you in a position to quickly turn the crank to update the test suite status?
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- +??P9
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- +[Microsoft]
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- Zakim, ??P9 is me
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- +ed; got it
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- +??P10
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- Zakim, ??P10 is me
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- +anthony; got it
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- +ChrisL
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- Zakim, who's here?
- 20:04:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ed, [Microsoft], anthony, ChrisL
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- On IRC I see pdengler, anthony, anthony_work, tbah, ed, Zakim, RRSAgent, heycam, ChrisL, f1lt3r, jwatt, shepazu, trackbot, fantasai, ed_work
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- + +39.537.7.aaaa
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- zakim +39 is tbah
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- zakim, +39 is tbah
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- +tbah; got it
- 20:06:14 [pdengler]
- scribeNick: pdengler
- 20:06:20 [pdengler]
- topic: TPAC Issues
- 20:06:23 [Zakim]
- +Shepazu
- 20:06:37 [pdengler]
- ed: Action: Setting up meeting with CSS Group
- 20:06:51 [pdengler]
- ed: Will there be a session for publicFX?
- 20:07:02 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: Yes, there will be a meeting for that task force
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- ChrisL: No time yet established
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- ChrisL: Will we need a phone
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- anthony: I will be attending
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- ed: Will Tav be dialing in?
- 20:08:05 [anthony]
- s/I will be attending/chance I'll be attending/
- 20:08:39 [pdengler]
- pdengler: what are our options for getting a phone?
- 20:08:48 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: I've asked for a regular call in phone
- 20:09:07 [ChrisL]
- a polycom bridge thing
- 20:09:11 [pdengler]
- ed: Got an email from Alex asking to fill out the form and asking whether or not we need a flip cord
- 20:09:43 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: I already asked for this
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- already asked for a polycom phone and a flip chart
- 20:11:03 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: they are allocating rooms
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- pdengler: If I have payed have i regesitered?
- 20:12:53 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: Not necessarily
- 20:13:17 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#Svg
- 20:13:30 [ChrisL]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
- 20:13:34 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration
- 20:14:49 [pdengler]
- shepazu: that's 6 of us if Tony can make it
- 20:15:14 [pdengler]
- pdengler: (galaga sounds)
- 20:15:19 [ChrisL]
- zakim who is making noise?
- 20:15:45 [shepazu]
- Zakim, who's noisy?
- 20:15:55 [Zakim]
- shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (11%), anthony (9%), ChrisL (9%)
- 20:16:24 [shepazu]
- Zakim, who's noisy?
- 20:16:36 [Zakim]
- shepazu, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ed (3%), anthony (39%), Shepazu (40%)
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- Zakim, who's noisy?
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- shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ed (31%), Shepazu (49%)
- 20:18:36 [pdengler]
- ed: Any items that we want on the agenda for TPAC
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- ChrisL: Are we expected to have implementations ready by then?
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- ed: I wanted that as another topic
- 20:19:13 [pdengler]
- ed: Unless we have the report it is not going to be done at the time, and it depends upon how many tests there are
- 20:20:02 [pdengler]
- pdengler: We discussed that we wouldn't get this done mostly because we want to get the microsoft tests reviewed and the analysis about potential name chages from Microsoft for some of themn
- 20:20:18 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: I've done 'de-red-ding' (removing red)
- 20:20:45 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: Which is why I was asking Anthony to run the status regen, but I am basically down to basic shapes
- 20:21:00 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: I wanted to get a better handle on how we were doing
- 20:21:31 [pdengler]
- anthony: I went through the test suite to generate the XML impelementation report file and some just don't have approval
- 20:21:40 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: I think there are more now than there were yesterday
- 20:21:52 [pdengler]
- anthony: There were only 300 or so tests that had been accepted
- 20:22:57 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: last one that was run was a month ago
- 20:23:26 [pdengler]
- ed: When can we have then, the full list of tests?
- 20:23:34 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: I am 3/4 done.
- 20:23:47 [pdengler]
- pdengler: Does that include the ones Microsoft submitted?
- 20:23:56 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: No, mine was for the previous, older ones
- 20:24:25 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: We should talk about the recent tests and go through those
- 20:26:01 [pdengler]
- pdengler: Last conf call we discussed Microsoft's effort to do an all-up surface review to help modularize the test suite so developers can understand the support for SVG better across impelemntations
- 20:27:59 [ChrisL]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html#
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- anthony: I see 408 tests now
- 20:30:09 [ChrisL]
- s/408/408 accepted/
- 20:30:22 [pdengler]
- ed: I would like to have the template ready to test before TPAC
- 20:30:38 [pdengler]
- What does testing before TPAC mean?
- 20:31:01 [pdengler]
- ed: If we have some preliminary results from some implementations, we can start doing the implementation report
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- ed: we don't expect these to change
- 20:32:21 [pdengler]
- ed: the tests that are already accepted should be tested
- 20:33:15 [shepazu]
- scribeNick: shepazu
- 20:33:17 [shepazu]
- pdengler: I hear what you're saying...
- 20:33:19 [shepazu]
- ... there's a set of tests that we all agree on and are stable
- 20:33:29 [shepazu]
- ... and doug is saying this doesn't preclude us from recategorizing them
- 20:33:38 [ed]
- s/we don't expect these to change/we don't expect the tests that have already been accepted to change, and we can therefore test and rely on those results/
- 20:34:07 [shepazu]
- pdengler: my question is, are we going to publish the results before the recategorization and analysis
- 20:34:20 [shepazu]
- ChrisL: depends on what you mean by publish
- 20:34:35 [shepazu]
- ... we need to get a sense of where we are, to push implementations
- 20:35:06 [shepazu]
- ... this will not be the final implementation report that we publish for transition from CR to PR to Rec
- 20:38:19 [shepazu]
- pdengler: so, with regard to new tests... we would like to submit a few more tests for inclusion in the implementation report
- 20:38:37 [shepazu]
- ChrisL: we are open to reviewing them
- 20:39:01 [shepazu]
- ed: I think they are nice tests, just a matter of resources
- 20:40:21 [shepazu]
- ChrisL: I've reviewed about half of the new MS tests
- 20:40:34 [shepazu]
- ... of the first lot
- 20:42:29 [shepazu]
- ed: I'd like to prioritize the tests relevant to second edition
- 20:43:48 [shepazu]
- pdengler: what was the quality of the tests, ChrisL?
- 20:43:48 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0140.html
- 20:44:10 [shepazu]
- ChrisL: the first tests had some errors, but they have improved over time
- 20:44:20 [shepazu]
- ... most are straightforward
- 20:44:32 [shepazu]
- ... I haven't looked at the more recent batch
- 20:45:05 [shepazu]
- ed: the ones I've seen I had to adapt to the test framework, which is a pita
- 20:45:29 [shepazu]
- pdengler: that's because SVG fonts is in the template
- 20:45:57 [ChrisL]
- which are used for labelling text. its not needed to pass the tests
- 20:46:14 [ChrisL]
- i would expect the svg 2 test suite to use woff fonts
- 20:47:48 [shepazu]
- shepazu: I think we should go through some tests and report errors that make them hard to review, so microsoft can improve conformance to the template
- 20:48:41 [ed]
- some feedback from me on the last batch of tests: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0136.html
- 20:50:23 [pdengler]
- shepazu: We will push through some spot testing (Doug, Chris, maybe Tony) of recently submitted tests on Monday
- 20:51:30 [pdengler]
- pdengler: How about we adjust the tests based on the feedback first (the tests we submitted0
- 20:51:40 [pdengler]
- pdengler: If that is before Monday we will let you know
- 20:53:07 [ChrisL]
- nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'
- 20:53:08 [pdengler]
- pdengler: plan is to start spot testing on Monday
- 20:55:15 [pdengler]
- anthony: I am redoing status report now
- 20:56:03 [pdengler]
- ChrisL: on the subject of implementations, alexdanelo is sending his work so I will run the tests
- 20:56:29 [shepazu]
- s/alexdanelo/alex danilo/
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- pdengler: I have some opinions on backward compat and "promoting" attributes to properties at a high level which I am still working through
- 20:59:07 [shepazu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010OctDec/0013.html
- 21:00:29 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 21:04:03 [ed]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
- 21:08:24 [ed]
- think you need to install Image::Magick (via CPAN)
- 21:10:29 [anthony]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2331
- 21:10:42 [ed]
- topic: ISSUE-2331
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- topic: ISSUE-2353
- 21:13:52 [ChrisL]
- ISSUE-2353?
- 21:13:52 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-2353 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify coordinates for feImage. -- raised
- 21:13:52 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2353
- 21:14:43 [ed]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#FilterPrimitiveSubRegion
- 21:15:00 [ed]
- "the default subregion is 0%,0%,100%,100%, where as a special-case the percentages are relative to the dimensions of the filter region, thus making the the default filter primitive subregion equal to the filter region."
- 21:15:15 [ed]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#feImageElement
- 21:16:15 [anthony]
- Scribe: anthony
- 21:16:40 [anthony]
- TB: The the change regarding that issue is fine
- 21:17:11 [ChrisL]
- issue-2339?
- 21:17:11 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-2339 -- Last Call Comment: definition of azimuth, elevation for feDistantLight -- open
- 21:17:11 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2339
- 21:17:17 [anthony]
- topic: ISSUE-2339
- 21:17:55 [shepazu]
- scribenick: anthony
- 21:18:03 [anthony]
- AG: Hoping to have my investigation finished for the telcon nextweek
- 21:18:33 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/24
- 21:19:04 [anthony]
- ED: That's the list of last call issues
- 21:19:22 [anthony]
- CL: If people let me know when we are in good shape I'll do another update
- 21:19:38 [anthony]
- AG: Might be worth doing an update end of next week
- 21:22:01 [anthony]
- Topic: Public-FX
- 21:22:20 [anthony]
- ED: Noticed that CSS wanted to have premultiplied values for the gradient interpolation
- 21:22:35 [anthony]
- CL: The idea is to get around a grey effect that they didn't like
- 21:22:57 [anthony]
- ... I've made a change to CSS Color which says that transparent gives you transparent black
- 21:23:36 [anthony]
- DS: This touches on the topic before
- 21:23:42 [anthony]
- ... where SVG has a separate opacity
- 21:24:18 [anthony]
- CL: Means that SVG needs to deal with RGBA
- 21:24:35 [anthony]
- ... and it the just need to multiply together
- 21:24:43 [anthony]
- ... it's not too hard for us to add that
- 21:24:56 [anthony]
- ... and we already have the infrustructure to add that
- 21:25:02 [anthony]
- ... Opera already implements that
- 21:25:12 [anthony]
- ED: New version of FF has that as well
- 21:25:40 [ed]
- s/New version of FF/FF since v3.5 IIRC/
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- -ChrisL
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- -ed
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- -tbah
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- -Shepazu
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- -anthony
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- GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were [Microsoft], ed, anthony, ChrisL, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah, Shepazu
- 21:33:28 [anthony]
- trackbot, end telcon
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-irc
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-minutes.html anthony