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14:07:13 <Paolo> http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/
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14:07:46 <mscottm> Tim: We want to discuss the Annotation Ontology (link above from Paolo), which is an open project.
14:08:22 <mscottm> ..We also want to discuss the Annotation Framework, which enables you to curate, modify, and respond to text mined results in RDF.
14:09:20 <mscottm> ..Over to Paolo now.
14:09:57 <mscottm> Paolo: AO an ontology/vocabulary/data model that we use to annotate online documents.
14:11:01 <mscottm> ..AO was made to be used in the Annotation Framework. We tried to make it as big as possible to cover annotations for journal articles or documents on websites that we don't control.
14:11:55 <mscottm> ..AO could also be used for medical reports.
14:12:37 <mscottm> ..Terms can be attached to tags as well as fragments and images.
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14:13:24 <mscottm> ..You can use the ontology to connect all relevant information to a 'claim', especially 'evidence'.
14:14:41 <mscottm> <scribe missed the last bit due to an interruption - feel free to add in>
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14:16:02 <anita> THere are three use cases for our rhetorical document task at http://esw.w3.org/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/RhetoricalStructure - I'd be grateful if we could include these, thanks.
14:16:08 <mscottm> Rob: Would you like to talk about it in terms of particular use cases.
14:16:11 <mscottm> Rob: Would you like to talk about it in terms of particular use cases?
14:16:58 <mscottm> ..It would be great to talk about how to capture from full text and express in ontological terms.
14:17:47 <mscottm> Daniel Rubin: We in the Terminology task force have radiology and pathology reports that would serve well as a use case here.
14:18:09 <anita> Hey Cartic Ramakrishnan from ISI!
14:19:05 <mscottm> Cartic Ramakrishnan from ISI: This approach could be useful for biocuration.
14:20:31 <anita> Here is more on SciKnowMine: https://wiki.birncommunity.org:8443/display/NEWBIRNCC/SciKnowMine
14:20:45 <jodi> http://www.informatics.jax.org/
14:21:16 <jodi> So, triage, and subsequent annotation using text mining. With the potential for human correction in AO.
14:21:23 <mscottm> ..problem is 'document triage' for Mouse Genomics Informatics, whether they contain a novel gene, gene expression, or other subject of interest
14:21:23 <anita> Cartic: in SciKnowMine we do triage of documents
14:21:56 <mscottm> Tim: Let's add these things to the wiki.
14:23:07 <mscottm> What Daniel Rubin was referring to (we've considered using text mining in this use case): http://esw.w3.org/HCLSIG/Terminology/PathRadCorrelation
14:23:36 <anita> Anita: let's link all the use cases to a specific page; Paolo: yes, somewhere on the wiki.
14:24:24 <mscottm> Tim: Interested in a common format for sharing annotations produced from text mining.
14:24:45 <mscottm> ..Also, want to provide the annotation software as a set of services 
14:25:14 <mscottm> Caric: Doing this with Jackson Labs, Univ of Colorado, and Univ of Utah
14:25:27 <mscottm> Cartic: Doing this with Jackson Labs, Univ of Colorado, and Univ of Utah
14:26:37 <mscottm> ..Created RDF triples from text mining and is available. Wondering if this community is interested in that data?
14:27:24 <mscottm> Daniel: Would you provide a link?
14:27:46 <mscottm> Tim: Please also provide a link to the annotation schema that you used.
14:28:02 <mscottm> Daniel: How does it relate to the Annotation Ontology?
14:28:30 <mscottm> Cartic: Hoping to find that out. Could possible transform / map to it.
14:29:27 <mscottm> Tim: That's what the Annotation Framework is for
14:30:18 <mscottm> ..The first service that we connected to is the NCBO Annotator and found some issues. Who should we contact?
14:30:28 <mscottm> Daniel: Nigam Shah
14:32:33 <mscottm> Paolo: There are some truncated term URI's
14:32:45 <Trish_> Read Codes, Clinical Terms Version 3
14:32:50 <mroos> FYI Some time soon we will talk about the nano-publication format for the Concept Web again (work on some proof-of-principle examples). Initial concept web content will be partially based on text mining, hence I think the format shall be a subset of a text mining annotation model. Seems obvious to me that we will find common ground. NB I'm only following the chat (trouble calling in).
14:33:07 <mscottm> Trish: Unless there is an error in the original source file ontology, they are supposed to be snippets.
14:33:45 <mscottm> Paolo: Just tried and they resolved. Will look at this again.
14:35:11 <Trish_> The URIs from the Read Codes includes "."*n at the end of the URI
14:35:24 <Trish_> this is how the data is in the source ontology file
14:37:05 <Trish_> E.g. http://purl.bioontology.org/ontology/RCD/B7...
14:37:23 <TimC> Hi Marco - we can chat about that in deatil when I visit Manchester
14:37:39 <Trish_> will resolve, but extra "." may not be automatically included in hyperlink
14:39:55 <jodi> the second one: http://esw.w3.org/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/RhetoricalStructure/UseCases/1 
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14:40:37 <jodi> the three sets of Rhetorical Structures use cases are linked from here: http://esw.w3.org/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/RhetoricalStructure
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14:41:34 <mscottm> Scott: <elaborates on use case suggested by Daniel Rubin from the Terminology task force> We started with manually crafted RDF representing salient features of radiology and pathology reports. Long term goal is more automation using something like NCBO Annotator or ODIE from Univ. of Pittsburgh, Rebecca Crowley, which creates ontology annotations for Surgical Pathology Reports.
14:43:11 <mscottm> Scott: Also mentions that colleague Marco Roos couldn't get into the call (call is full). Explains the relation of text mining and Concept Web Alliance to SciDisc. CWA based initial modelling of discourse and assertions on SWAN/SIOC ontology. There is an abundance of material available from CWA.
14:44:01 <mscottm> <scribe has fallen behind! any help welcome - just write into the irc please>
14:45:35 <mroos> Has IsaTab been discussed in these calls? (Sorry I missed so many :-[)  This seems to be very popular in bioinformatics.
14:46:15 <mscottm> Tim: Suppose that we had a way to share text mining results through the use of common services like those based on AO. Use feedback from the community to improve the approach, reach for consensus, check interop of results.
14:46:53 <mscottm> Cartic: This sounds like a workable approach. We would be willing to share some data.
14:47:13 <mroos> I think IsaTab also uses NCBO for annotation. But not (yet) in a very RDF kind of way (as far as I could see).
14:47:53 <mroos> NB Please ignore my chats if they are out of sync ;-)
14:48:39 <mroos> http://isatab.sourceforge.net/
14:49:16 <rfrost> using AO to build a gold standard for training NER classifiers: set of NER classifiers process a set of documents and map to AO annotations, these pooled results are reviewed by human curators using AO-based tools to create gold standard (w/ the additional detail supported by AO), this gold standard is used to train a new NER classifier or to enhance the input classifiers. Explore whether the superior NER performance can be achieve via the use of an AO-based tr
14:49:48 <TimC> Hi - ISATAB has been discussed on the Discourse-Data-Experiment thread of this call but not in this particular context
14:52:05 <Trish_> The ISATAB tool does use ontologies from NCBO
14:52:33 <mroos> Re: Isatab. Thanks. Would you have a link that I can forward to some people using ISATAB? They may not be aware of your experiences (assuming there was a report of some kind of that).
14:52:36 <mscottm> Scott: <long preamble> Speaking for both Terminology task force and Concept Web Alliance, both would be interested, in slightly different ways. Reaching toward interoperable RDF from text mining for publishing in the Linked Open Data cloud is an excellent goal. Pistoia Alliance SESL project (Ian Harrow, Dietrich Rebholz, et al) also has relevant output and potential interest.
14:54:22 <mscottm> Tim: Next week is Columbus Day in the U.S. Next call will be in two weeks Bibliographic records and citations, David Shotton and also Elsevier.
14:55:14 <Trish_> http://isatab.sourceforge.net/index.html
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14:57:48 <mscottm> Scott: Let's add the list of text mined RDF resources to the wiki.
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14:58:58 <mscottm> Tim: I'm excited about the way this is developing. Talk to you all in two weeks.
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15:43:41 <johnM> zakim, this will be term
15:43:41 <Zakim> ok, johnM; I see SW_HCLS(TERM)12:00PM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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15:50:28 <johnM> Hi scott, are you there?
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15:57:12 <johnM> Hi matthias
15:58:46 <mscottm> I am here now.
15:58:53 <mscottm> but not on the phone.
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16:04:30 <mscottm> scribenick: mscottm
16:05:08 <mscottm> John: I'm here at a Hyatt with several people from an HL7 meeting, including Eric Prud'hommeaux
16:06:54 <mscottm> Francois: I work for a government agency, co-chair of XXXX and YYYY.
16:06:55 <ericP> victor brotsky: asst director of informatics at ....
16:07:14 <ericP> ... liason to IHE pathology group
16:07:23 <ericP> mary kennedy: CAP
16:07:30 <mscottm> Mary Kennedy at NCI part of the CAP
16:07:59 <ericP> crytal: @@paris
16:08:05 <mscottm> Christel
16:08:20 <ericP> ... working on content integration profile: manage terminology attached to pathlex
16:08:46 <ericP> geoffrey carp: CAP assiting dr. booker and dr. brotsky in running the AP group
16:09:04 <ericP> david booker: liason from from HL7
16:09:06 <mscottm> tx
16:09:23 <ericP> daniel rubin: standford -- radiology
16:09:33 <ericP> harold solbrieg: mayo clinic
16:09:44 <ericP> ... lots of terminolgy work
16:09:45 <ericP> ... curator of lexgrid
16:09:53 <ericP> matthias_samwald: at DERI galway
16:10:18 <ericP> ... working on improving interop in life sci, translational med via ontologies, data standards...
16:10:52 <ericP> mscottm: co-chair of hcls. making the most of data via ontology and related standards
16:11:13 <ericP> xiaoshu: @@1 in UNC challel hill
16:13:40 <mscottm> ericP: <tells about HCLS to people in hotel room>
16:14:28 <mscottm> ericP: HCLS creates demonstrators that make use of public data (so they can be demonstrated).
16:16:16 <mscottm> ..Clinical Observation Interoperability: Look at how Semantic Web can ease data integration, mapping, and queries across the information systems of different hospital systems and clinical trials.
16:16:59 <mscottm> ..Terminology: How do we use RDF versions of medical terminologies in the clinical context?
16:18:07 <mscottm> BioRDF: How do we assemble data from different sources and databases to answer scientific questions?
16:18:56 <mscottm> Linked Open Drug Data: Pushing data into the Linked Open Data cloud that is relevant to HCLS, such as Allen Brain Atlas (latest endeavor).
16:19:44 <mscottm> Translational Medicine Ontology: Building a patient-centric ontology for translational medicine.
16:21:15 <mscottm> Scott: Scientific Discourse - ontologies for representing discourse, including Annotation Ontology and Annotation Framework.
16:22:09 <mscottm> EricP: describes how HCLS approaches make it possible to create personalized medicine and better leverage data in health care and life sciences.
16:23:47 <mscottm> John: PathLex is being created (named in homage to RadLex). Considering whether to use OWL/RDF, SKOS/RDF or other.
16:28:00 <mscottm> Zakim, who is here?
16:28:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see johnM, mscottm, Tony, danielR, +1.919.445.aabb, matthias_samwald
16:28:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see leaper, haroldS, xiaoshu, johnM, jluciano, RRSAgent, mscottm, Paolo, matthias_samwald, Zakim, ericP
16:33:13 <mscottm> Christel: We will face the issue of querying. Having a content profile could help with querying.
16:48:43 <mscottm> Harold: Translating between pre-coordinated and post-coordinated would benefit, example table of people with broken femurs vs. femur broken boolean and laterality vs. tags
16:51:34 <mscottm> MaryK: Problem using post-coordination and looking for pre-coordinated examples that fit it.
16:52:15 <mscottm> John: One problem is that there is no clear semantics for SNOMED that enable you to test if a SNOMED assertion is valid.
16:53:59 <mscottm> Harold: ITSIDO is using ECL+ reasoning on SNOMED in OWL (?)
16:54:34 <mscottm> John: Disjoint expressions..
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17:00:04 <johnM> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:00:28 <johnM> rsagent, make logs public
17:00:41 <johnM> Thanks scott
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