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trackbot, start telcon
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be TAG
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ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start in 27 minutes
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Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
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Date: 23 September 2010
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ScribeNick: ht
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Scribe: Henry S. Thompson
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Chair: Noah Mendelsohn
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/23-agenda
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/23-agenda
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TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started
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+Yves
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+noah
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+Masinter
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+Jonathan_Rees
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 0824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), ht
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+??P5
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zakim, ? is me
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+ht; got it
17:02:05 [noah]
zakim, who is here?
17:02:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Yves, noah, Masinter, Jonathan_Rees, ht
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On IRC I see masinter, noah, RRSAgent, Zakim, ht, jar, Yves, trackbot
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zakim, who is here?
17:04:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Yves, noah, Masinter, Jonathan_Rees, ht
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On IRC I see johnk, masinter, noah, RRSAgent, Zakim, ht, jar, Yves, trackbot
17:04:44 [ht]
Topic: Admin
17:04:54 [noah]
JohnK, can you scribe next week please?
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NM: Call next week -- AM is up to scribe, but not here. . .
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NM: Regrets from AM
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JR: Probably not here
17:05:37 [johnk]
it will be difficult for me to scribe or attend next week (I'll be at risk it seems)
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NM: Working to get TBL's dates. . .
17:05:44 [johnk]
but I will check
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NM: YL is next
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YL: I could if necessary
17:07:01 [noah]
Minutes of the 16th: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes
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+John_Kemp
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NM: Minutes of the 16th: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes
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NM: Approved
17:07:19 [masinter]
+1 minutes are ok
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JR: I read them, they're good
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NM: F2F arrangements as in the past, no local arrangements page yet
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NM: TVR has a hard stop at 1700 each day, at which point we will have to leave. . .
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q+
17:08:40 [jar]
q+
17:09:14 [noah]
q?
17:09:14 [ht]
ack next
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q+ IRI, like idea of meeting with others mentioned
17:09:48 [noah]
HT: I have to leave after lunch on Thursday.
17:10:19 [noah]
HT: If we could interest others from Google to be interested in meeting, perhaps we have a hard stop?
17:10:31 [noah]
NM: Outside visitor session?
17:10:32 [noah]
HT: Yes.
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s/we have/we do not have/
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ack next
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ScribeNick: ht
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JR: You do not have to agree to the NDA in order to enter the building
17:11:45 [masinter]
q+ IRI
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... you just get a black spot
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ack next
17:11:54 [noah]
ack next
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LM: I have an IRI editors' call at 1700 on Tuesday
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... other TAG members would be welcome on the call
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... but that would require a space at Google. . .
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NM: Official action?
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LM: Perhaps not. . .
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NM: How best to make use of their presence?
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NM: Silence gives consent to my proceeding with this
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-Yves
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+Yves
17:15:29 [masinter]
of the people you mentioned, the relationship of web to ECMAscript
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NM: Still would like to hear from anyone who has writing in progress, or could have, wrt WebApps
17:16:10 [masinter]
seems to be a common topic... Javascript being an important component of WebApps
17:16:26 [noah]
ACTION-463?
17:16:26 [trackbot]
ACTION-463 -- Noah Mendelsohn to respond positively to Mark Nottingham regarding meeting with Alexey at TPAC -- due 2010-09-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/463
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Topic: ISSUE-66 (mimeAndWeb-66-27): TPAC meeting with IETF
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ACTION-464?
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ACTION-464 -- Yves Lafon to coordinate agenda for TAG/IETF meeting at TPAC -- due 2010-10-23 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/464
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YL: I spoke with Alexey, but he is headed out on vacation
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NM: Mark Nottingham said Alexey was pbly more flexible than the TAG would be
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NM: How about Thursday p.m.?
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YL: As long as we avoid the AC
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NM: So it's TBL, YL, NM and LM -- YL, liaise with Amy to find a time which works for TBL?
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YL: Will do
17:18:54 [masinter]
is there a TAG report or section at TPAC/AC meeting?
17:18:55 [noah]
ACTION-463?
17:18:55 [trackbot]
ACTION-463 -- Noah Mendelsohn to respond positively to Mark Nottingham regarding meeting with Alexey at TPAC -- due 2010-09-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/463
17:19:05 [noah]
close ACTION-463
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ACTION-463 Respond positively to Mark Nottingham regarding meeting with Alexey at TPAC closed
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ACTION-464?
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ACTION-464 -- Yves Lafon to coordinate agenda for TAG/IETF meeting at TPAC -- due 2010-10-23 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/464
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Until we have something scheduled, should this action be closed?
17:19:50 [ht]
YL: I'm looking at other possible IETF participants
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NM: Be clear that only a small part of the TAG will be there
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Topic: TP/AC as such
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NM: There is currently no slot in either agenda as far as I know
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LM: I am uncomfortable that the TAG never reports f2f to the AC
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... not every time, but not never
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NM: We got dropped around the time a lot of pruning was done to reporting sessions
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... in favour of topical sessions
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s/am uncomfortable that/would be uncomfortable if/
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LM: Repeating a written report is not necessary, but having e.g. a 15-minute Q&A session might be a good thing. . .
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NM: Should I reach out to the AC agenda person(s)?
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LM: We should offer to be held accountable
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HST: +1
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NM: Will do
17:25:14 [masinter]
e.g., offer a 15-minute Q&A session, ask members to read TAG status and answer any questions they have about what the TAG is doing
17:25:23 [noah]
ACTION: Noah to offer to organizers of AC to do short session answering questions and/or giving TAG status report
17:25:23 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-469 - Offer to organizers of AC to do short session answering questions and/or giving TAG status report [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2010-09-30].
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Topic: IS
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Topic: ISSUE-66 (mimeAndWeb-66-27): IETF Draft on MIME
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LM: We've talked about the mismatch/shortfall in the coverage of the whole MIME/Web space between W3C and IETF
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... And so I wrote a 'personal submission' to the IETF to get something started which both groups could endorse
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LM: Three questions:
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1) Does this proposition make sense?
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2) Is it missing anything?
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3) Do you understand its recommendations?
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4) Do you agree with them?
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s/proposition/document/
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1) does the document make sense
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2) is it missing anything?
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3) do you agree with the analysis of current sate
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4) do you agree with recommendations for future action
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s/sate/state
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NM:: 5) Will the TAG stand up and back this?
17:29:05 [masinter]
right
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LM: And maybe will the TAG publish this as its own?
17:29:54 [noah]
zakim, who is here?
17:29:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Yves, noah, Masinter, Jonathan_Rees, ht, John_Kemp
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[Not all TAG members on the call have read it]
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On IRC I see johnk, masinter, noah, RRSAgent, Zakim, ht, jar, Yves, trackbot
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s/it/the document/
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NM: Q1: Does the document make sense?
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LM: Or, what parts don't?
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JK: I only knew what has happened, as it were, since the transfer to the Web of the mime system. So I found the background helpful
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... but still not sure where we go from here. . .
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JK: Is your goal to address the problems which arose as a result of the move?
17:33:39 [noah]
q?
17:33:48 [noah]
q+ to comment on Larry's draft
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LM: The doc't builds towards section 6, where in particular it says to add info to the registration process which the Web needs, which the email environment didn't
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... and then more suggestions about W3C's place in the reg. process, and about sniffing
17:34:23 [noah]
ack next
17:34:25 [Zakim]
noah, you wanted to comment on Larry's draft
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JK: I like the sound of that
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NM: I like this a lot, at the high level that I have reviewed it
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... Making clear that we're headed for chapter 6 early on would help
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NM: I found the section on polyglot a bit unclear, without necessarily disagrees
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... "treated as two different media types" -- what is meant by 'document' in that case?
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s/media/mime/
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specific comment: I'd like to see "prompt an evolution..." in the introduction note that the suggested evolution is written as specific recommendations in section 6
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NM: On versioning and forking, as it stands this one is a too unaware of the tarpits here---we need to clarify what's uncontroversial and what is more speculative in this section
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NM: In section 6, you often are a bit too elliptical---some of the recommendations need to be expressed at somewhat greater length
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... to avoid misunderstanding
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LM: A bit rough, was expecting controversy
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NM: Fine, most important then to be as crisp as possible
17:39:36 [masinter]
Section 6 is really rough, i was just trying to evoke things we might do.... it's certainly rough
17:39:45 [ht]
LM: Looking for help here, for sure
17:40:02 [masinter]
specific comments on *what* is unclear would help me a lot
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q?
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NM: Editorial work could reduce the risk of thrashing from misunderstandings
17:40:13 [noah]
ack next
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NM: An excellent start
17:40:51 [ht]
YL: Adam Barth's draft 05 is the origin of the baked-in list problem
17:40:54 [jar]
masinter, noah said in particular that "Allow commenting or easier update" was unclear (e.g.)
17:41:18 [ht]
LM: Do you like the proposal?
17:41:33 [ht]
YL: I think having a single place where sniffing is described is good
17:41:43 [ht]
... Lists will need to be kept up-to-date
17:42:01 [ht]
... Doing that via the mime type registry might well be a good way to do that
17:42:08 [ht]
NM: Anything else?
17:42:17 [masinter]
are you willing to consider action 5: make this a TAG submission rather than an individual one?
17:42:43 [Yves]
I agree with that
17:42:55 [ht]
NM: Can we revisit this next week? -- yes, so please read it in detail by next week.
17:43:12 [johnk]
I'm happy to spend time on this
17:43:15 [ht]
NM: I read the situation as TAG agreeing to pursue that, without prejudice as to the outcome
17:43:48 [jar]
+1
17:43:59 [noah]
ACTION-467?
17:43:59 [trackbot]
ACTION-467 -- Larry Masinter to revise Mime & Web blog entry, perhaps leading to Internet Draft -- due 2010-09-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:43:59 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/467
17:44:03 [ht]
LM: Good -- I don't feel a strong sense of ownership -- what I want most is for this to go forward, with TAG help
17:44:12 [noah]
close ACTION-467
17:44:13 [trackbot]
ACTION-467 Revise Mime & Web blog entry, perhaps leading to Internet Draft closed
17:44:22 [noah]
ACTION-458
17:44:25 [noah]
ACTION-458?
17:44:25 [trackbot]
ACTION-458 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate with IETF on MIME-type related activities -- due 2010-09-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:44:25 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/458
17:46:18 [noah]
ACTION-458?
17:46:18 [trackbot]
ACTION-458 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate with IETF on MIME-type related activities -- due 2010-09-28 -- OPEN
17:46:18 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/458
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Topic: Privacy Workshop
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ACTION-460:
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trackbot, ACTION-460?
17:46:59 [trackbot]
Sorry, ht, I don't understand 'trackbot, ACTION-460?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
17:47:03 [ht]
trackbot, ACTION-460
17:47:03 [trackbot]
Sorry, ht, I don't understand 'trackbot, ACTION-460'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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ACTION-460?
17:47:17 [trackbot]
ACTION-460 -- Daniel Appelquist to coordinate with IAB regarding next steps on privacy policy -- due 2010-09-14 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/460
17:48:12 [ht]
NM: This meeting is scheduled for 8,9 December in Cambridge MA
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NM: HST queried whether we should approximate the next TAG f2f to that meeting
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NM: It is a little close to our October and TPAC meetings
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HST: I think we don't have enough people her today
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NM: I am interested in attending the workshop
17:50:10 [jar]
Dan is already involved...
17:50:29 [noah]
ACTION: Noah to ask Thomas about TAG involvement in privacy workshop
17:50:29 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-470 - Ask Thomas about TAG involvement in privacy workshop [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2010-09-30].
17:50:35 [ht]
NM: I'm inclined to ask Thomas Roessler what kind of TAG involvement he would like
17:50:55 [ht]
NM: We'll talk about f2f scheduling at the f2f
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Topic: Evercookies
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NM: See thread in www-tag
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NM: Using local storage for more persistent cookies
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... was being done ad-hoc, now the Evercookie library automates this
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... which works hard to preserve itself
17:52:43 [jar]
it was very clear that the purpose was to raise an alarm.
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LM: This cuts across webarch
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... there's no simple fix
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NM: We are writing about good practice
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... for webapps
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... including privacy and client-side storage
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... and had noted some confusion between cookies and client-side storage
17:54:27 [masinter]
q+ to point out that 'erase history' isn't part of web arch now
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NM: So we could push for some good practice in this area
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q+ to mention AM's email
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NM: Clear cookies, user says sure, clear storage -- oh no, that's my email
17:55:56 [ht]
JK: That's the problem, these are generic mechanisms, it's hard to see how a UA could offer anything appropriately targetted
17:56:18 [ht]
NM: You could ask "Do you want to delete storage from site: xxx"
17:56:37 [masinter]
there are several parts of what it takes to actually use the web & support it that might not be part of web architecture as originally designed, and that retrofitting them is difficult; phishing, for example, attacks something that was never directly part of what we thought was "web architecture"
17:56:43 [ht]
q+ ht2 to say "arms race"
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ack net
17:56:52 [noah]
ack next
17:56:54 [Zakim]
masinter, you wanted to point out that 'erase history' isn't part of web arch now
17:57:17 [ht]
LM: Note that "Delete my history" is not currently part of any spec or recommendation
17:57:29 [ht]
... it's just something that browsers _do_
17:57:44 [ht]
NM: Indeed, Web Apps can go places we haven't gone before
17:58:10 [ht]
LM: Phishing is another example -- where the exploit does involve some aspects of Web Arch
17:58:39 [ht]
... there is no where that specifies that UAs should show you where you are in non-spoofable ways
17:58:56 [noah]
ack next
17:58:58 [Zakim]
ht, you wanted to mention AM's email
17:59:03 [ht]
HST: I don't think we've ever said "UAs should show you where you are" in so many words, at all???
17:59:10 [masinter]
there's probably a lot more things like this
17:59:35 [noah]
HST: Ashok just sent email saying that he'll add something about evercookie to client side storage paper for F2F
17:59:36 [noah]
ack next
17:59:38 [Zakim]
ht2, you wanted to say "arms race"
17:59:58 [jar]
what are the requirements for the web?
18:00:03 [ht]
HST: AM is going to include something about this in his paper on client-side storage for the F2F
18:00:30 [noah]
HST: I worry about calling for an arms race. Could happen whether we do or don't, but it's a worry.
18:01:10 [noah]
HST: Client-side stored material is used for so many different things. Making the evercookie look like email, for example, is going to make it hard for browsers to do the right thing. Impossible task.
18:01:47 [ht]
NM: Yes, maybe we just need the press to do this for it
18:01:54 [noah]
ack next
18:02:10 [ht]
s/for it/for us by raising the alarm/
18:02:44 [jar]
Secure Information Flow Analysis ??
18:02:50 [ht]
YL: Studying all the ways C-S S is happening is a good idea independently of the Evercoookie issue
18:03:13 [ht]
Topic: Overdue actions
18:03:42 [noah]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
18:04:05 [noah]
ACTION-416?
18:04:05 [trackbot]
ACTION-416 -- John Kemp to work on diagrams in "From Server-side to client-side" section of webapps material -- due 2010-09-01 -- OPEN
18:04:05 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/416
18:04:57 [noah]
ACTION 416 Due: 2010-10-11
18:04:57 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - 416
18:05:15 [Yves]
ACTION 416 Due 2010-10-11
18:05:15 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - 416
18:05:30 [jar]
action-416 due 2010-10-11
18:05:30 [trackbot]
ACTION-416 Work on diagrams in "From Server-side to client-side" section of webapps material due date now 2010-10-11
18:06:08 [noah]
action-417 due 2010-10-11
18:06:08 [trackbot]
ACTION-417 Frame section 7, security due date now 2010-10-11
18:06:30 [noah]
ACTION-280?
18:06:30 [trackbot]
ACTION-280 -- John Kemp to (with John K) to enumerate some CSRF scenarios discussed in Jun in Cambridge -- due 2010-09-01 -- OPEN
18:06:30 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/280
18:06:52 [noah]
action-280 due 2010-10-11
18:06:52 [trackbot]
ACTION-280 (with John K) to enumerate some CSRF scenarios discussed in Jun in Cambridge due date now 2010-10-11
18:07:48 [noah]
action-341?
18:07:48 [trackbot]
ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2010-09-01 -- OPEN
18:07:48 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
18:09:25 [noah]
ACTION-341 due 2010-11-15
18:09:25 [trackbot]
ACTION-341 Follow up with Thomas about security review activities for HTML5 due date now 2010-11-15
18:09:49 [noah]
ACTION0404?
18:09:53 [noah]
ACTION-404?
18:09:53 [trackbot]
ACTION-404 -- Yves Lafon to track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership -- due 2010-09-15 -- OPEN
18:09:53 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/404
18:10:20 [Yves]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Sep/0043.html
18:10:55 [noah]
NM: Discuss in email?
18:11:01 [Zakim]
-John_Kemp
18:12:02 [masinter]
action-379?
18:12:02 [trackbot]
ACTION-379 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check whether HTML language reference has been published -- due 2010-09-21 -- OPEN
18:12:02 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/379
18:12:03 [Yves]
action-404 due 2010-12-02
18:12:03 [trackbot]
ACTION-404 Track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership due date now 2010-12-02
18:12:14 [noah]
ACTION-379?
18:12:14 [trackbot]
ACTION-379 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check whether HTML language reference has been published -- due 2010-09-21 -- OPEN
18:12:14 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/379
18:12:44 [johnk]
bad cell zone.... I dropped off
18:13:05 [masinter]
question is whether http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/ meets the original requirements from TAG discussion
18:13:20 [ht]
NM: Propose to close this . . .
18:13:30 [jar]
Aug 19 "On 19 August call, members weren't clear on level of commitment to author-spec. Noah needs to chase down references."
18:13:41 [ht]
LM: The TAG asked for something, there's a document, does it do what we want?
18:13:43 [ht]
HST: No
18:14:23 [ht]
NM: The action was smaller than that -- just to check that it would really be taken further
18:14:49 [ht]
HST: OK, so, I don't think you get off the hook until they publish as a REC
18:15:08 [ht]
LM: And, when there's a last call on this document, we should evaluate the requirement
18:15:14 [ht]
s/requirement/requirements/
18:15:38 [Zakim]
-ht
18:15:41 [masinter]
s/the requirement/whether it meets the requirement/
18:15:41 [noah]
Bye Henry
18:15:49 [jar]
scribenick: jar
18:16:24 [jar]
noah: OK, let's keep it open until their last call (or other precipitating event)
18:16:30 [noah]
ACTION-429 due 2010-10-15
18:16:30 [trackbot]
ACTION-429 Work on arrangements for a TAG F2F, probably @ Google early Oct (self-assigned) due date now 2010-10-15
18:16:42 [noah]
ACTION-449?
18:16:42 [trackbot]
ACTION-449 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of pushback on generic handling of fragment IDs in application/xxx+xml media types (self-assigned) -- due 2010-09-16 -- OPEN
18:16:42 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/449
18:16:54 [noah]
ACTION-453?
18:16:54 [trackbot]
ACTION-453 -- Noah Mendelsohn to let 3023bis folks know that we are aiming to resolve generic processing concerns in Sept, after Larry returns. -- due 2010-09-16 -- OPEN
18:16:54 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/453
18:17:18 [noah]
ACTION-466?
18:17:18 [trackbot]
ACTION-466 -- Larry Masinter to ask Norm, Roy and Martin for concrete use cases where generic processing of fragment ids is important -- due 2010-09-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
18:17:18 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/466
18:17:37 [jar]
masinter has 466 on this topic; it's pending review
18:17:48 [noah]
close ACTION-453
18:17:48 [trackbot]
ACTION-453 Let 3023bis folks know that we are aiming to resolve generic processing concerns in Sept, after Larry returns. closed
18:17:57 [noah]
ACTION-449?
18:17:57 [trackbot]
ACTION-449 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of pushback on generic handling of fragment IDs in application/xxx+xml media types (self-assigned) -- due 2010-09-16 -- OPEN
18:17:57 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/449
18:18:02 [jar]
noah: propose to close the other two, 453 and 449
18:18:04 [noah]
close action-449
18:18:04 [trackbot]
ACTION-449 Schedule discussion of pushback on generic handling of fragment IDs in application/xxx+xml media types (self-assigned) closed
18:18:35 [jar]
masinter: i used wrong action number in email, so it didn't get linked, sorry
18:19:07 [jar]
... please look at resolution of 466
18:19:40 [jar]
noah: Do you want discussion next week?
18:19:57 [jar]
masinter: If no response, nothing to discuss. If response, maybe something to discuss.
18:20:10 [jar]
ADJOURNED
18:20:20 [jar]
rrsagent, pointer?
18:20:20 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-tagmem-irc#T18-20-20
18:20:33 [jar]
zakim, who is here?
18:20:34 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Yves, noah, Masinter, Jonathan_Rees
18:20:34 [Zakim]
On IRC I see johnk, masinter, noah, RRSAgent, Zakim, ht, jar, Yves, trackbot
18:20:38 [Zakim]
-Masinter
18:20:40 [Zakim]
-Yves
18:20:40 [Zakim]
-noah
18:21:01 [Zakim]
-Jonathan_Rees
18:21:03 [Zakim]
TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
18:21:05 [Zakim]
Attendees were Yves, noah, Masinter, Jonathan_Rees, ht, John_Kemp
18:22:41 [jar]
ah, the IRC log tells me it was done at the beginning. but thanks