IRC log of lld on 2010-09-16

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13:47:26 [RRSAgent]
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc
13:47:45 [emma]
rrsagent, bookmark
13:47:45 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T13-47-45
13:48:26 [emma]
zakim, this will be LLD
13:48:26 [Zakim]
ok, emma; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
13:48:59 [emma]
Meeting : LLD XG
13:49:05 [AlexanderH]
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Chair: Emmanuelle
13:49:36 [emma]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Sep/0069.html
13:49:53 [emma]
Previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html
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Regrets: Ray, Annette
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Resgrets+: Andras, Bernard, Jodi
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Regrets+: Andras, Bernard, Jodi
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rrsagent, please make record public
13:51:31 [emma]
still looking for a volunteer for scribing
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INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
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+[IPcaller]
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13:55:04 [emma]
zakim, IPcaller is me
13:55:04 [Zakim]
+emma; got it
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+ +49.173.609.aaaa
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+??P5
13:55:56 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
13:56:01 [TomB]
zakim, ??P5 is TomB
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+TomB; got it
13:56:40 [Zakim]
+michaelp
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+LarsG
13:57:25 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html TomB
13:57:56 [Zakim]
+??P16
13:57:57 [Zakim]
+??P17
13:58:11 [monica]
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13:58:17 [antoine]
zakim, ??P17 is me
13:58:17 [Zakim]
+antoine; got it
13:58:27 [Zakim]
+jeff.a
13:58:29 [emma]
zakim, ??P16 is GordonD
13:58:29 [Zakim]
+GordonD; got it
13:58:50 [antoine]
zakim, jeff.a is matolat
13:58:50 [Zakim]
+matolat; got it
13:58:54 [kai]
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13:58:58 [digikim]
hello
13:59:06 [Zakim]
+??P20
13:59:19 [antoine]
zakim, ??P20 is kc
13:59:19 [Zakim]
+kc; got it
13:59:21 [marma]
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13:59:31 [antoine]
zakim, kc is kcoyle
13:59:31 [Zakim]
+kcoyle; got it
13:59:44 [antoine]
zakim, who is here?
13:59:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle
13:59:46 [Zakim]
On IRC I see rsinger, marma, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
13:59:54 [Zakim]
+??P24
14:00:08 [Zakim]
+ +1.330.289.aabb
14:00:14 [Zakim]
+??P26
14:00:34 [antoine]
zakim, aabb is marcia
14:00:34 [Zakim]
+marcia; got it
14:00:48 [Zakim]
+??P30
14:00:51 [Zakim]
+rsinger
14:00:59 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:01:12 [antoine]
zakim, [IPcaller] is AlexanderH
14:01:12 [Zakim]
+AlexanderH; got it
14:01:19 [emma]
zakim, who's here ?
14:01:19 [Zakim]
On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, ??P24, marcia, ??P26, ??P30, rsinger,
14:01:22 [Zakim]
... AlexanderH
14:01:24 [kai]
zakim, +??P26 is me.
14:01:25 [Zakim]
On IRC I see rsinger, marma, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
14:01:27 [Marcia]
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14:01:27 [Zakim]
sorry, kai, I do not recognize a party named '+??P26'
14:01:29 [antoine]
zakim, ??P26 is gneher
14:01:30 [Zakim]
+Oreste
14:01:32 [Zakim]
+gneher; got it
14:01:32 [kai]
zakim, ??P26 is me.
14:01:36 [Zakim]
I already had ??P26 as gneher, kai
14:01:47 [digikim]
zakim, ??P30 is me.
14:01:47 [Zakim]
+digikim; got it
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14:01:54 [antoine]
zakim, who is noisy
14:01:54 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is noisy', antoine
14:02:01 [TomB]
zakim, ??P26 is gneher
14:02:02 [Zakim]
I already had ??P26 as gneher, TomB
14:02:02 [kai]
zakim, who is making noise?
14:02:13 [Zakim]
kai, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (18%), +49.173.609.aaaa (34%), antoine (18%), marcia (19%), Oreste (35%)
14:02:13 [antoine]
zakim, who is here?
14:02:17 [Zakim]
On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, ??P24, marcia, gneher, digikim, rsinger,
14:02:22 [Zakim]
... AlexanderH, Oreste
14:02:24 [Zakim]
On IRC I see michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, marma, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma, jeff_, ww,
14:02:29 [Zakim]
... edsu
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14:02:40 [Marcia]
Zakim, mute me please
14:02:41 [antoine]
zakim, who is making noise?
14:02:44 [emma]
zakim, ??P24 is probably Kai
14:02:47 [Zakim]
+[LC]
14:02:47 [edsu]
Zoia, LC is edsu
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14:02:53 [Zakim]
marcia should now be muted
14:02:59 [Zakim]
+Kai?; got it
14:03:00 [kai]
still think i am p26...
14:03:05 [emma]
zakim, please mute aaaa
14:03:07 [Zakim]
antoine, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (33%), +49.173.609.aaaa (68%), TomB (75%), [LC] (9%)
14:03:18 [Zakim]
+49.173.609.aaaa should now be muted
14:03:26 [Zakim]
+ +44.194.346.aacc
14:03:30 [kai]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa (muted), TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher
14:03:38 [antoine]
zakim, aacc is monica
14:03:47 [Zakim]
... (muted), digikim, rsinger, AlexanderH, Oreste, [LC], +44.194.346.aacc
14:03:49 [Zakim]
+monica; got it
14:04:07 [emma]
Scrive: Tod
14:04:13 [emma]
Scribe: Tod
14:04:20 [emma]
scribenick: matolat
14:05:06 [antoine]
zakim, who is here?
14:05:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa (muted), TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher
14:05:09 [Zakim]
... (muted), digikim, rsinger, AlexanderH, Oreste, [LC], monica (muted)
14:05:12 [edsu]
Zakim: LC is edsu
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14:05:14 [Zakim]
On IRC I see oreste, marma, michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma,
14:05:19 [edsu]
Zakim, LC is edsu
14:05:20 [Zakim]
... jeff_, ww, edsu
14:05:25 [Zakim]
+edsu; got it
14:05:31 [Zakim]
- +49.173.609.aaaa
14:05:46 [antoine]
zakim, who is here?
14:05:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see emma, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher (muted), digikim, rsinger,
14:05:50 [Zakim]
... AlexanderH, Oreste, edsu, monica (muted)
14:05:51 [Zakim]
On IRC I see jphipps, oreste, marma, michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim,
14:05:54 [Zakim]
... emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
14:06:02 [rsinger]
edsu: heh, "Zoia,.."
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+ +49.173.609.aadd
14:06:19 [antoine]
zakim, aadd is jneubert
14:06:19 [Zakim]
+jneubert; got it
14:06:27 [antoine]
zakim, who is here?
14:06:27 [Zakim]
On the phone I see emma, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher (muted), digikim, rsinger,
14:06:28 [matolat]
Topic: Administrative
14:06:30 [Zakim]
... AlexanderH, Oreste, edsu, monica (muted), jneubert
14:06:31 [Zakim]
On IRC I see jphipps, oreste, marma, michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim,
14:06:34 [Zakim]
... emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
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+ +1.607.222.aaee
14:07:05 [antoine]
zakim, aaee is jphipps
14:07:05 [Zakim]
+jphipps; got it
14:07:07 [matolat]
ACTION: To accept minutes of previous telecon:
14:07:09 [matolat]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html
14:07:15 [Zakim]
-jneubert
14:07:45 [matolat]
RESOLVED:To accept minutes of previous telecon: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html
14:07:56 [antoine]
zakim, who is making noise?
14:08:06 [Zakim]
antoine, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (5%), TomB (10%), Kai? (30%)
14:08:23 [matolat]
Topic: Face-to-face meetings
14:09:22 [matolat]
kcoyle: need a set of goals for F2F
14:09:43 [matolat]
emma: Not yet, want to discuss Use cases
14:10:32 [matolat]
emma: discuss Topic list at F2F, don't have the goals for F2F
14:10:55 [TomB]
q+ to suggest that, as a goal, we clarify what deliverables we want to achieve by end of charter
14:11:01 [emma]
ack TomB
14:11:03 [Zakim]
TomB, you wanted to suggest that, as a goal, we clarify what deliverables we want to achieve by end of charter
14:11:10 [matolat]
kcoyle: Very broad topics, we need to help guide our thoughts to make good use of the time
14:11:24 [antoine]
q+ on use cases requirements topics
14:11:48 [Zakim]
-LarsG
14:12:08 [matolat]
TomB: chartered 1 year, number of wiki pages, artifacts, but we need to understand what we can deliver in our timeframe
14:12:35 [Zakim]
+jneubert
14:12:41 [emma]
ack ant
14:12:41 [Zakim]
antoine, you wanted to comment on use cases requirements topics
14:13:07 [matolat]
TomB: may want to decide what deliverables we can work on and what should be next steps
14:13:23 [Zakim]
+LarsG
14:14:05 [matolat]
Antoine: Use case call will be closed,
14:14:43 [antoine]
q+ on organization
14:14:49 [emma]
ack ant
14:14:49 [Zakim]
antoine, you wanted to comment on organization
14:14:49 [matolat]
Emma: main goal F2F is to define the deliverables from the use cases
14:15:51 [matolat]
Antoine: question on mic and speaker, can supply them?
14:16:22 [kcoyle]
for computer?
14:16:47 [antoine]
karen, yes
14:16:55 [jeff_]
i can ask if we have it
14:18:15 [marma_]
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14:18:34 [antoine]
+1
14:19:04 [matolat]
RESOLVED: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
14:19:50 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html TomB
14:20:02 [matolat]
Topic: Use cases and case studies - update
14:20:12 [matolat]
emma: use case call sent
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Cases_Gathering
14:21:10 [antoine]
typically people send answers quite late :-)
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14:22:41 [matolat]
antoine: number of lists that added and not sure if mail has been sent
14:23:21 [Marcia]
.
14:23:39 [Marcia]
.?
14:23:41 [antoine]
zakim, unmute marcia
14:23:41 [Zakim]
marcia should no longer be muted
14:24:23 [matolat]
marcia: has sent to her lists added
14:24:59 [Marcia]
Zakim, mute me
14:24:59 [Zakim]
marcia should now be muted
14:25:29 [matolat]
emma: Discussion of two related use cases (Joachim and Ed)
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[1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Publishing_20th_Century_Press_Archives
14:25:32 [matolat]
[2] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_NDNP
14:27:36 [Zakim]
+matolat.a
14:28:10 [antoine]
zakim, matolat.a is michaelp
14:28:10 [Zakim]
+michaelp; got it
14:28:17 [Zakim]
-LarsG
14:28:19 [emma]
http://zbw.eu/beta/p20/about
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+LarsG
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14:29:26 [matolat]
antonie; what data like at the start and how was it enriched
14:29:39 [edsu]
antoine: good question :)
14:30:15 [matolat]
Joachim: link to German authority file LLD impl
14:30:51 [matolat]
Joachim: difficult because don't have authority file idenitifers
14:31:50 [matolat]
Joachim: few American newspaper articles available, hope that other German databases to link to
14:33:15 [matolat]
I don't know if I caught all of that Joachim (please add comments?)
14:33:41 [matolat]
Joachim: metadata is mostly attached to folders
14:34:42 [edsu]
https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dv89m3d_466c3nxbc53
14:35:00 [emma]
ack fs
14:35:10 [matolat]
Edsu:Use case NDNP
14:37:03 [matolat]
Edsu: part of 20 year project digitize american newspaper. Start to move microfilm to be digitized
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14:37:46 [matolat]
Edsu: 250 harddrived, of batches (xml. tiff. ocr files)
14:38:17 [matolat]
Edsu: LD is webapp that sit on top of data, search OCR and browse
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14:39:13 [matolat]
Edsu: data is being cut off in 1922 copyright issues avoided
14:40:05 [matolat]
Edsu: each batch gets a name, browse from batch to issues
14:40:53 [matolat]
Edsu: problem how to get data to researchers
14:41:37 [matolat]
Edsu: have relational db, that could be dumped, this where LD approach helps
14:42:11 [matolat]
Edsu: mint cool URLs, get rdf that describe the data
14:42:49 [antoine]
q+ to ask about use of ORE in two cases
14:43:31 [Zakim]
-marcia
14:43:55 [matolat]
Edsu: not hierarchical, graph view makes linking more natural.
14:44:36 [matolat]
Edsu: link to dbpedia get geo coordinates to map newspaper coverage?
14:44:39 [antoine]
zakim, who is making noise?
14:44:41 [Zakim]
-jneubert
14:44:50 [Zakim]
antoine, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (85%), antoine (7%), edsu (64%)
14:45:26 [Zakim]
+jneubert
14:45:32 [matolat]
Edsu: links to flikr to allow folks to interact with data more
14:46:03 [antoine]
Ed: really great!
14:46:47 [matolat]
Edsu: FOAF to describe the agent that produced the data, some additional project define vocab
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14:47:56 [Zakim]
-monica
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14:48:35 [matolat]
Edsu: example use of data to explore Chicago news titles relate
14:49:14 [emma]
q?
14:49:19 [emma]
ack an
14:49:19 [Zakim]
antoine, you wanted to ask about use of ORE in two cases
14:49:27 [matolat]
Edsu: how to make annotations more readable. would be nice to capture them and add to the data set (e.g., from flikr)
14:50:22 [matolat]
antoine: have that 2 cases data been compared?
14:50:52 [matolat]
Edsu: look some at ORE data, but the vocab is small
14:52:34 [matolat]
Edsu: could be too generic
14:53:07 [matolat]
Joachim: want to apply to search results that are not covered by other vocab.
14:53:12 [Zakim]
-Felix
14:53:15 [edsu]
here's an example of some rdf for a page w/ some oai-ore http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1880-02-03/ed-1/seq-1.rdf
14:54:04 [matolat]
Joachim: would allow to describe the boundaries of aggregation
14:54:38 [matolat]
Joachim: describe the links of aggregation
14:55:41 [matolat]
Edsu: nice about ORE, allows people to extract not just the metadata, but the things being described
14:56:12 [antoine]
q+
14:56:20 [emma]
ack antoin
14:57:20 [edsu]
jneubert: you first :-)
14:57:26 [matolat]
Antoin: did you feel to need to choose the original data that you got?
14:58:20 [matolat]
will take question offline
14:58:45 [Zakim]
-LarsG
14:59:13 [antoine]
ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08]
14:59:15 [antoine]
--CONTINUES
14:59:16 [Zakim]
+LarsG
14:59:24 [Zakim]
-GordonD
14:59:29 [Zakim]
-AlexanderH
14:59:30 [Zakim]
-kcoyle
14:59:31 [Zakim]
-jeff
14:59:35 [Zakim]
-digikim
14:59:35 [Zakim]
-michaelp
14:59:37 [edsu]
cheers :-)
14:59:37 [digikim]
thanks!
14:59:40 [matolat]
ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] --continues
14:59:47 [Zakim]
-edsu
14:59:57 [Zakim]
-jphipps
14:59:57 [emma]
[adjourned]
15:00:04 [Zakim]
-LarsG
15:00:07 [Zakim]
-rsinger
15:00:09 [emma]
rrsagent please draft minutes
15:00:11 [Zakim]
-jneubert
15:00:19 [michaelp]
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15:00:26 [TomB]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:00:26 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html TomB
15:00:30 [antoine]
zaki, please list participants
15:00:37 [antoine]
zakim, please list participants
15:00:40 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix, LarsG, jeff, antoine, GordonD, matolat, kcoyle, +1.330.289.aabb, marcia, rsinger, AlexanderH, Oreste,
15:00:43 [LarsG]
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15:00:45 [Zakim]
... gneher, digikim, Kai?, +44.194.346.aacc, monica, edsu, +49.173.609.aadd, jneubert, +1.607.222.aaee, jphipps, michaelp
15:01:18 [Zakim]
-gneher
15:01:24 [Zakim]
-Kai?
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15:02:09 [antoine]
ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01]
15:02:11 [antoine]
--DONE
15:02:26 [antoine]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:02:26 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html antoine
15:03:52 [emma]
zakim, bye
15:03:52 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix, LarsG, jeff, antoine, GordonD, matolat, kcoyle, +1.330.289.aabb, marcia, rsinger, AlexanderH,
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Zakim has left #lld
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... Oreste, gneher, digikim, Kai?, +44.194.346.aacc, monica, edsu, +49.173.609.aadd, jneubert, +1.607.222.aaee, jphipps, michaelp
15:03:59 [TomB]
zakim, please unmute me
15:04:00 [matolat]
quit
15:04:02 [emma]
rrsagent, bye
15:04:02 [RRSAgent]
I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: To accept minutes of previous telecon: [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T14-07-07
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ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T14-59-13
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ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] --continues [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T14-59-40
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ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01] [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T15-02-09
15:04:13 [oreste]
bye