IRC log of html-a11y on 2010-09-16

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14:58:16 [janina]

zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML

14:58:17 [Zakim]

ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started

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zakim, call janina

14:58:28 [Zakim]

ok, janina; the call is being made

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+ +1.217.840.aaaa

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14:58:50 [janina]

zakim, drop janina

14:58:50 [Zakim]

sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'

14:58:56 [janina]

zakim, call janina

14:58:56 [Zakim]

ok, janina; the call is being made

14:58:57 [jongund]

zakim, +1.217.840.aaaa is jongund

14:58:57 [Zakim]

+Janina

14:58:57 [Zakim]

+jongund; got it

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+John_Foliot

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+Gregory_Rosmaita

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+Eric_Carlson

14:59:43 [MichaelC]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0418.html

15:00:08 [janina]

Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon

15:00:08 [janina]

Chair: Janina_Sajka

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agenda: this

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agenda+ Identify Scribe

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agenda+ Keyboard Access Requirements

15:00:09 [janina]

agenda+ Drag & Drop

15:00:09 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, call Mike

15:00:10 [Zakim]

ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made

15:00:11 [janina]

agenda+ Actions Review

15:00:13 [Zakim]

+Mike

15:00:13 [janina]

agenda+ TF Recommendations Followup & Updates

15:00:15 [janina]

agenda+ Subteam Reports: Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Media; Bug Triage

15:00:16 [MichaelC]

regrets+ Laura_Carlson

15:00:17 [janina]

agenda+ next meetings, confirm date/time, choose scribe

15:00:19 [janina]

agenda+ be done

15:00:21 [oedipus]

zakim, who is here?

15:00:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jongund, Janina, John_Foliot, Gregory_Rosmaita, Eric_Carlson, Mike

15:00:31 [Zakim]

On IRC I see eric_carlson, JF, RRSAgent, jongund, kliehm, EverettZ, gfreed, oedipus, MikeSmith, Judy, MichaelC, silvia, Zakim, janina, trackbot

15:00:36 [Zakim]

+??P4

15:00:54 [Zakim]

+Michael_Cooper

15:01:00 [janina]

agenda?

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15:02:08 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P4 is Everett_Zufelt

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+Everett_Zufelt; got it

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+kliehm

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+??P14

15:04:34 [janina]

zakim, ??P14 is Gez_Lemon

15:04:34 [Zakim]

+Gez_Lemon; got it

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15:04:57 [janina]

zakim, who's noisy

15:04:57 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who's noisy', janina

15:05:11 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, who's noisy?

15:05:23 [Zakim]

MikeSmith, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jongund (95%), John_Foliot (61%), Michael_Cooper (23%)

15:05:39 [MichaelC]

zakim, mute Jon

15:05:39 [Zakim]

jongund should now be muted

15:06:08 [Zakim]

+Cynthia_Shelly

15:06:11 [JF]

I've muted at my end

15:06:31 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

15:06:44 [jongund]

zakim, unmute jongund

15:06:45 [Zakim]

jongund should no longer be muted

15:08:00 [jongund]

no

15:08:28 [oedipus]

scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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scribenick: oedipus

15:09:00 [Zakim]

+Cynthia_Shelly

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15:09:28 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, code?

15:09:28 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith

15:09:32 [jongund]

JS: Accesskeys is the topic

15:09:41 [oedipus]

agendum 1

15:10:03 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

15:10:16 [jongund]

JS: We would like to do more than just get status

15:10:20 [adrianba]

zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba

15:10:20 [Zakim]

+adrianba; got it

15:10:33 [jongund]

JS: We need to meet the October 1st deadline

15:10:47 [jongund]

JS: Media group may need one more meeting

15:10:54 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus

15:11:11 [jongund]

JS: We have two areas we have not had the movement in to areas, where we need bugs filed

15:11:31 [oedipus]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access

15:11:35 [oedipus]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/pf_requirements

15:11:35 [Zakim]

-kliehm

15:11:38 [oedipus]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Talk:Access/pf_requirements

15:11:41 [oedipus]

problems with accesskey as-is in HTML5: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0103.html

15:11:45 [oedipus]

chaals' analysis of GJR"s "problems with accesskey as-is in HTML5: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0159.html

15:11:48 [oedipus]

paulC suggested that these be entered as individual bugs: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0119.html

15:11:51 [jongund]

JS: The on of the issues is keyboard access or device indepdence

15:11:51 [Zakim]

+kliehm

15:11:52 [oedipus]

judyB suggested that the TF discuss them first: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0149.html

15:12:14 [oedipus]

verbose descriptor requirements: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0436.html

15:12:23 [oedipus]

2 acceskey bugs filed:

15:12:26 [oedipus]

1. [Bug 10251] Psuedo-Cascade of Multiple Accesskeys Definable for an Individual Element: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10251

15:12:28 [oedipus]

2. [Bug 10252] New: HTML5 hard-binds "Action" to accesskey key-press: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10252

15:12:37 [jongund]

JS: The other issue is drag and drop device independence, so AT can perform drag and drop, current implementations are mouse centric

15:12:55 [jongund]

JS: Let's access command first and then move to drag and drop

15:13:13 [oedipus]

UAAG dependencies and access-* http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Talk:Access/pf_requirements

15:14:24 [jongund]

GR: Accesskey was not a part of HTML5 it has now been reintroduced

15:14:42 [Zakim]

-Mike

15:14:48 [jongund]

GR: The user agent group is a

15:14:53 [jongund]

I am muted now

15:14:57 [jongund]

GR:

15:15:20 [adrianba]

zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba,franko

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adrianba was already listed in [Microsoft], adrianba

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+franko; got it

15:15:27 [jongund]

GR: Originally HTML5 did not have accesskey, so PF submitted requirements and then nothing seems to have been done

15:15:52 [oedipus]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Talk:Access/pf_requirements

15:15:52 [jongund]

GR: HTML5 has introduced accesskey, but does not seem to address the accessibility issues

15:16:06 [Zakim]

+??P5

15:16:16 [jongund]

GR: I looked at UAAG 2.0 and I put on the wiki pages, see URI

15:17:01 [jongund]

GR: There point of view is very keyboard centric, I would like to see more device independent, I think we want to fill the holes of discoverability and device independent activation

15:17:04 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, call Mike

15:17:04 [Zakim]

ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made

15:17:05 [Zakim]

+Mike

15:17:25 [jongund]

GR: I am looking at UAAG 2.0 requirements for conformance

15:17:36 [jongund]

GR: Listed a number of commands ....

15:18:04 [jongund]

GR: The UAAG meets in an hours time, I will bring back more feedback from them

15:18:13 [oedipus]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/pf_requirements

15:18:17 [jongund]

GR: GR: Any questions?

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15:18:52 [jongund]

CS: SO on some other items, doing no hard, and then attempting to make improvements past that?

15:19:09 [jongund]

GR: That is a good question and I pose it to the task force

15:19:43 [jongund]

GR: I have been thinkig of taking HTML4 implementation and then addressing the problems and getting spec ready text

15:19:59 [jongund]

JF: Comment on problems with HTML5

15:20:28 [jongund]

GR: I want to take the proposal to UAAG and then come up with spec ready text, I think we need something they can plug right in

15:20:44 [JF]

+Q

15:21:07 [jongund]

CS: I think we need to be ready for changes and take anything missing in HTML4 in HTML5

15:21:14 [janina]

q?

15:21:21 [jongund]

GR: I will put in bugs related to moving focus and discoverability

15:21:31 [jongund]

CS: Is the work item?

15:21:40 [jongund]

GR: Put back what is no longer in HTML5

15:21:44 [janina]

zakim, who's here?

15:21:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jongund, Janina, John_Foliot, Gregory_Rosmaita, Eric_Carlson, Mike, Everett_Zufelt, Michael_Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft], kliehm (muted), ??P5

15:21:47 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has franko

15:21:49 [Zakim]

On IRC I see frankolivier, adrianba, oedipus, Gez, jongund, eric_carlson, JF, RRSAgent, kliehm, EverettZ, gfreed, MikeSmith, Judy, MichaelC, silvia, Zakim, janina, trackbot

15:22:00 [jongund]

GR: Add verbage satisfies the task for requirements

15:22:12 [jongund]

CS: Make sure it is clear int he bug tracker

15:22:39 [jongund]

GR: I am hoping by this effort I can identify with tabindex and command element ....

15:22:51 [jongund]

CS: That seems reasonable...

15:23:16 [jongund]

CS: Don't get upset if the bugs get pushed out

15:23:25 [oedipus]

ack JF

15:23:29 [jongund]

GR: The task force will be tracking these issues

15:24:00 [jongund]

JF: You mention spec ready text we need a change proposal, do we need to discuss hear

15:24:22 [MikeSmith]

yes, bugs

15:24:36 [kliehm]

s/discuss hear/discuss here/

15:24:40 [jongund]

GR: We discussed this briefly last week, mike says lodge things as bugs, because issues are hard to now

15:24:49 [jongund]

CS: Ian will want to work on bugs

15:24:58 [MikeSmith]

the chairs will also ask for separate specific bugs to be filed

15:25:08 [jongund]

GR: I will be doing both, I will put in bugs and develop spec ready text

15:25:33 [jongund]

CS: Make sure you make as HTML4 feature or new feature in HTML5

15:25:43 [MikeSmith]

w00t oedipus

15:25:51 [jongund]

JF: Thank you to GR from everybody

15:26:06 [jongund]

JS: I agree we are behind his efforts

15:26:21 [jongund]

TOPIC: Drag and Drop

15:26:32 [jongund]

JS: We have some developers here

15:26:40 [jongund]

JS: Can you give us a summary

15:27:09 [jongund]

??: I had a look at the drag and drop section

15:27:18 [jongund]

WHo is speaking?

15:27:20 [oedipus]

GJR's synopsis of where we are with HTML5 DnD versus ARIA Dnd http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0410.html

15:27:53 [jongund]

GL: The series of events are mouse based

15:28:21 [jongund]

GL: It is difficult to understand how to do this on the keyboard??

15:28:46 [jongund]

GL: Do the event processing need to be revised to support the keyboard \, like ARIA

15:29:07 [oedipus]

ACTION: Gregory - prepare detailed bugs against accesskey in HTML5, bugs seeking restoration of elements of accesskey from HTML4 that work and are deployed; will identify clearly whether bug refers to HTML4 or HTML5; in preparation for preparing spec ready text for accesskey; will tease out the issues pertaining to @tabindex and COMMAND element

15:29:08 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-62 - - prepare detailed bugs against accesskey in HTML5, bugs seeking restoration of elements of accesskey from HTML4 that work and are deployed; will identify clearly whether bug refers to HTML4 or HTML5; in preparation for preparing spec ready text for accesskey; will tease out the issues pertaining to @tabindex and COMMAND element [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2010-09-23].

15:29:21 [jongund]

GL: Something similar to ARIA with grabbable and drop targets

15:29:41 [jongund]

JF: The copy paste model seems to make more sense

15:29:52 [jongund]

CS: Does the developer need to write extra code

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15:30:03 [oedipus]

To make drag and drop accessible, HTML5 must:

15:30:05 [janina]

zakim, who's here?

15:30:05 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jongund, Janina, John_Foliot, Gregory_Rosmaita, Eric_Carlson, Mike, Everett_Zufelt, Michael_Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft], kliehm (muted), ??P5

15:30:06 [oedipus]

* first adequately define what can be achieved via copy and paste using drag and drop;

15:30:08 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has franko

15:30:09 [jongund]

JF: Yu should be able to identify target with HTML5

15:30:10 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Stevef, frankolivier, adrianba, oedipus, Gez, jongund, eric_carlson, JF, RRSAgent, kliehm, EverettZ, gfreed, MikeSmith, Judy, MichaelC, silvia, Zakim, janina, trackbot

15:30:10 [oedipus]

* define a copy and paste API in order to make drag and drop accessible; if that is not a viable solution, then the HTML5 drag and drop API MUST be amended to allow the workflow suggested for drag and drop in the WAI-ARIA Authoring Practices document: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#dragdrop

15:30:14 [jongund]

CS: Work is int he browser?

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15:30:21 [oedipus]

* first adequately define what can be achieved via copy and paste using drag and drop;

15:30:23 [oedipus]

* define a copy and paste API in order to make drag and drop accessible; if that is not a viable solution, then the HTML5 drag and drop API MUST be amended to allow the workflow suggested for drag and drop in the WAI-ARIA Authoring Practices document: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#dragdrop

15:30:23 [jongund]

GL: Yes in the browser

15:30:31 [oedipus]

q?

15:30:51 [jongund]

JS: Do you folks have any reaction to this?

15:30:51 [MikeSmith]

janina, Adrian Bateman is on as well

15:31:04 [MikeSmith]

q?

15:31:07 [jongund]

JS: We have this working for mouse and non-mouse controllers

15:31:17 [oedipus]

JCraig indicated that the ICITA ARIA DnD examples didn't work "normally" but work for me with JAWS 11/12

15:31:26 [jongund]

AB: The events in the spec provide 2 different things, source and target

15:31:44 [jongund]

AB: The second is providing feedback during the drag

15:31:56 [oedipus]

AB, http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#dragdrop

15:32:20 [jongund]

AB: Is the spec sufficient for providing information about drag and drop, is there something missing, is that the gap?

15:32:47 [jongund]

GL: Part of the sequence it povides feedback when you drag over with the mouse

15:33:07 [jongund]

AB: Is the gap is how to enumerate the drop targets?

15:33:10 [jongund]

GL: Yes

15:33:22 [oedipus]

next steps on drag and drop (Gez) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0056.html

15:33:30 [jongund]

AB: The order of events are different, some are dependent on how fast you move the mouse

15:33:57 [oedipus]

AB, there is no longer a copy and paste API in HTML5

15:33:57 [jongund]

AB: The real critical thing, comparing to copy and paste model, is the spec sufficient or does there need to be changes

15:34:24 [jongund]

GL: When these events fire, there need to be equivalent keyboard events

15:34:53 [jongund]

GL It is only one solution, so maybe it could be simulated in a copy and paste API

15:34:54 [oedipus]

AB, would have to either reinstate copy and paste API or have HTML5 follow the ARIA DnD workflow http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#dragdrop

15:35:07 [jongund]

GL: We don't want to have two apis

15:35:47 [jongund]

AB: Is is possible the spec provides enough information for the user agent to provide copy and paste functionality

15:36:01 [oedipus]

GJR has long believed that keyboard drag and drop is a copy-and-past or cut-and-paste operation

15:36:02 [jongund]

AB: If we have all we need, no change is needed

15:36:16 [jongund]

GL: I don't know the answer

15:36:27 [jongund]

AB: We need to find the answer to that question

15:36:47 [kliehm]

AB, the drag & drop event model does not seem to be very consistent from a JavaScript author's point of view.

15:37:09 [jongund]

GL: My gut feeling is there will need to be changes to the spec, we need someone from the browser side to review

15:37:35 [oedipus]

q+

15:37:48 [oedipus]

the only mention of copy and paste found in dev.w3.org/html5 is an example included in the introduction to the MENU element: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/interactive-elements.html#menus-intro which illustrates how to use the MENU element to create a toolbar styled as buttons with drop-down menues, in which the "Edit" button contains a "Copy" and a "Paste" item, controlled by javascript

15:37:50 [jongund]

JS: To move forward on this so need people to walk the events in different orders

15:38:18 [jongund]

GR: The only reference to copy and paste has only one reference and the example seems to have been removed

15:38:37 [oedipus]

s/example seems/the API seems/

15:38:48 [jongund]

JS: How do move forward to answering the question

15:38:49 [MikeSmith]

yes, the copy-and-paste section that was there is not there any longer

15:38:54 [MikeSmith]

q?

15:38:59 [oedipus]

ack oe

15:39:05 [jongund]

GL: I would be willing to work with adrian, I can't do myself

15:39:21 [jongund]

Frank: I think we can help

15:40:01 [jongund]

JS: That is a reasonable step, if you can do that we can get any bugs in by October 1st

15:40:04 [Zakim]

-??P5

15:40:09 [kliehm]

I found that one: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/dnd.html

15:40:13 [jongund]

JS: Are we satitisfied?

15:40:29 [JF]

+1

15:40:38 [jongund]

GR: I think GL has done his due diligence, I think it is a good way to move forward

15:40:41 [oedipus]

plus 1 and big thanks to gez

15:40:56 [jongund]

JS: Thank you Frank and Adrian for joining the meeting today

15:41:30 [jongund]

JS: We will come back to it next week, hopefully we will have some more clarity, we need to log bugs by October 1st

15:41:45 [jongund]

TOPIC: Actions review and sub team status

15:41:54 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus

15:42:15 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus

15:43:12 [jongund]

MC: Reviewing open actino items

15:43:39 [kliehm]

s/actino/action/

15:43:52 [jongund]

GR: That text has been up there since june, I want to potentially use the space to mark them for stuff that needs to be in steves done

15:44:17 [jongund]

GR: It is techically done, but I need to talk to steve

15:44:54 [jongund]

CS: That was a huge battle, is it going to happen

15:45:16 [jongund]

JS: Issue 66 was turned down, image hueristics

15:45:29 [jongund]

MC: This action is open or closed state?

15:45:36 [jongund]

JS: I think we should close it

15:45:47 [oedipus]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Alt_tech_appendix

15:45:48 [jongund]

JS: Probably open a new action

15:45:51 [MichaelC]

close action-28

15:45:51 [trackbot]

ACTION-28 - prepare text for SteveF's guidance document about future of data-mining using RDFPic methodology outlined in post to list closed

15:45:55 [jongund]

MC: Any objection?

15:45:58 [jongund]

GR: No

15:46:20 [jongund]

MC: Auto complete consistent with ARIA?

15:46:26 [jongund]

JS: Steve is not here

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15:46:40 [jongund]

MC: Provide back ground support for drag and drop?

15:46:46 [Zakim]

-Mike

15:47:01 [MichaelC]

close action-57

15:47:01 [trackbot]

ACTION-57 Provide background keyboard support for drag and drop (3 weeks) closed

15:47:03 [jongund]

JS: I think this has been overcome by events, now that GL and AB are connected

15:47:05 [jongund]

JS: Close

15:47:16 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, call Mike

15:47:16 [Zakim]

ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made

15:47:18 [Zakim]

+Mike

15:47:26 [jongund]

MC: Action 58 can anyone post to HTML list?

15:47:33 [jongund]

JS: Still open

15:47:35 [oedipus]

action-58?

15:47:35 [trackbot]

ACTION-58 -- Michael(tm) Smith to - ascertain if can allow posting to public-html-a11y by anyone subscribed to public-html -- due 2010-09-16 -- OPEN

15:47:35 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/58

15:47:50 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, Mike is me

15:47:50 [Zakim]

+MikeSmith; got it

15:47:57 [MichaelC]

action-58: duplicate of action-59

15:47:57 [trackbot]

ACTION-58 - ascertain if can allow posting to public-html-a11y by anyone subscribed to public-html notes added

15:48:00 [MichaelC]

close action-58

15:48:00 [trackbot]

ACTION-58 - ascertain if can allow posting to public-html-a11y by anyone subscribed to public-html closed

15:48:02 [jongund]

JS: Sounds like a duplicate, so we will keep 59

15:48:04 [oedipus]

action-59?

15:48:04 [trackbot]

ACTION-59 -- Michael(tm) Smith to check into making it possible for any HTML WG member to post to the a11y TF list -- due 2010-09-16 -- OPEN

15:48:04 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/59

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MC: The next 3 actions are not due yet

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JS: Tahnk you

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TOPIC: SubTeam reports

15:49:04 [jongund]

JS: Martin will be the chair

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+1 with oedipus

15:49:17 [jongund]

JS: Is there any update beyond the leadership?

15:49:51 [jongund]

MK: So on this weeks 8 ..., discussed them and MC made updated them

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[BUGS] Minutes of the HTML Accessibility TF Bug Triage Sub-Team, 14 September 2010 Martin Kliehm) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0409.html

15:50:04 [jongund]

MK: We will be doing home work for info box

15:50:49 [jongund]

MK: The bug triage team is trying to keep up with the bug filling, I will try recruiting more people at a conference next week

15:51:04 [jongund]

MK: There will be more people

15:51:24 [jongund]

JS: Wunderful, october is not that far away

15:51:40 [jongund]

MK: Meetings are on tuesdays

15:51:55 [jongund]

JS: This is great, people have been asking about participation

15:52:24 [jongund]

MK: We have some technical constraints of two lines from UK, we have more people from UK

15:52:42 [Zakim]

-MikeSmith

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JS: That is a problem for all people in W3C, W3C needs to get more lines

15:53:08 [jongund]

JS: We do have high European participation on the team

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CS: It is a hard time for me to come at that time, but I will try to come

15:53:40 [JF]

JF offers to buy Cyns coffee

15:53:41 [jongund]

CS: I will try to get there every other week

15:54:14 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, call Mike

15:54:14 [Zakim]

ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made

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+Mike

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JS: What other groups need some direction from the TF

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JS: ARIA sub mapping??

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CS: We met Tuesday and Ian asked for individual bugs and we have gone through the bugs to see what is fixed

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CS: We have an early draft or ARIA to HTML5 mapping, trying to get it into W3C space, so we have something to share as bugs are closed

15:55:51 [jongund]

CS: We can use more people

15:55:53 [Stevef]

maciej sent out update today: on ARIA bugs: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0189.html

15:56:04 [jongund]

JS: The blank page is the toughest part

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CS: The hard part is figuring our what other info is needed

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JS: Questions?

15:56:30 [Stevef]

i sent out minor update: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0190.html

15:56:35 [oedipus]

CYA change proposal: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/restore4a11y

15:56:38 [jongund]

JS: CANVAS update

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas

15:57:27 [jongund]

JS: We had made recommendation, a more generic solution was suggested, which would include the default situation, we decided it was quicksand

15:57:29 [Zakim]

-Mike

15:58:20 [jongund]

JS: Something that is additional work, it is beyond the accessibility work, we decided at our coordination meetings, and the chairs will back up to issue 74

15:58:37 [frankolivier]

q+

15:58:38 [jongund]

JS: Include the image map proposal from CMN

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q-

15:59:39 [jongund]

JS: Media group is working on how to take the features and move them into technology recommendations

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JF: We are trying to map the requirements to WCAG 2.0 requirements, developing a must, should, may effort

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JF: We should have a detailed report

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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-Michael_Cooper

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-Gez_Lemon

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-Janina

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-kliehm

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-Everett_Zufelt

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-jongund

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JS: Thank you everybody's help, your work is appreciated

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-John_Foliot

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-[Microsoft]

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-Gregory_Rosmaita

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regrets+ Kenny_Johar,Joshue_O'Connor,Denis_Boudreau

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zakim, please part

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Janina, jongund, John_Foliot, Gregory_Rosmaita, Eric_Carlson, Michael_Cooper, Everett_Zufelt, kliehm, Gez_Lemon, Cynthia_Shelly,

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-html-a11y-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Gregory - prepare detailed bugs against accesskey in HTML5, bugs seeking restoration of elements of accesskey from HTML4 that work and are deployed; will identify clearly whether bug refers to HTML4 or HTML5; in preparation for preparing spec ready text for accesskey; will tease out the issues pertaining to @tabindex and COMMAND element [1]

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