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15:59:22 <ericP> zakim, this will be hcls2
15:59:22 <Zakim> ok, ericP; I see SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
15:59:41 <ericP> interesting
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16:00:42 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
16:00:42 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
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16:01:45 <michel> zakim, P0 is michel
16:01:57 <Zakim> sorry, michel, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
16:02:11 <michel> zakimm, ??P0 is michel
16:02:29 <michel> zakim, ??P0 is michel
16:02:35 <Zakim> +michel; got it
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16:04:28 <michel> Zakim, IPcaller is matthias_samwald
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16:06:20 <ericP> Zakim, +1.617.993.aaaa is joanne
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16:11:59 <michel> michel hasn't been able to discuss the lodd datasets with anja
16:12:12 <michel> will have to use current datasets for the paper
16:12:25 <michel> topic: patient data 
16:12:52 <michel> michel: extensive discussion on hcls mailing list about how to represent measurements
16:13:34 <michel> ericP: comes down to minimal representation that specifies units in the predicate or more explicit representation where one can construct the necessary information
16:14:28 <michel> joanne: what is the use case
16:15:56 <michel> ericP: if we standardize a shoe ontology - the units for shoe size are "cm", then should the relation indicate that this is the unit, or do you let people potentially specify any unit
16:16:10 <michel>  ... and use OWL reasoner to check consistency
16:18:12 <michel>  ... information might not be appropriate constrained to the expected unit
16:18:54 <michel>  ... heterogeneous representations e.g. dublic core author can accept uri, string, etc
16:19:14 <michel>  ... causes problems for data consistency and querying
16:20:14 <michel>  ... might be too complicated
16:20:51 <michel> joanne: who are the users? would they be confused? would user interfaces possibly constrain it
16:21:04 <michel> ericP: post-uptake should not be a problem
16:23:20 <michel>  ... once there is a standard, and it's well documented ...
16:24:09 <michel>  ... cost is on pre-uptake - can learn by example
16:37:47 <matthias_samwald> (i need to leave the call now - bye!)
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16:41:27 <Zakim> -joanne
16:58:17 <michel> michel: communities are creating ontologies of types, so leave the predicates more general, and refer to the types
16:58:30 <michel> ericP: question of pre-reasoning and post-reasoning
16:58:54 <michel>  ... can people specify and find the data without reasoning, because post-reasoning everything equals out
16:59:43 <michel> kerstin: next the contextual data associated with the measurement values
17:01:03 <michel> ericP: look by example - i can stick more data in the semweb graph
17:32:17 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
17:32:20 <Zakim> -EricP
17:32:21 <Zakim> -michel
17:32:23 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM has ended
17:32:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Kerstin_Forsberg, EricP, michel, matthias_samwald, joanne
17:33:02 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:33:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-hcls2-minutes.html ericP
17:33:06 <ericP> RRSAgent, please minutes
17:33:06 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please minutes', ericP.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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