IRC log of au on 2010-09-16

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-au-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be AUWG
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Meeting: Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 September 2010
13:26:52 [Zakim]
ok, trackbot, I see WAI_AUWG(AUWG_F2F)8:30AM already started
13:27:06 [jeanne]
zakim, who is here?
13:27:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Jeanne
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, jeanne, Jan, trackbot
13:27:28 [jeanne]
Jeanne also has Jutta, Sueann, Greg, Jan
13:32:08 [jeanne]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2010/ED-ATAG20-20100914/MASTER-20100914.html
13:32:32 [jeanne]
zakim, who is here?
13:32:32 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Jeanne
13:32:33 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, jeanne, Jan, trackbot
13:32:41 [jeanne]
zakim, code?
13:32:41 [Zakim]
the conference code is 28941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), jeanne
13:33:15 [gpisocky]
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13:34:15 [Jan]
We are starting a triage of comments.
13:34:23 [Zakim]
+ +1.703.883.aaaa
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-Jeanne
13:34:46 [Jan]
MASTER: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2010/ED-ATAG20-20100914/MASTER-20100914.html
13:35:05 [jeanne]
zakim, aaaa is Adobe_meeting
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+Adobe_meeting; got it
13:35:31 [jeanne]
zakim, Adobe_meeting has Jutta, Jan, Jeanne, Greg, Sueann
13:35:31 [Zakim]
+Jutta, Jan, Jeanne, Greg, Sueann; got it
13:35:38 [Jan]
Comment table: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/att-0084/atag20-8Jul10LC-comments-rev4.html
13:43:53 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make logs public
13:44:03 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
13:44:03 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-au-minutes.html jeanne
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13:54:52 [jeanne]
action: jeanne to respond to Oracle (Peter Wallach) to ask what the points of conflict with 508 with ATAG, and that 508 cannot be referenced in an international standard.
13:54:53 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-290 - Respond to Oracle (Peter Wallach) to ask what the points of conflict with 508 with ATAG, and that 508 cannot be referenced in an international standard. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23].
13:57:13 [jeanne]
Group discussed the Oracle request for reference to 508 in Part A. The group agreed that 508 is a national standard that is not appropriate in an international standard.
13:58:41 [jeanne]
SN and GP argued that we have to limit the number of standards being referenced, because vendors will not try to meet all of them. Vendors will meet 508 first, because that is market driven.
14:17:15 [jeanne]
topic: WCAG Accessibility supported
14:17:37 [jeanne]
group discussed how to make the qualification to WCAG more clear
14:18:23 [jeanne]
several alternatives were discussed. Propose to substitute "meet" for "conform"
14:19:04 [jeanne]
topic: Triage continutes
14:19:21 [jeanne]
s/Triage continutes/Triage continues
14:23:34 [ARonksley]
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-Adobe_meeting
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WAI_AUWG(AUWG_F2F)8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Jeanne, +1.703.883.aaaa, Jutta, Jan, Greg, Sueann
14:39:21 [jeanne]
topic: Email Client as an Authoring Tool
14:39:55 [jeanne]
Discussion that tools may also do other things, such as adding content that isn't web content.
14:40:20 [jeanne]
In that case, the authoring tools do not apply as it is outside the scope.
14:53:24 [jeanne]
action: Jeanne to add Flex and Silverlight to the definition examples of Web Content Technologies.
14:53:25 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-291 - Add Flex and Silverlight to the definition examples of Web Content Technologies. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23].
14:56:37 [jeanne]
topic: variations from WCAG
14:57:22 [jeanne]
If there is an SC that goes beyond WCAG, we must show that it is necesary for Authoring Tool accessibility. If not, we should harmonize with WCAG 2
15:26:15 [jeanne]
action: gp to write a proposal for a definition of "additional information"
15:26:15 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-292 - Write a proposal for a definition of "additional information" [on Greg Pisocky - due 2010-09-23].
15:29:13 [jeanne]
topic: IBM comment 17
15:30:10 [jeanne]
SN: How does someone determine the way the accessibility of mashup information? When you exchange information you have to say how accessibility is communicated?
15:31:18 [jeanne]
JR: The pieces of the mashup are going to be in some piece of technology where the original author may or may not have done. We say that you only have to be responsible for information you can edit.
15:31:34 [jeanne]
TB: It is an issue of how the authoring tool is going to use it.
15:36:47 [jeanne]
JR: Example - a PNG file has metadata. A HTML editor can take the PNG and put it in the document and just identify that "blob" to the user.
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16:11:38 [jeanne]
Action: Jeanne to remove 3.7.1. (MS comment #17) and add a comment from to 3.1.2 mentioning previews
16:11:38 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-293 - Remove 3.7.1. (MS comment #17) and add a comment from to 3.1.2 mentioning previews [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23].
16:24:53 [jeanne]
action: jeanne to add "save" to the example to the definition of Authoring Action
16:24:54 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-294 - Add "save" to the example to the definition of Authoring Action [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23].
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17:44:57 [Jan]
We're back
17:50:13 [jeanne]
we are continuing to triage the comments. We are currently starting the Level A Part B requirements.
17:50:38 [jeanne]
we are moving quickly and not taking notes unless there is a detailed discussion.
17:50:59 [jeanne]
The decisions are being recorded in the comments document
17:51:32 [jeanne]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/att-0084/atag20-8Jul10LC-comments-rev4.html
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but it is being updated offline.