IRC log of html-wg on 2010-09-02
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be html_wg
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- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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- Date: 02 September 2010
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- HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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- +dsinger
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- +Sam
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- Zakim, mute dsinger
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- dsinger should now be muted
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- + +1.732.859.aaaa
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- +Matt_May
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- +Radhika_Roy
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- +[Microsoft]
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- Zakim, Microsoft is me
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- +eliot; got it
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +[Microsoft.a]
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- Zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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- +Eric_Carlson
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- +paulc; got it
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- Zakim, Microsoft.a is krisk
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- Sam: are you ready to scribe?
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- +krisk; got it
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- -dsinger
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- scribe: rubys
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- chair: paulc
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- +dsinger
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- +Julian_Reschke
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- zakim, call janina
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- ok, janina; the call is being made
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- +Janina
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- topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, Sep 2
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- ACTION items due by Thursday, Sep 2
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - items
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- action-185?
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- ACTION-185 -- Michael(tm) Smith to ... for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc -- due 2010-09-02 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/185
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- Title: ACTION-185 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:06:03 [Julian]
- q+
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- ack Julian
- 16:06:28 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- julian: mike send out email this morning, and his action can be closed.
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- paulc: public links?
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- http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/link-relations/current/msg00080.html
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- Title: Re: [link-relations] NEW RELATION REQUEST: Relation name: "next" (at www.ietf.org)
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- Zakim, Mike is me
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- +MikeSmith; got it
- 16:07:12 [rubys]
- close action-185
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- ACTION-185 ... for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc closed
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- topic: 2. New Issues This Week
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- ISSUE-118?
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- ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
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- Title: ISSUE-118 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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- +[Microsoft.a]
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- zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
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- +adrianba; got it
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- paulc: this issue arrived in the last 24 hours
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- topic: Items Closed Last Week
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- paulc: none
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- topic: Items Closing This week
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- issue-110?
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- ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110
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- Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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- Closes on Sep 4
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- paulc call for counter proposals for issue 110 closes on sept 4
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- topic: Items Closing Next Week
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- paulc: none
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- topic: Outstanding Calls for Proposals
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- issue-117?
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- ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117
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- +Maciej
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- Title: ISSUE-117 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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- Closes on Sep 27
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- topic: Issue updates
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- issue-85?
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- ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
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- Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:09:46 [rubys]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_id=10463,8000,10451,10467,10445,10438,10486,10462,10450,10441,10496,10452,10485,10464,10444,10487,10446,10479,10440,10447,10449,10493,10439,10465,10448,10494,10478
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- Title: Bug List (at www.w3.org)
- 16:10:19 [rubys]
- mjs: there are a number of individual bugs representing the differences between the proposal and the current draft
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- mjs: some have been initially addressed (some applied to the spec, and some rejected, some reopened)
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- mjs: hopefully we will get them addressed soon; I'll be sending a written status to the WG shortly.
- 16:11:30 [paulc]
- What is the schedule going forward?
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- paulc: the chairs originally gave today as the deadline as to when the chairs decide what the next steps are
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- mjs: so far the process seems to be making progress
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- mjs: the original target was 30 days from when the editor asked for more information
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- paulc: that was probably two weeks ago
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- paulc: the chairs will emphasize to the editor the need to respond to these existing bugs
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- paulc: the TF wants to concentrate efforts on this, and wants a schedule going forward
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- issue-116?
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- ISSUE-116 -- provide reference and info about HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives in html5 spec -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/116
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- Title: ISSUE-116 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:15:04 [rubys]
- rubys: James Graham indicates that he has made the changes but hasn't tested them He intended to do so last night, but didn't manage. He plans to complete this tonight. Once complete, my plans are still to send out a call for consensus based on that result.
- 16:15:22 [rubys]
- paulc: so we can see a CfC as early as the end of the week?
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- rubys: yes
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- issue-41?
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- ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
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- Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:16:02 [rubys]
- paulc: the chairs have a pending piece of work to review the three remaining change proposals to ensure that they are up to our level of quality
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- paulc: we don't want to issue a survey with incomplete proposals; we have had that action for 3 weeks, and we had intended to have that done today
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- topic: Testing Task force report, Kris K
- 16:18:00 [krisk]
- We met as planned last week -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Aug/0010.html
- 16:18:01 [pimpbot]
- Title: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 8/24/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-08-24 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
- 16:18:43 [krisk]
- We approved the getElementsByClassName tests
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- How many were approved? Kris:18
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- Though for tests that can pass/fail via script (e.g. getElementsClassName) are ran via the test runner without having to click pass/fail
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- Their was more discussion on 'ref' tests
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- and how these 'ref' test or visual test can be automated
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- additionally we approved 25 more of Philip Taylors Canvas tests
- 16:21:53 [paulc]
- Does the current results page represent all the currently approved tests?
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- +[Apple]
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- -dsinger
- 16:23:03 [krisk]
- The link is http://test.w3.org/html/tests/reporting/report.htm for test results
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- Title: HTML5 Conformance Test Results (at test.w3.org)
- 16:23:12 [dsinger]
- zakim, [apple] has dsinger
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- +dsinger; got it
- 16:23:27 [krisk]
- It is fine feedback to add a date to the page when the result was last ran
- 16:24:06 [rubys]
- paulc: it is nearly to the point where you need to be versioning either the test suite itself or the results.
- 16:24:07 [paulc]
- I suggest you version or date the test suite and the results page.
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- topic: Accessibility Task Force report, Janina
- 16:24:43 [MikeSmith]
- it's 01:24 in Japan
- 16:25:16 [paulc]
- Nice
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- time zones are hard on the brain.
- 16:25:57 [rubys]
- janina: the main new news is that over August we have formulated a subteam to address the bugs that have been entered against a11y.
- 16:26:43 [paulc]
- Bugs sub-group minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0047.html
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- Title: [BUGS] Minutes Bug Triage sub-team 31 August 2010 from Michael Cooper on 2010-09-02 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
- 16:27:18 [janina]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
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- Title: Media Accessibility User Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
- 16:27:29 [paulc]
- Requirements proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0329.html
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- Title: RE: Media Accessibility User Requirements Published from Paul Cotton on 2010-08-26 (public-html@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
- 16:28:13 [rubys]
- janina: we are eager to engage wider discussion as the implications of the requirements are fairly significant
- 16:29:23 [rubys]
- janina: in some cases the accommodations are older than the web, and has a rich history and is widely deployed.
- 16:30:52 [rubys]
- janina: this is a user interface requirement, not a user agent or authoring requirement, or an inventory of what is or is not supported.
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- janina: we are not expecting all user agents to support all of the accommodations; there is a wide variety of devices out there
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- janina: the intro contains these caveats
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- janina: section categorizes types of disabilities
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- s/section/section 1/
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- +Laura_Carlson
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- janina: section2 describes the types of accommodations and alternative media
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- janina: section 3 describes the system requirements
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- janina: section 2.1 covers "Described video", a term that goes back to broadcast media; primarily for people who don't see well.
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- janina?
- 16:35:56 [MikeSmith]
- janina, we lost your voice
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- Janina: are you still there?
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- zakim, drop janina
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- Janina is being disconnected
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- -Janina
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- zakim, call janina
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- ok, janina; the call is being made
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- +Janina
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- -Janina
- 16:38:18 [pimpbot]
- bugmail: [Bug 10533] New: Remove section, it's in CSSOM <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0075.html>
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- planet: Drumbeat: what’s next? <11http://commonspace.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/drumbeatnext/>
- 16:38:43 [MikeSmith]
- janina, ready?
- 16:40:29 [paulc]
- Waiting for janina to solve her connection or audio problem.
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- Nothing else on the agenda
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- I put this at the end of the agenda on purpose.
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- q+
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- ack dsinger
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- ack next
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- dsinger: the CSS WG is considering using media queries to select sources based on accessibility needs
- 16:44:40 [rubys]
- topic: Other business
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- paulc: none
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- topic: Scribe for next meeting
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- Maciej is due to chair next week.
- 16:45:21 [rubys]
- adrian will scribe
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- topic: Adjournment
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- ... adjourned, with apologies to the audio difficulties
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- -Radhika_Roy
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- -[Apple]
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- - +1.732.859.aaaa
- 16:46:18 [paulc]
- Adjourned at 12:46
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- -krisk
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- -Eric_Carlson
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- -adrianba
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- - +1.971.998.aabb
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- -Julian_Reschke
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- -Laura_Carlson
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- -Matt_May
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- rrsagent, publish minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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- -eliot
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- Zakim, drop Mike
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- MikeSmith is being disconnected
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- -MikeSmith
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- -Sam
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Maciej
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- HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were dsinger, Sam, +1.732.859.aaaa, Matt_May, Radhika_Roy, eliot, +1.971.998.aabb, Eric_Carlson, paulc, krisk, Michael_Cooper, Julian_Reschke, Janina, MikeSmith,
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- ... [Microsoft], adrianba, Maciej, Laura_Carlson
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- @notes
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- MikeSmith: I currently have notes waiting for annevk and reset.
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- bugmail: [Bug 7721] Drag and Drop is not keyboard accessible <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0076.html>
- 18:38:51 [pimpbot]
- planet: Google Developer Day 2010 Agenda: Android, Chrome & HTML5 and Cloud Platform <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/46zrnjr-rk8/google-developer-day-2010-agenda.html>
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- bugmail: [Bug 10535] Don't throw WRONG_DOCUMENT_ERRs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0079.html> 4** [Bug 10536] New: Don't throw WRONG_DOCUMENT_ERRs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0078.html> 4** [Bug 10535] New: Don't throw WRONG_DOCUMENT_ERRs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0077.html>
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- 'planet: 1K+ preorders for "HTML5: Up and Running" spiked its launch week numbers off the charts. Open publishing works, yo. http://oreil.ly/bmJi8B <\x0311http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/22820627810\x0f> \x034\x02**\x0f HTML5: Up and Running \n - O\'Reilly Media <\x0311http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596806033/\x0f>'
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- bugmail: [Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0080.html>
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- bugmail: "[Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0082.html>
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- bugmail: "[Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element" (4 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0083.html>
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- bugmail: "[Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element" (6 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0085.html>
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- bugmail: [Bug 10537] New: document.readyState for aborted parser <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0089.html>
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