14:57:44 RRSAgent has joined #audio 14:57:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/08/23-audio-irc 14:58:11 RRSAgent, stop 14:58:19 RRSAgent, stop 16:00:47 Dick has joined #audio 16:01:23 dpenkler has joined #audio 16:01:24 Zakim, what conferences do you see? 16:01:24 I see SW_HCLS(BioRDF)11:00AM, Team_(newstd)15:30Z, INC_(Audio XG)12:00PM, VB_VBWG(CCXML)11:00AM, MM_MMI()11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TERM)12:00PM active 16:01:27 also scheduled at this time is Team_(Jeff)11:00AM 16:02:01 zakim, this is INC_(Audio XG)12:00PM 16:02:01 ok, Al; that matches INC_(Audio XG)12:00PM 16:02:21 zakim, what is the conference code? 16:02:21 the conference code is 28346 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Al 16:02:43 + +1.206.819.aacc 16:02:43 Zakim, who is here? 16:02:45 On the phone I see +1.650.965.aaaa, Eric_Carlson, +1.617.584.aabb, +1.206.819.aacc 16:02:47 On IRC I see dpenkler, Dick, eric_carlson, MGood, Zakim, Al, RRSAgent, corban, MikeSmith, shepazu, Peter, f1lt3r, matt, trackbot 16:03:02 yes, good morning all. i'm on the telecon also. 16:03:14 aabb is Al 16:03:20 Zakim, aabb is Al 16:03:20 +Al; got it 16:03:23 +[HP] 16:03:26 Zakim, aaaa is MGood 16:03:26 +MGood; got it 16:03:47 zakim, aacc is Dick 16:03:47 +Dick; got it 16:03:52 Zakim, who is here? 16:03:53 Zakim, HP is dpenkler 16:03:54 On the phone I see MGood, Eric_Carlson, Al, Dick, [HP] 16:03:56 On IRC I see dpenkler, Dick, eric_carlson, MGood, Zakim, Al, RRSAgent, corban, MikeSmith, shepazu, Peter, f1lt3r, matt, trackbot 16:03:59 +dpenkler; got it 16:06:21 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/audio/track/ 16:06:38 q? 16:07:18 + +1.510.334.aadd 16:07:59 Zakim, aadd is Chris Rogers 16:07:59 I don't understand 'aadd is Chris Rogers', Al 16:11:06 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/audio/wiki/Join_the_Audio_Incubator 16:11:25 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/audio/wiki/ 16:12:43 agenda-1? 16:13:09 Zakim, agenda-1? 16:13:09 please refer to agenda item by number, Al 16:13:48 Chris Rogers: I have noticed that Mozilla are pushing Data API in Firefox4. 16:13:57 Al: I believe that is true. 16:15:28 Chris Rogers: It will be exciting to see that people can play with these APIs. It might be akward that there are multiple APIs out there. 16:16:25 eric_carlson: I agree with Chris, I think it's unfortunate. I assume that the API will be Mozilla prefixed. It's a shame that we've been making good progress and havn't had a chance to dicuss this. 16:16:49 Al: Yes it is definitely prefexed with "moz" 16:17:56 Chris Rogers: I think this may slow down the standardization process, perhaps adding complications. And I find it unusual that Dave Humphrey has not participated in the group. 16:21:37 Chris Rogers: We are where we are, we should still work towards common interests. We'll work slowly as developments come up and keep discussins on the list. 16:21:54 Al: I will ask Dave if he intends to participate in the group. 16:22:17 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:22:17 agendum 2. "AudioNode.js: have Corban's audionode.js demos updated to work with the latest Mozilla build?" taken up [from Al] 16:22:44 Al: Corban is not present, lets dicuss this in the next meeting. 16:22:48 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:22:48 agendum 2 was just opened, Al 16:22:59 Zakim, close agendum 16:22:59 I don't understand 'close agendum', Al 16:23:09 Zakim, close this agendum 16:23:09 agendum 2 closed 16:23:10 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:23:12 3. BBC are offering use-case sessions, see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-audio/2010Aug/0018.html, how can we facilitate this? [from Al] 16:26:36 Chris Rogers: Lets ask the BBC to define what use cases they would relevant. 16:27:11 Chris Rogers: I suggest we provide both lists of uses cases on the use-cases page. 16:27:19 Al: I will update this. 16:28:43 Chris Rogers: It's useful to look at all the types of audio on the desktop, and ask is it conceivable to implement this using a Web API. Secondly we should look at what is avilable on the web, such as cloud-based services and think about how they could be used for collaborative applications. 16:29:07 Zakim, close this agemdum 16:29:07 I don't understand 'close this agemdum', Al 16:29:10 Zakim, close this agendum 16:29:10 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Al 16:29:30 Zakim, close this agendum 16:29:30 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Al 16:29:43 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:29:43 agendum 3. "BBC are offering use-case sessions, see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-audio/2010Aug/0018.html, how can we facilitate this?" taken up [from Al] 16:29:47 Zakim, close this agendum 16:29:47 agendum 3 closed 16:29:48 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:29:50 4. User-feedback suggestions on Wiki: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/audio/wiki/User-feedback, needs completing, reviewing. [from Al] 16:31:32 MGood, I can review that for you. 16:31:39 Al: thanks. 16:31:43 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:31:43 agendum 4. "User-feedback suggestions on Wiki: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/audio/wiki/User-feedback, needs completing, reviewing." taken up [from Al] 16:31:50 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:31:50 agendum 4 was just opened, Al 16:31:56 Zakim, close this agendum 16:31:56 agendum 4 closed 16:31:57 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:31:59 5. General progress with webkit/chrome node-spec? [from Al] 16:32:01 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:32:01 agendum 5. "General progress with webkit/chrome node-spec?" taken up [from Al] 16:33:56 Chris Rogers: The latest development is that I added JavaScript audio node (sending the buffer to JavaScript) and documentation in the spec for that. It illustrates JavaScript processing. And I have been generally cleaning up the spec over the last couple of weeks and I have organised the use-case section. 16:34:45 Al: You can see links to Chri's progress here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/audio/track/actions/4 16:36:04 Chris Rogers: The example, though simple, would allow you to port any mozila (buffer based) api demos to the node-based API. 16:36:27 Zakim, close this agendum 16:36:27 agendum 5 closed 16:36:28 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:36:30 6. General progress with mozilla/firefox buffer-spec? [from Al] 16:36:40 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:36:40 agendum 6. "General progress with mozilla/firefox buffer-spec?" taken up [from Al] 16:37:35 Al : As dicussed above, Mozilla have pushed the Audio Data API towards the trunk. Corban is unfortunately not present today, we will dicuss this more next meeting. 16:37:44 Zakim, close this agendum 16:37:44 agendum 6 closed 16:37:45 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:37:47 7. Creating a suitable test that compares performance of the native audio-node approach with the buffer-only approach. [from Al] 16:37:49 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:37:49 agendum 7. "Creating a suitable test that compares performance of the native audio-node approach with the buffer-only approach." taken up [from Al] 16:39:31 Chris Rogers: I have made some measurements. We should keep in mind, CPU usage and latency. 16:42:00 Chris Rogers: The measurements I am making are based on the JavaScript FFT code from the mozilla builds. I am seeing between 5-10% CPU usage for spacializing a single source on top of the line hardware (processing in JavaScript). 16:42:35 Chris Rogers: Doing this natively uses 1% or less in my tests. 16:43:51 - +1.510.334.aadd 16:44:00 Chris Rogers: It will be possible to do a lot of audio tasks in JavaScipt, but when you add things like graphics and physics in JavaScript, it tends to bog down the CPU. 16:44:21 + +1.510.334.aaee 16:44:44 Zakim, aaee is "Chris Rogers" 16:44:44 I don't understand 'aaee is "Chris Rogers"', Al 16:48:26 Zakim, close this agendum 16:48:26 agendum 7 closed 16:48:27 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:48:28 8. Provide side-by-side code-examples that demonstrate the simplest method of achieving a basic task with the buffer & node based specs. [from Al] 16:48:33 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:48:33 agendum 8. "Provide side-by-side code-examples that demonstrate the simplest method of achieving a basic task with the buffer & node based specs." taken up [from Al] 16:49:25 1) Getting audio from a source, silently. 16:49:25 2) Swapping the left and right channels of the audio. 16:49:25 3) Listening to the resulting swapped channels. 16:51:48 Chris Rogers: in the case that you gave with swapping two channels and would be very similar (if not identical) in both specs. But the node based spec could use the node based splitter and merger. 16:52:50 Al: Chris R. could you work on this action with Corban? 16:55:13 Chris Rogers: Yes I could do this with Corban. 16:55:23 Al: We'll talk about this more on the mailling list. 16:56:14 Zakim, close this agendum 16:56:14 agendum 8 closed 16:56:15 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 16:56:17 9. Frequency & focus of group meetings. [from Al] 16:56:28 Zakim, move to next agendum 16:56:28 agendum 9. "Frequency & focus of group meetings." taken up [from Al] 16:56:42 Al: Should we increase the meeting frequency from bi-weekly to weekly? 16:58:01 Chris Rogers: I would prefer to use the mailing list to increase the activity. 16:58:08 MGood: I agree with Chris. 16:58:34 Al: None else? OK lets do that. 16:58:40 Zakim, close this agendum 16:58:40 agendum 9 closed 16:58:41 I see nothing remaining on the agenda 16:59:22 -dpenkler 16:59:41 -MGood 16:59:42 - +1.510.334.aaee 16:59:43 -Eric_Carlson 16:59:49 -Dick 16:59:52 -Al 16:59:53 INC_(Audio XG)12:00PM has ended 16:59:55 Attendees were +1.650.965.aaaa, +1.617.584.aabb, Eric_Carlson, +1.206.819.aacc, Al, MGood, Dick, dpenkler, +1.510.334.aadd, +1.510.334.aaee 17:00:46 RRSAgent, meeting: Audio Incubator Group Teleconference 17:00:46 I'm logging. I don't understand 'meeting: Audio Incubator Group Teleconference', Al. Try /msg RRSAgent help 17:00:56 meeting: Audio Incubator Group Teleconference 17:01:31 RRSAgent, stop