IRC log of tagmem on 2010-08-19
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be TAG
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- ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
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- Date: 19 August 2010
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0024.html
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- zakim, please call ht-781
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started
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- +Ht
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Ht
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- :-(
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- +Noah_Mendelsohn
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Ht, Noah_Mendelsohn
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- On IRC I see noah, Zakim, RRSAgent, ht, Ashok, timbl, Yves, trackbot
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- +Jonathan_Rees
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Ht (muted), Noah_Mendelsohn, Ashok_Malhotra, Jonathan_Rees
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- On IRC I see noah, Zakim, RRSAgent, ht, Ashok, timbl, Yves, trackbot
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- +Yves
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- Scribe: Yves
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- Regrets for the next 2 Thursdays -- travel/vacation
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- jar has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/08/19-agenda (jar)
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- Topic: Agenda
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- next meeting on the 26th
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- scribe will be ht
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- Topic: Minutes approval
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- minutes of Aug 12 are approved
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- Topic: Administrative
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- TAG status report published to the world
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- Topic: Dev Feedback Camp
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- From DanA: On developer camp, no new information, other than that I have not had a lot of luck finding a venue.
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- Topic: HttpRedirections-57
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0014.html
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- Yves: would be good to wait for timbl and Larry to further discuss this issue
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- Topic: rdfURIMeaning-39-27 Generic Fragment ID
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- s/ID/ID Processing/
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- yves: xhtml+xml is compatible with generic processing
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- yves: svg+xml has no conflict with xpointer generic processing
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- q+ to say that sounds good
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- noah: is xhtml forbidding xpointer?
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- yves: no, xhmtl is just defining id, and how they are used in frags
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- ack next
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- ht, you wanted to say that sounds good
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- ht: in the xhtml case, in practise, it is fine as bare names is what you will fine
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- I'd like to scribe that more carefully: I (Henry) >think< (but need to check) that the minimum conformance requirement for the XPointer framework is barenames
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- s/fine/find/
- 17:21:48 [noah]
- From 3023bis:
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- A family of specifications define fragment identifiers for XML media types. A modular syntax and semantics of fragment identifiers for the XML media types is as defined by the [XPointerFramework] (Grosso, P., Maler, E., Marsh, J., and N. Walsh, “XPointer Framework,” March 2003.) W3C Recommendation. It allows simple names, and more complex constructions based on named schemes. The syntax of a fragment identifier part of any URI or IRI with a retrieved media t
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- Conformant applications MUST interpret such fragment identifiers as designating that part of the retrieved representation specified by [XPointerFramework] (Grosso, P., Maler, E., Marsh, J., and N. Walsh, “XPointer Framework,” March 2003.) and whatever other specifications define any XPointer schemes
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- Conformant applications MUST support the 'element' scheme as defined in [XPointerElement] (Grosso, P., Maler, E., Marsh, J., and N. Walsh, “XPointer element() Scheme,” March 2003.).
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- noah: before we interpret the fragment, we need to ensure that the fragment is conformant to the expected syntax
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- ht: SVG allows bare names as well?
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- Yves: yes
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- ht: as long as you have a xpointer implementation implementing barenames you are safe
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- rfc2023bis is not saying that generic processing must support all xpointer schemes
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- noah: ok to close 450?
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- ACTION-449?
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- ACTION-449 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of pushback on generic handling of fragment IDs in application/xxx+xml media types (self-assigned) -- due 2010-09-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/449
- 17:30:15 [Yves]
- Yves: yes, we still have to investigate on the RDF case
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- +1 close action-450
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- close ACTION-450
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- ACTION-450 Investigate generic processing of svg+xml and XHTML+xml closed
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- Topic: Overdue Actions Items
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- Goal is to start working on text during september teleconferences
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- action-404 due 2010-09-15
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- ACTION-404 Track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership due date now 2010-09-15
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- ACTION-341?
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- ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2010-06-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
- 17:33:42 [noah]
- YL: I started talking to TLR. They are waiting for HASMAT bof to start. Will ping him when he's available.
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- ACTION-341 due 2010-09-01
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- ACTION-341 Follow up with Thomas about security review activities for HTML5 due date now 2010-09-01
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- ACTION-456?
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- ACTION-456 -- Yves Lafon to locate past HTTP WG discussion on Location: A#B change, and make the TAG aware of it -- due 2010-08-17 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/456
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- ACTION-456 pending review
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- ACTION-447?
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- ACTION-447 -- Yves Lafon to coordinate TAG positions on media type related work with IETF, and to represent TAG at IETF meetings in Mastricht Due: 2010-07-20 -- due 2010-07-20 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/447
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- YL: Maastricht has passed, and the pertinent meeting didn't line up with my travel.
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- NM: Any followup needed?
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- YL: There's the 3023bis discussion, and also fragment recombination
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- NM: Has to do with redirection?
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- YL: Yes. It's possible we would ask for a change in the mime registration template.
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- YL: Nothing for the TAG to track right now, but we should have an action to keep in touch with IETF on mime types in general. Should be different action.
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- close ACTION-447
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- ACTION-447 Coordinate TAG positions on media type related work with IETF, and to represent TAG at IETF meetings in Mastricht Due: 2010-07-20 closed
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- YL: There's also Larry's document on MIME on the Web
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- ACTION: Noah to schedule discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate with IETF on MIME-type related activities
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- Created ACTION-458 - Schedule discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate with IETF on MIME-type related activities [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2010-08-26].
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- ACTION-458 due 2010-09-07
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- ACTION-458 Schedule discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate with IETF on MIME-type related activities due date now 2010-09-07
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- ACTION-430?
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- ACTION-430 -- Ashok Malhotra to propose a plan for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state -- due 2010-06-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/430
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- q+ to discuss action 322
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- ACTION-442?
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- ACTION-442 -- Ashok Malhotra to trya nd integrate NM and TVRs words into a coherent draft -- due 2010-06-16 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/442
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- Ashok: need to incorporate comments
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- NM: What you wrote was on 442, what we need is client side state like cookies, sql stores, etc.
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- NM: Would really like to have substantive drafts in Sept, for discussion at Oct. F2f
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- Ashok: got bullet points, like a TOC. I will send them out, if we can cooperate, that would be terrific
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- ACTION-430 due 2010-09-09
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- ACTION-430 Propose a plan for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state due date now 2010-09-09
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- ACTION-442?
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- ACTION-442 -- Ashok Malhotra to trya nd integrate NM and TVRs words into a coherent draft -- due 2010-06-16 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/442
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- AM: I'll take Noah's comments and send out
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- ACTION-442 due 2010-09-09
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- ACTION-442 Trya nd integrate NM and TVRs words into a coherent draft due date now 2010-09-09
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- ACTION-438?
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- ACTION-438 -- Ashok Malhotra to comment to web storage guys: basically all of this is origin-based, but section 6.1 has a 'may' -- is this a door being held open for CORS? -- due 2010-06-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/438
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- AM: I sent it out, got some notes back saying "spec is what it is"
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- Ashok: did it, got some notes back.
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- close ACTION-438
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- ACTION-438 Comment to web storage guys: basically all of this is origin-based, but section 6.1 has a 'may' -- is this a door being held open for CORS? closed
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- ACTION-379?
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- ACTION-379 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check whether HTML language reference has been published -- due 2010-08-17 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/379
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- ACTION-455?
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- ACTION-455 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion on privacy workshop outcomes. -- due 2010-08-17 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/455
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- action-455 due 2010-08-30
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- ACTION-455 Schedule discussion on privacy workshop outcomes. due date now 2010-08-30
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- waiting for DanA
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- ACTION-381?
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- ACTION-381 -- Jonathan Rees to spend 2 hours helping Ian with http://www.w3.org/standards/webarch/ -- due 2010-09-14 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/381
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- ACTION-33?
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- ACTION-33 -- Henry S. Thompson to revise naming challenges story in response to Dec 2008 F2F discussion -- due 2010-07-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/33
- 17:49:58 [Yves]
- Henry: will work on actions this week
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- q?
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- q?
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- ack next
- 17:50:58 [Zakim]
- jar, you wanted to discuss action 322
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- action-322?
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- ACTION-322 -- Dan Connolly to brief Science Commons counsel re forbidding hyperlinking -- due 2010-06-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/322
- 17:52:00 [Yves]
- we have to talk to the science common counsel before september.
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- ACTION-322?
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- ACTION-322 -- Dan Connolly to brief Science Commons counsel re forbidding hyperlinking -- due 2010-06-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/322
- 17:54:03 [noah]
- ACTION-322?
- 17:54:03 [trackbot]
- ACTION-322 -- Jonathan Rees to brief Science Commons counsel re forbidding hyperlinking -- due 2010-08-20 -- OPEN
- 17:54:03 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/322
- 17:54:15 [noah]
- ACTION-335?
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- ACTION-335 -- Dan Connolly to remind us about data-* when progress on distributed extensibility next becomes available -- due 2010-06-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/335
- 17:55:05 [Yves]
- jar: 335 should be folded into the new HTML/XML integration issue
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- close ACTION-335
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- ACTION-335 Remind us about data-* when progress on distributed extensibility next becomes available closed
- 17:55:44 [jar]
- data-* is being taken up by html wg, yes? as one of the 5 proposals?
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- ACTION-436?
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- ACTION-436 -- Dan Connolly to bring "Schemas for XHTML" inquiry to the attention of Michael Smith, HTML Activity Lead -- due 2010-06-08 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/436
- 17:56:15 [noah]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/0038.html
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- Mike Smith answered:
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- Murata-san,
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- Perhaps this is something you and I could meet face-to-face to
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- discuss
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- --Mike
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- Shane McCarron wrote:
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- Actually, the XHTML 2 Working Group already has this on our list of
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- things to complete during our winding up. PLH has authorized
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- publication of M12N and the related RNG specs for the XHTML family
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- markup languages as far as I know. We have the work mostly completed.
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- close ACTION-436
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- ACTION-436 Bring "Schemas for XHTML" inquiry to the attention of Michael Smith, HTML Activity Lead closed
- 17:58:33 [Yves]
- any AOB?
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- -John_Kemp
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- noah: needs a heads up from jar is the science common counsel can participate in next call
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- -Noah_Mendelsohn
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- -Jonathan_Rees
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- ADJOURNED
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- -Yves
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- -Ht
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- TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Ht, Noah_Mendelsohn, Ashok_Malhotra, Jonathan_Rees, Yves, +1.413.458.aaaa, +1.413.458.aabb, John_Kemp
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-tagmem-minutes.html Yves
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