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15:59:36 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:36 <trackbot> Date: 19 August 2010
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16:01:02 <paulc_> zakim, who is here?
16:01:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Plh, [Microsoft], +1.732.859.aaaa, Sam
16:01:10 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:01:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see eliot, Zakim, RRSAgent, manoski, paulc_, rubys, MikeSmith, kliehm, shepazu, aroben, plh, Yudai, Martijnc, Lachy, gavin__, laplink, arronei, hober, karl, ed_work_,
16:01:17 <Zakim> ... Shunsuke, Julian, bryan_sullivan, anne5, Peter, CIA-1, webben, gavin, tH, Philip, jwm, krijnh, inimino, gsnedders, jgraham, scotfl, Hixie, johndrinkwater, drry, jmb, trackbot,
16:01:20 <Zakim> ... pimpbot
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16:01:35 <eliot> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] has me
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16:01:48 <paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0015.html
16:01:49 <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-08-19: WG decisions, Decision Policy, TF reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-08-17 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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16:02:59 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:02:59 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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16:03:51 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
16:03:59 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
16:04:02 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
16:04:06 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0015.html
16:04:07 <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-08-19: WG decisions, Decision Policy, TF reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-08-17 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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16:04:16 <Zakim> + +1.425.941.aabb
16:04:33 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:04:35 <MikeSmith> agenda+ would like to ask on behalf of members of the HTML TF if the chairs have any status update on Leif's appeal/objection to the longdesc decision
16:04:45 <krisk> zakim, aabb is krisk
16:04:45 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:04:47 <Zakim> +Rich
16:05:17 <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, Aug 19
16:05:24 <adrianba> paulc: None
16:05:30 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
16:05:33 <adrianba> paulc: None
16:05:40 <adrianba> TOPIC: Working Group decisions
16:05:58 <adrianba> paulc: two parts, pending which hasn't changed and a separate item pending appeal
16:06:03 <adrianba> ISSUE-30?
16:06:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- closed
16:06:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
16:06:04 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - Web Performance Working Group Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:18 <adrianba> paulc: think it would be appropriate to have the team give an update
16:06:41 <JF> http://www.malform.no/messages/appeal-issue-30.html
16:06:42 <pimpbot> Title: Appeal of ISSUE-30 to the Team Contact (at www.malform.no)
16:06:51 <Joshue> zakim, code?
16:06:51 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Joshue
16:06:53 <adrianba> MikeSmith: as i understand it Leif has asked for this to be escalated for the attention of the director
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16:06:59 <JF> "...in the end caused me to write this Appeal to the Director – via the Team Contact, Mike Smith."
16:07:00 <adrianba> ...I'm not sure what action we need to take
16:07:20 <adrianba> ...escalating within the team means working harder to reach consensus
16:07:27 <janina> zakim, call janina
16:07:27 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:07:29 <Zakim> +Janina.a
16:07:30 <Zakim> -Rich
16:07:39 <adrianba> ...course of action is for Leif and others to continue to have a discussion with the chairs about it
16:07:45 <adrianba> ...if that's acceptable to the chairs
16:07:48 <janina> zakim, drop janina
16:07:48 <Zakim> Janina.a is being disconnected
16:07:50 <Zakim> -Janina.a
16:07:53 <adrianba> ...if the chairs would like another approach we can do that
16:08:06 <adrianba> ...the language in the process document means we don't escalate issues like this
16:08:11 <janina> zakim, call janina
16:08:11 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:08:12 <Zakim> +Janina
16:08:23 <adrianba> ...if someone in the WG feels their not getting due process from chairs then the team contacts take action on that
16:08:47 <adrianba> ...if chairs are acting in bad faith or does not have a foundation in the working process of the group the team should step in to fix that
16:08:58 <adrianba> ...i don't feel that we are there with this issue or any other that has come up so far
16:09:07 <JF> q+
16:09:09 <adrianba> ...i think the right way is to continue to deal with this in the group
16:09:29 <adrianba> paul: are you putting this back in the chairs court?
16:09:39 <adrianba> plh: not yet - there is still more discussion that needs to happen
16:09:58 <Zakim> +??P0
16:10:06 <Joshue> zakim, ??P0 is Joshue
16:10:06 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:10:12 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:10:12 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:10:32 <adrianba> jf: for the record, the chairs mentioned an option to escalate to the director
16:10:44 <adrianba> janina: but not as a suggestion, more to complete the options
16:10:59 <adrianba> paulc: i was really trying to make sure my view of the options was out there
16:11:16 <Joshue> q+
16:11:25 <adrianba> ...i take that if plh is telling us this isn't in the chairs hands then the team and the chairs will continue to work on this
16:11:27 <paulc_> ack JF
16:11:40 <adrianba> plh: the team didn't reply so the chairs can't give a timeline
16:11:49 <adrianba> ...i can't give a timeline right now
16:11:57 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
16:11:57 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:12:03 <adrianba> ...in theory this could run until last call
16:12:08 <paulc_> ack joshue
16:12:14 <adrianba> ...but we don't want to wait that long if possible
16:12:27 <adrianba> Joshue: this seems to be a deadlock between the TF and the WG
16:12:49 <adrianba> ...i hope this doesn't diminish the steps we're taking to improve a11y in html5
16:13:06 <adrianba> ...we're looking for guidance from the chairs about how to move forward
16:13:14 <adrianba> paulc: we're spending a lot of time on this
16:13:26 <JF> +1 to Josh
16:13:36 <adrianba> Joshue: we have to try to work out some kind of way to find a solution that both sides are happy with and that improves a11y in the spec
16:14:01 <adrianba> paulc: this is the first time the wg has made a decision that has not gone the way the TF wanted
16:14:22 <adrianba> paulc: i'll leave that comment standing, if your question was a follow-on to the question of timeline
16:14:34 <adrianba> ...i will say that we're working on this and trying to find an acceptable solution
16:14:51 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:14:51 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:15:00 <adrianba> paulc: i'm going to try to move us on
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16:15:26 <adrianba> ...it's obvious that the chairs and the team need to give this a high priority and we're doing that
16:15:36 <Zakim> +Maciej
16:15:51 <adrianba> JF: please can you communicate this back to public-html
16:15:58 <MikeSmith> q?
16:16:13 <adrianba> plh: this is one of the highest priority items that the team and chairs are dealing with
16:16:51 <adrianba> paulc: I will take the request for mail to the next chairs meeting
16:16:57 <adrianba> TOPIC: Decision Policy Update, Maciej S
16:17:17 <adrianba> paulc: in the agenda there are links to the current, draft edited, and to the outstanding bugs
16:17:24 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:17:35 <adrianba> paulc: outstanding bugs most important: http://w3.org/brief/MTk0
16:17:42 <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at w3.org)
16:17:52 <adrianba> mjs: most of the bugs have been filed over time and dealt with
16:18:03 <adrianba> ...the most important remaining one is the process for getting into Last Call
16:18:06 <thugbot> [localhost] MikeSmith: bugzilla problem: HTTP error 500
16:18:16 <adrianba> ...we're working with the team on identifying the best way to handle this
16:19:34 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:19:40 <adrianba> mjs: fpwd bug will probably not update the policy - they don't happen very often and we don't have problem handling them
16:20:20 <adrianba> paulc: i think it's fair to say that if we weren't discussing the LC bug we'd have distributed the v2 to the WG for consensus
16:20:42 <adrianba> ...and we're going to try to figure out the LC plan as soon as possible so that we can hand all this to the WG soon
16:20:54 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items closed last week
16:21:09 <paulc_> issue-41?
16:21:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
16:21:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
16:21:10 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:21:29 <adrianba> paulc: we did a call for advocates on the 5 proposals for issue-41
16:21:41 <adrianba> ...as a result the chairs have dropped change proposals 1 and 2 from the list
16:21:51 <adrianba> ...this leaves us with 3 proposals
16:22:11 <paulc_> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-041
16:22:12 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
16:22:44 <adrianba> paulc: chairs are pleased that we took this step - a survey with three proposals will be easier
16:23:02 <adrianba> ...more likely that we'll have a successful survey with less items to respond to
16:23:11 <adrianba> ...chairs are discussing schedule for taking this forward
16:23:22 <adrianba> ...started on tuesday, will be on our agenda again on monday
16:23:30 <adrianba> ...could be we'll do this fairly quickly
16:23:43 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
16:23:48 <adrianba> ISSUE-109?
16:23:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- open
16:23:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109
16:23:49 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:24:02 <adrianba> paulc: just bringing this to your attention
16:24:06 <adrianba> TOPIC: Current WG Surveys
16:24:09 <adrianba> paulc: None
16:24:25 <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force reports - Testing Task Force
16:24:48 <adrianba> krisk: we met last on the 10th, meet again on 24th
16:25:10 <adrianba> krisk: group is focussing on automating the getElementByClassName tests that msft and opera have submitted
16:25:15 <adrianba> ...and reviewing canvas tests
16:25:25 <adrianba> ...hoping that these will be completed by next time we report
16:25:58 <paulc_> paulc: Have you approved more tests?
16:26:14 <paulc_> Kris: No
16:26:18 <adrianba> ...ramification of the automation - we probably will go back and change tests already approved
16:26:33 <adrianba> ...no more have been approved while we work on this
16:26:51 <adrianba> paulc: so you're focusing on this rather than increasing the approved test count
16:26:58 <adrianba> krisk: nothing else to report
16:27:06 <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force reports - Accessibility Task Force
16:27:49 <adrianba> paulc: two specific items
16:27:53 <adrianba> ISSUE-85?
16:27:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
16:27:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
16:27:55 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:27:57 <adrianba> ISSUE-9?
16:27:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
16:27:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
16:27:59 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:28:06 <adrianba> janina: let me do them in reverse order
16:28:20 <adrianba> ...judy and i worked on remaining edits for the requirements doc for media
16:28:31 <adrianba> ...we commited to group that we will complete this by friday
16:28:37 <adrianba> ...expecting that the doc will continue to evolve
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16:28:50 <adrianba> ...but we think it's relatively complete for the kind of things
16:29:07 <adrianba> ...for the aria mappings, everyone in the tf agreed that this should come back to the chairs
16:29:15 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:29:16 <adrianba> ...we did this before and the chairs asked for more edits
16:29:30 <adrianba> ...we met to do this over the past couple of weeks and we have completed this
16:29:36 <adrianba> ...will be coming within a day
16:29:48 <paulc_> Issue-9:  When the Requirements are provided we will update http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-009 and the WG will discuss the Requirements.
16:29:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 how accessibility works for <video> is unclear notes added
16:29:50 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:29:51 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
16:29:55 <adrianba> ...in terms of other areas, we think we are still stuck on canvas
16:30:08 <adrianba> ...we have our approach and ian wanted a different alternative - nothing new here so far
16:30:09 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:30:24 <adrianba> ...keyboard access and drag&drop are things we need to focus on
16:30:26 <paulc_> Issue-85:  When the TF has updated bug 10066 the Chairs will ensure it gets expedited processing.
16:30:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-85 ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 notes added
16:30:27 <pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066 faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P1, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided
16:30:31 <adrianba> ...haven't taken up these yet
16:31:05 <adrianba> paulc: for issue 9 the change proposal page says it is for the tf to provide req document
16:31:27 <adrianba> ...for issue-85 once the tf have updated bug 10066 the chairs will expedite it
16:31:48 <adrianba> janina: on cavnas, we think we're in a bit of a stalemate here
16:31:56 <adrianba> ...between the editor and the tf recommendation
16:32:06 <adrianba> ...sticking point between caret drawing and focus
16:32:18 <adrianba> ...would require authors to take an extra step to get a11y
16:32:36 <adrianba> ...ian wanted to come up with a caret drawing api that would deal with this automatically
16:32:38 <paulc_> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-074
16:32:39 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
16:32:44 <adrianba> ...but there is a good deal of engineering to do this
16:32:55 <adrianba> ...we're looking for an estimate of how much effort this would be
16:33:08 <adrianba> paulc: it is fair to say that the chairs of PF and HTML WG are tracking this closely
16:33:12 <adrianba> janina: yes
16:33:34 <adrianba> paulc: one other item: i understand there is some progress looking at input queue of a11y bugs
16:33:45 <adrianba> janina: we recognise we haven't kept up with new bugs
16:33:52 <adrianba> ...we have created subteams for specific tasks
16:34:06 <adrianba> ...at the beginning of august we created a sub-team to look at these new bugs
16:34:24 <adrianba> ...they have met twice and are making progress - expect to have recommendation from them next thursday
16:34:37 <adrianba> ...last week they said they were half way through which is good progress
16:34:46 <adrianba> paulc: them progress is for taking up in tf?
16:34:49 <adrianba> janina
16:34:57 <adrianba> janina: in many cases it's resolutions
16:35:10 <adrianba> paulc: are you updating the bugs with recommendations from tf?
16:35:17 <adrianba> janina: i expect that is our next step
16:35:41 <adrianba> paulc: thanks for the positive news on issue 9 and 85
16:35:41 <Julian> q+
16:35:43 <adrianba> TOPIC: Misc items
16:35:51 <adrianba> ISSUE-27?
16:35:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
16:35:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
16:35:53 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:36:03 <adrianba> paulc: fair amount of discussion on the list
16:36:14 <Julian> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/link-relations/current/msg00057.html
16:36:16 <pimpbot> Title: Re: [link-relations] NEW APP DATA (at www.ietf.org)
16:36:25 <paulc_> ack Julian
16:36:35 <adrianba> julian: i think there are two points
16:37:12 <adrianba> ...one, the designated experts in this case mark nottingham is asking w3c about what to do - ian pointed to whatwg spec
16:37:12 <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0139.html
16:37:14 <pimpbot> Title: link relation metadata considerations, was: Update on Issue-27, was: ACTION-182 and Issue-27 from Julian Reschke on 2010-08-13 (public-html@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:37:26 <adrianba> two, the metadata question about adding new data
16:37:39 <adrianba> ...we didn't really agree in the link relations group about whether this is a good idea
16:37:47 <adrianba> ...i made a proposal to the group (link above)
16:38:00 <adrianba> ...but i haven't seen any discussion yet so not sure how to proceed
16:38:28 <adrianba> paulc: first question, for the registration ian was attempting we need to get agreement on which link to use?
16:38:47 <adrianba> julian: we need to decide whether to point to w3c or whatwg and if w3c is it wd or ed
16:38:54 <adrianba> ...i think w3c needs to decide this
16:39:10 <adrianba> paulc: does either plh or mikesmith want to comment?
16:39:20 <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5
16:39:21 <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 (at www.w3.org)
16:39:26 <adrianba> plh: i haven't reviewed this but my answer would be to link to the TR version
16:39:32 <MikeSmith> q?
16:39:35 <adrianba> paulc: that coincides with what i suggested
16:39:49 <MikeSmith> issue-27?
16:39:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
16:39:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
16:39:50 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:40:04 <Julian> q+
16:40:07 <adrianba> ...is our problem here that we have issue-27, we're in the implementation phase, how should we proceed here?
16:40:14 <paulc_> ack Julian
16:40:32 <adrianba> julian: i think the question related to issue-27 is we are now testing to see if the registry works
16:40:52 <adrianba> ...this includes a number of things including adding the registry then adding more meta data
16:41:24 <adrianba> ...for the things in html4 and html5, someone should send a mail to the link relations to update these and point to the latest html5 doc
16:41:28 <adrianba> ...we haven't had that
16:41:32 <rubys> q+
16:41:35 <adrianba> ...what we have had is an attempt to link to whatwg
16:41:43 <adrianba> ...the designated experts weren't happy with that
16:41:54 <adrianba> paulc: sounds like someone should take an action to do that
16:41:57 <MikeSmith> q?
16:42:06 <paulc_> ack rubys
16:42:07 <adrianba> julian: i think it would be strange for me to do this
16:42:20 <adrianba> rubys: a different suggestion that doesn't directly address this
16:42:33 <adrianba> ...maybe it is time for us to issue call for counter proposals for issue-27
16:42:49 <adrianba> ...may be there is consensus for a different approach - this is being suggested on the mailing list
16:42:59 <JF> JF has left #html-wg
16:43:07 <adrianba> ...i think it is time to call for concrete proposals
16:43:14 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:43:35 <adrianba> paulc: in some ways you're asking my question over again - i asked about bugs but you're saying that we need the questions in the original proposals marked up?
16:43:49 <adrianba> ...i think i was saying the same thing that you did
16:44:08 <adrianba> ...we have a change proposal the wg endorsed - you're suggesting we need to edit this
16:44:18 <adrianba> rubys: i'm not sure the wg endorsed this
16:44:36 <adrianba> paulc: then we should try to get consensus about these including potentially alternate change proposals
16:45:03 <adrianba> ...julian, could we get into the change proposal the various questions
16:45:07 <Julian> it was Mark
16:45:48 <adrianba> ...i also think we should get someone to take the action to send the mail on html4/5 to the link relations list
16:45:54 <adrianba> ...do i have a volunteer?
16:46:04 <adrianba> julian: i can help draft the mail but someone else needs to send it
16:46:34 <paulc_> ACTION on paulc for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc
16:46:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
16:46:53 <Julian> mailing list info: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/link-relations
16:46:56 <pimpbot> Title: link-relations Info Page (at www.ietf.org)
16:47:07 <adrianba> MikeSmith: please put the action on me
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16:47:13 <paulc_> ACTION on miketm for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc
16:47:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
16:47:33 <paulc_> ACTION miketm for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc
16:47:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - miketm
16:48:05 <paulc_> ACTION" michaeltm fo the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc
16:48:29 <paulc_> ACTION: michaeltm for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc
16:48:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - michaeltm
16:49:06 <MikeSmith> ACTION: Michael(tm) to ... for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc
16:49:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-185 - ... for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc [on Michael(tm) Smith - due 2010-08-26].
16:49:40 <adrianba> julian: the other question was the two flags of meta data ian wants to add
16:49:52 <adrianba> ...about the effect on an A element and a LINK element
16:49:58 <adrianba> ...had been in the html spec for a long time
16:50:07 <adrianba> ...was in the change proposals for issue-27
16:50:30 <adrianba> ...but it could mean that a link relation could be disallowed on a link element
16:50:35 <Zakim> -Eric_Carlson
16:50:40 <adrianba> ...but it would be odd for a link relation to not be allowed on a link element
16:50:47 <adrianba> ...so i would like us to discuss this
16:50:55 <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0139.html
16:50:56 <pimpbot> Title: link relation metadata considerations, was: Update on Issue-27, was: ACTION-182 and Issue-27 from Julian Reschke on 2010-08-13 (public-html@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:50:56 <Zakim> +Eric_Carlson
16:51:03 <adrianba> ...without this the metadata in the link registry would be simpler
16:51:17 <adrianba> ...if the html wg decides that's what we want then the ietf will register these flags
16:51:28 <adrianba> ...but we'd like the html wg to make sure this really makes sense
16:51:40 <adrianba> paulc: can you file this as a bug?
16:51:54 <adrianba> julian: i have filed bugs - i need to investigate the status
16:52:17 <adrianba> paulc: if they've been rejected and you disagree then escalate
16:52:28 <paulc_> ACTION: julian to investigate status of bugs on link relations
16:52:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Investigate status of bugs on link relations [on Julian Reschke - due 2010-08-26].
16:52:34 <adrianba> julian: not sure if this is already done - will check and come back by tomorrow
16:54:02 <adrianba> paulc: these actions should move things along, we may need to consider sam's approach after
16:54:03 <adrianba> TOPIC: Other business
16:54:13 <adrianba> paulc: None
16:54:17 <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
16:54:24 <adrianba> paulc: volunteers?
16:54:24 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:54:42 <paulc_> Paul will volunteer to scribe next week.
16:54:52 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
16:55:00 <adrianba> paulc: adjourned
16:55:05 <Zakim> -krisk
16:55:12 <paulc_> Adjourned at 12:55 ET
16:55:12 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
16:55:14 <Zakim> - +1.732.859.aaaa
16:55:15 <Zakim> -Eric_Carlson
16:55:15 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:55:17 <Zakim> -Plh
16:55:17 <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
16:55:19 <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
16:55:19 <Zakim> -Mike
16:55:24 <Zakim> -Janina
16:55:27 <Zakim> -Maciej
16:55:39 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:55:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:55:55 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
16:55:56 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:56:05 <Zakim> -Julian
16:59:15 <Zakim> -Sam
16:59:16 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:59:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, +1.732.859.aaaa, paulc, Sam, [Microsoft], eliot, Julian, Eric_Carlson, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, adrianba, +1.425.941.aabb, John_Foliot, krisk, Rich, Janina.a,
16:59:21 <Zakim> ... Janina, Joshue, Maciej
16:59:27 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:59:29 <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 19 Aug 2010 (at www.w3.org)
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18:21:09 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9887] parsing algorithm should allow HTML content in MathML <annotation-xml> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0420.html> 4** [Bug 10405] New: Should be "</p>" in <p><button>Submit order</button><p> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0419.html>
18:51:15 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10202] use of "codecs" parameter <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0421.html>
18:51:16 <pimpbot> "planet: HTML5: Up and Running \n           - O'Reilly Media <\x0311http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596806026/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter\x0f>"
19:21:32 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10403] New: The argument to putImageData will be an ImageData object or null <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0423.html> 4** "[Bug 10202] use of "codecs" parameter" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0422.html>
19:28:54 <thugbot> [localhost] MikeSmith: bugzilla problem: HTTP error 500
19:30:11 <MikeSmith> thanks
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19:30:17 <MikeSmith> borkened for real right now
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21:22:22 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9683] tbody element in Polyglot documents <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0427.html> 4** [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0426.html> 4** [Bug 9887] parsing algorithm should allow HTML content in MathML <annotation-xml> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0425.h
21:52:31 <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9887] parsing algorithm should allow HTML content in MathML <annotation-xml>" (4 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0431.html>
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22:52:46 <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 video ‘buffered’ property available in Firefox 4 <11http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/08/html5-video-buffered-property-available-in-firefox-4/>
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23:53:00 <pimpbot> planet: RT @miketaylr: html5 constraint validation api, type=url, type=email, pattern, required, :required {}, :optional {}, landed in firefox!  ... <11http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/21615828211> 4** Looks like people are receiving review copies of "HTML5: Up and Running." I'll send out more as soon as I get them. <11http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/21615793707>