IRC log of rdfa on 2010-08-05

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 7332

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ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

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Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 05 August 2010

13:50:25 [manu]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Aug/0006.html

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Chair: Manu

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Present: Knud, Manu, Shane, Mark

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Regrets: Ivan

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SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started

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+Knud

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13:58:39 [Knud]

am I scribing today?

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+manu

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+ +44.785.583.aaaa

13:59:09 [Knud]

Scribe: Knud

13:59:12 [tinkster]

zakim, aaaa is me

13:59:12 [Zakim]

+tinkster; got it

13:59:24 [tinkster]

zakim,mute me

13:59:24 [Zakim]

tinkster should now be muted

13:59:57 [Knud]

I muted my phone

14:00:51 [Knud]

:)

14:01:13 [Knud]

I'm usually lurking and listening anyway

14:01:43 [manu]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:01:43 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Knud, manu, tinkster (muted)

14:01:53 [markbirbeck]

zakim, code?

14:01:53 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck

14:02:46 [tinkster]

zakim, unmute me

14:02:46 [Zakim]

tinkster should no longer be muted

14:03:02 [markbirbeck]

Silly of me to waste time trying the London number...

14:03:24 [tinkster]

i can hear me echoing back

14:03:25 [Knud]

I can hear toby

14:03:29 [manu]

hmm

14:03:43 [Zakim]

+??P10

14:03:46 [markbirbeck]

zakim, i am ?

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+markbirbeck; got it

14:03:55 [manu]

hmm, my audio isn't working now?

14:03:59 [Knud]

no

14:04:02 [manu]

I'll dial back in.

14:04:15 [Zakim]

+ShaneM

14:05:03 [tinkster]

zakim, who's here?

14:05:03 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Knud, manu, tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM

14:05:05 [Zakim]

On IRC I see tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, manu, Knud

14:05:15 [Zakim]

+ +8014aabb

14:05:21 [manu]

zakim, I am ??bb

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sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '??bb'

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zakim, I am bb

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sorry, manu, I do not see a party named 'bb'

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zakim, aabb is me

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+manu; got it

14:05:32 [Knud]

yes

14:05:41 [tinkster]

everyone's echoing.

14:06:01 [tinkster]

zakim, mute me

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tinkster should now be muted

14:06:09 [manu]

zakim, who is making noise?

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zakim, unmute me

14:06:14 [Zakim]

tinkster should no longer be muted

14:06:19 [markbirbeck]

zakim, mute me

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markbirbeck should now be muted

14:06:20 [Zakim]

manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: manu.a (100%), Knud (57%)

14:06:28 [Knud]

zakim, mute me

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Knud should now be muted

14:07:11 [Knud]

no other issues

14:07:13 [markbirbeck]

zakim, unmute me

14:07:13 [Zakim]

markbirbeck should no longer be muted

14:07:19 [manu]

Topic: ISSUE-31: setMapping API location (on Benjamin)

14:07:24 [Knud]

TOPIC: ISSUE-31: setMapping API location

14:07:47 [Knud]

setMapping call should either be duplicated or be moved from context to document interface

14:08:00 [manu]

document.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1");

14:08:07 [manu]

document.data.context.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1");

14:08:51 [Knud]

manu: document.setMapping could be an alias to context.setMapping

14:09:28 [markbirbeck]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Jun/0054.html

14:10:09 [Knud]

mark: still open as to how to implement this

14:10:24 [markbirbeck]

document.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/");

14:10:24 [markbirbeck]

var people = document.getItemsByType("foaf:Person");

14:10:24 [Knud]

... as long as programmers can get to setMapping via document

14:11:43 [Knud]

manu: would like to keep the idea of context

14:12:07 [Knud]

... also, some people might be concerned that we pollute the document interface too much

14:12:20 [markbirbeck]

q+

14:12:35 [manu]

ack markbirbeck

14:12:38 [Knud]

you are there, mark

14:12:47 [tinkster]

Is {document.setMapping("foaf","http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/">http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/");var people=document.getElementsByType("foaf:Person");} any easier than {var FOAF="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/";var people=document.getElementsByType(FOAF+"Person");} ??

14:12:51 [Zakim]

-manu.a

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+manu.a

14:13:16 [manu]

ack markbirbeck

14:13:49 [markbirbeck]

q+

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ack markbirbeck

14:14:58 [Knud]

mark: now remembers that we steered clear of putting too much into document interface

14:15:19 [manu]

var context = document.data.context;

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context.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1")?

14:15:37 [Knud]

... so maybe we should rethink how we give people access to something like setMapping

14:15:40 [manu]

so, people would just do that.

14:16:44 [Knud]

... there could also be a context parameter to getElementsByType

14:17:28 [Knud]

... would therefore like to withdraw the suggestion to move setMapping to document

14:18:03 [ShaneM]

no objection from me

14:18:08 [Knud]

fine

14:18:22 [manu]

PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-31 and have Mark re-submit an alternative mechanism to make mappings easier to use.

14:18:33 [manu]

+1

14:18:34 [Knud]

+1

14:18:35 [markbirbeck]

+1

14:18:37 [ShaneM]

+1

14:18:43 [tinkster]

+1

14:18:47 [manu]

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-31 and have Mark re-submit an alternative mechanism to make mappings easier to use.

14:19:02 [Knud]

TOPIC: ISSUE-30: hasFeature clarifications (on Mark)

14:19:19 [manu]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Jun/0053.html

14:19:40 [Knud]

Mark: hasFeature already exists in the DOM in other specs

14:20:00 [manu]

q+ to discuss RDFa version number

14:20:00 [Knud]

... our use of it should be aligned, e.g., with respect to the version number

14:20:03 [manu]

ack manu

14:20:03 [Zakim]

manu, you wanted to discuss RDFa version number

14:20:37 [Knud]

manu: mostly agrees with proposal, except: we now want to make RDFa versionless

14:20:56 [Knud]

... so, just check if RDFa support is available, not a specific version

14:21:31 [Knud]

mark: maybe we should change feature string to "rdfa_api"

14:22:13 [manu]

document.hasFeature("rdfa-api 1.1")

14:22:37 [markbirbeck]

document.hasFeature("rdfaapi", "1.1")

14:23:03 [manu]

document.hasFeature("rdfa-api 1.0")

14:23:20 [manu]

oh woops, Mark is correct

14:23:47 [Knud]

mark: api version is in sync with RDFa core?

14:23:54 [manu]

document.hasFeature("rdfa-api, "1.1")

14:24:56 [manu]

So, something like this: document.implementation.hasFeature("rdfa-api, "1.1")

14:25:31 [Knud]

mark: we should not say "we provide hasFeature", but instead "when you call hasFeature, this should happen:"

14:25:43 [Knud]

... this is in line with how other specs do it

14:26:30 [tinkster]

<script implements="http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-api/">...</script>

14:26:36 [markbirbeck]

This is boilerplate text:

14:26:38 [markbirbeck]

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/core.html#ID-BBACDC08

14:27:42 [ShaneM]

tinkster: yeah, that. I really wanted that feature.

14:29:17 [manu]

PROPOSAL: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "rdfa-api" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.

14:29:25 [tinkster]

+1

14:29:28 [ShaneM]

+1

14:29:35 [Knud]

+1

14:29:40 [markbirbeck]

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/introduction.html#ID-Conformance

14:31:10 [markbirbeck]

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/feature.html

14:31:12 [manu]

RDFaApi

14:33:32 [tinkster]

"rdfa-api" could be considered a relative URL reference with base http://www.w3.org/TR/.

14:34:09 [markbirbeck]

+1

14:34:24 [Knud]

general discussion on what to use as the feature string: URI, camel case, hypen, ...

14:34:36 [Knud]

s/hypen/hyphen

14:34:45 [ShaneM]

consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds

14:35:49 [manu]

PROPOSAL: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "RDFaAPI" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.

14:36:13 [ShaneM]

+1

14:36:13 [manu]

+1

14:36:14 [Knud]

+1

14:36:17 [tinkster]

+1 (though I'd still prefer 'rdfa-api')

14:37:05 [manu]

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/introduction.html#ID-Conformance

14:37:36 [markbirbeck]

+1

14:37:44 [manu]

RESOLVED: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "RDFaAPI" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.

14:38:09 [Knud]

TOPIC: ISSUE-32: TypedLiteralConverter improvements (on Mark)

14:38:15 [manu]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Jun/0055.html

14:38:18 [markbirbeck]

http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#feature-detection

14:38:45 [markbirbeck]

RDFa.API

14:40:32 [manu]

q+ to point out that we allow functions already.

14:41:12 [Knud]

Mark: we should make very clear how callback functions/methods should be implemented

14:41:39 [manu]

We already allow callback functions for TypedLiteralConverters: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-dom-api/#idl-def-TypedLiteralConverter

14:42:44 [manu]

ack manu

14:42:44 [Zakim]

manu, you wanted to point out that we allow functions already.

14:42:58 [Knud]

... also, people might only want to define one callback function for different datatypes, so the callback function should have a parameter to say what it should convert

14:43:25 [Knud]

... finally, we should define how the callback reacts when conversion is not possible (exception, return null, etc.)

14:43:36 [tinkster]

first class functions

14:45:25 [Knud]

... for the third point, the parameter should say what the function is converting _to_

14:45:32 [manu]

q+ to discuss point 3

14:45:34 [manu]

ack manu

14:45:34 [Zakim]

manu, you wanted to discuss point 3

14:47:10 [markbirbeck]

var converter = function (value) { return new String(value) };

14:47:10 [markbirbeck]

document.data.context.registerTypeConverter("xsd:string", converter);

14:47:51 [markbirbeck]

document.data.context.registerTypeConverter("xsd:string",

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function (value) { return new String(value) }

14:47:55 [Knud]

mark: if there is one function per conversion type, then we wouldn't need the extra parameter.

14:47:59 [markbirbeck]

);

14:48:23 [Knud]

... when we want to allow one function for all conversion types, then we need an extra parameter

14:48:46 [tinkster]

http://esw.pastebin.com/m9CXB8qh

14:50:37 [manu]

PROPOSAL: Add a parameter to convertType() that indacates the type that is being converted.

14:50:44 [Knud]

converted to

14:50:56 [markbirbeck]

+

14:51:00 [tinkster]

+0

14:51:03 [markbirbeck]

+1

14:51:14 [Knud]

+1

14:51:17 [markbirbeck]

s/indacates/indicates/

14:51:27 [ShaneM]

abstain - I don't grok the issue

14:51:36 [manu]

+1

14:52:19 [manu]

RESOLVED: Add a parameter to convertType() that indicates the type that is being converted.

14:52:44 [Knud]

we are resolving this issue with a string of different proposals

14:53:33 [markbirbeck]

"23 elephants"^^xsd:integer

14:53:41 [Knud]

Sub-Topic: ISSUE32, point 2

14:54:00 [tinkster]

q+

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ack tinkster

14:56:56 [markbirbeck]

"23 blah"^^my:foo

14:57:45 [Knud]

(I'm a bit lost about scribing at the moment)

14:58:26 [manu]

q+ to end the call.

15:00:41 [manu]

ack manu

15:00:41 [Zakim]

manu, you wanted to end the call.

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-tinkster

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-markbirbeck

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-Knud

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-manu.a

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-ShaneM

15:01:11 [manu]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:01:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see manu

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zakim, drop manu

15:01:17 [Zakim]

manu is being disconnected

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SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Knud, manu, +44.785.583.aaaa, tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM, +8014aabb

15:01:50 [Knud]

manu, will you wrap the minutes up in the right format?

15:01:57 [manu]

yup :)

15:02:01 [manu]

Thanks for scribing Knud :)

15:02:02 [Knud]

brilliant, thanks!

15:02:21 [Knud]

no problem

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trackbot, bye

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zakim, bye

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