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11:50:15 <Steph> Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly Call
11:50:28 <Steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Jul/0040.html
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11:58:18 <Steph> zakim, code ?
11:58:18 <Zakim> sorry, Steph, I don't know what conference this is
11:58:30 <Steph> zakim, this will be mw4d
11:58:30 <Zakim> ok, Steph, I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM already started
11:58:40 <Steph> zakim, code ?
11:58:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steph
11:59:06 <Steph> Regrets: Raphael, Max
11:59:13 <Steph> Present: steph
11:59:31 <Steph> zakim, who is here ?
11:59:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see +44.238.059.aaaa
11:59:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see betty, christellescharff, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steph, Adesina, maxf
11:59:39 <Zakim> + +666742aabb
11:59:40 <Zakim> +??P2
12:00:04 <Steph> zakim, ??P2 is Stephane
12:00:04 <Zakim> +Stephane; got it
12:00:20 <Steph> zakim, aabb is Christelle
12:00:20 <Zakim> +Christelle; got it
12:00:34 <Steph> zakim, aaaa is Betty
12:00:34 <Zakim> +Betty; got it
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12:00:41 <Steph> Present+Christelle
12:00:45 <Steph> Present+Betty
12:04:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:04:18 <Steph> zakim, [IPcaller] is Stephanie
12:04:18 <Zakim> +Stephanie; got it
12:05:57 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/2010/07/05-mw4d-minutes.html
12:06:10 <Steph> Topic: Introduction
12:06:46 <Steph> betty: betty purwandari
12:06:58 <Steph> from indonesia, now in southampton for phd
12:07:18 <Steph> developing methodology to measure impact of mobile web in dev. countries
12:07:30 <Steph> looking in Kenya for now
12:07:33 <Steph> and Indonesia too
12:07:43 <Steph> should move to case studies in a year 
12:08:06 <Steph> Topic: logistics
12:08:49 <Steph> steph: checked on the mailing-list 
12:08:50 <Adesina> hELLO STEPH
12:08:55 <Steph> Hi Adesina
12:09:22 <Steph> one person only answered 
12:09:32 <Steph> so we can stick with the current slots
12:09:34 <Adesina> Hi been very busy with duties and research
12:09:40 <Steph> Hi Adesina
12:09:44 <Steph> oops 
12:10:12 <Steph> Topic: Tools evaluation methodology
12:10:19 <Adesina> Betty's work could be very important 
12:11:19 <Steph> stephanie: sent a mail to the group
12:11:33 <Zakim> -Stephane
12:12:57 <Zakim> +Steph.a
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12:14:19 <Stef> christelle: how difficult is the tools ?
12:14:27 <Stef> is it linux or windows based ?
12:14:32 <Adesina> Is Steph diff from stef?
12:14:56 <Zakim> -Steph.a
12:15:41 <Zakim> +Stephane
12:20:35 <Stef> q+
12:21:08 <Stef> stephanie: broadening to end-user tools
12:21:24 <Stef> rrs reader, browser
12:21:35 <Stef> interesting tools for the community to recommend
12:21:56 <Stef> most capable browsers on a given device is important
12:22:03 <christellescharff> ++
12:22:31 <Stef> stephane: so that creates 2 categories
12:22:31 <betty> My point of view, tools = software, devices, netwok for MW4D. As we know there are many pilot projects to analyse.
12:22:36 <Stef> zakim, who is here ?
12:22:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Betty, Christelle, Stephanie, Stephane
12:22:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Stef, stephanierieger, betty, christellescharff, RRSAgent, Zakim, Adesina, maxf
12:23:09 <Stef> betty: yes, different categories
12:23:44 <Stef> developer, content provider, end-user
12:25:06 <Stef> steph: difference ?
12:25:26 <Stef> betty: different type of people: those providing content, those consuming content
12:25:33 <Stef> christelle
12:25:35 <Stef> :
12:25:55 <Stef> tools only, or the impact of the tools ?
12:26:13 <Stef> q+
12:26:43 <Stef> christelle: impact=how many users and so on
12:27:45 <christellescharff> scope of use of the tool
12:29:00 <Stef> Resolution: we should integrate tools targeted at different type of users, including those focused on end-user only (e.g. web browsers, rss reader, etc.)
12:29:10 <christellescharff> q+
12:30:43 <Stef> steph: goal and audience of the document
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12:32:44 <Steph> christelle: a tool for decision making to select the right tools so for e.g. ngo
12:32:58 <Steph> also for teachers to design projects for students
12:33:27 <stephanierieger> q+
12:34:28 <Steph> stephanie: some tools works only if there is content available
12:34:31 <Steph> like education tools
12:34:56 <Steph> a content element should be considered
12:35:25 <betty> q+
12:36:28 <Steph> stephane: some dimension might be overlapping ?
12:36:35 <Steph> like content creation ?
12:36:45 <Steph> christelle: what is important too ?
12:37:10 <Steph> how to present ?
12:37:24 <Steph> should be clear and organized
12:37:30 <Steph> not easy.
12:39:41 <Steph> stephane: we should perhaps not focus on analyzing tools but just the methodology
12:39:53 <Steph> probably not focusing on the best tools in each category ?
12:40:05 <stephanierieger> q+
12:40:50 <Steph> stephanie: at the first glance, i thought that we should recommend tools but now not sure
12:41:05 <Steph> the way to present is key too
12:41:19 <Steph> too much factor may kill usefullness
12:42:32 <betty> q+
12:43:24 <Steph> stephanie: specific example: mobile testharness results: very hard to understand
12:43:53 <Steph> the results should be mobile accessible also
12:45:34 <Steph> steph: a repository surely, the document describing the methodlogy, i'm not sure
12:46:03 <Steph> stephane: how could-we move on ?
12:46:10 <Steph> ack stef
12:46:22 <Steph> ack christellescharff
12:47:14 <Steph> ack betty
12:47:28 <Steph> betty, how we are going to present document ?
12:47:33 <betty> Are we going to include some practitioners or potential users could be audience of the document? E.g. in m-agriculture, some smart farmers could read the document, which inspires them to try the tools analysed in the document. But they need more practical documents than lecturers or students.
12:47:46 <Steph> betty: are the potential users of tools are audience ?
12:48:11 <Steph> betty: e.g. farmers ?
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12:51:58 <Steph> better: easier access for simpler users, more complex access to smarter/advanced users
12:52:47 <Adesina> mHealth applications could be the main driver for mobile web
12:53:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:54:09 <Steph> Present+Shwetank
12:54:29 <Steph> zakim, [IPcaller] is shwetank
12:54:29 <Zakim> +shwetank; got it
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12:55:32 <Steph> ACtion: stephane to create or find back the wiki page to use to drive the discussion
12:55:57 <Steph> Action: stephanie to gather the different pieces expressed today and in the email thread on the wiki page
12:56:24 <betty> Is this the link for tools wiki http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_tools?
12:56:27 <Steph> Topic: NExt Meeting
12:56:59 <Steph> steph: normally next date is August 16 
12:57:12 <Steph> shwetank: not good for me
12:57:16 <betty> 16 August sounds great to me.
12:58:27 <Steph> Action: stephane to query the group to see if any of 16 and 23 have enough participant
12:59:09 <Zakim> -Stephane
12:59:10 <Zakim> -shwetank
12:59:10 <Zakim> -Stephanie
12:59:14 <Zakim> -Christelle
12:59:21 <betty> q+
12:59:46 <Zakim> -Betty
12:59:47 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
12:59:49 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.238.059.aaaa, +666742aabb, Stephane, Christelle, Betty, Stephanie, Steph, shwetank
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13:25:17 <Steph> make log public
13:25:21 <Steph> rrsagent, make log public
13:25:26 <Steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:25:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/02-mw4d-minutes.html Steph
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13:33:34 <ferlima> is the meeting over?
13:34:56 <Steph> yes
13:34:59 <Steph> hi
13:35:10 <Steph> it finished 35mn ago
13:35:50 <ferlima2> I am very sorry! I will try to attend to the next one.
13:50:27 <Steph> no problem
13:50:32 <Steph> thanks for your interest
14:05:15 <ferlima2> thank you. Can I ask you a question still?
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