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18:30:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 60 minutes
18:30:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
18:30:10 <trackbot> Date: 27 July 2010
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19:32:17 <Vikas> Zakim, aabb is Vikas
19:32:17 <Zakim> +Vikas; got it
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19:36:48 <Bob_> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jul/0004.html
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19:37:44 <amalhotr> scribe: amalhotr
19:37:49 <Bob_> scribenick: amslhotr
19:38:04 <Ram> q+
19:38:18 <amalhotr> Topic:  Agenda bashing
19:38:49 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9703
19:38:50 <amalhotr> Ram:  Asks about 9703
19:39:00 <Ram> Antoine Mensch
19:39:23 <amalhotr> ... Antoine Mensch was asking about 9703
19:39:49 <amalhotr> ... perhaps we did not communicate our response to him
19:40:27 <amalhotr> c/amslhotr/amalhotr/
19:41:17 <amalhotr> Bob:  Decided on May f2f
19:42:15 <amalhotr> ... Action:  Gil to respond ...
19:42:29 <amalhotr> Gil:  I will respond to him
19:42:57 <dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/10/05/2010-05-12.html#item13
19:43:02 <amalhotr> Bob:   Reasonsing ... we believe complexity will blow up
19:43:34 <amalhotr> Bob:  All others agreed to our disposition or have not responded
19:44:03 <amalhotr> s/Reasonsing/Reasoning/
19:45:17 <amalhotr> No other changes to agenda
19:45:55 <Bob_> last minutes at http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/10/06/2010-06-29.html
19:46:05 <amalhotr> Topic:  Minutes of June 29
19:46:19 <amalhotr> at http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/10/06/2010-06-29.html
19:46:28 <amalhotr> Approved w/o objection
19:46:52 <amalhotr> Topic: Schedule for primer and migration guide
19:47:14 <amalhotr> MEX - Katy Eventing - Gil & Wu Frag - Doug
19:47:51 <amalhotr> Bob:  We are going on hiatus for a while please think about this
19:47:55 <amalhotr> Topic:  f2f meeting
19:48:24 <amalhotr> Face to Face meeting in Lyon 1st week of November 1-6
19:48:42 <amalhotr> Bob:  During the TPAC
19:49:05 <amalhotr> ... many there in any case
19:49:10 <dug> +q
19:49:33 <Bob_> ack next
19:49:35 <amalhotr> ... shd we retain our slot on TPAC program
19:50:06 <amalhotr> Ram:  Seems like a good idea ... we can check on features at risk
19:50:08 <Bob_> ack next
19:50:39 <amalhotr> Doug:  Use it as interop event?
19:51:11 <amalhotr> Ram:  No, just discuss features which various vendors are going to implemnt
19:51:34 <amalhotr> Doug:  When are you thinking abt interop event
19:51:53 <amalhotr> ... I may not be able to go to France
19:52:28 <amalhotr> ... I suggest we postpone f2f until we can do interop testing
19:52:49 <amalhotr> ... do we need to coordinate with any other groups
19:53:58 <amalhotr> Bob:  I don't think we need to coordinate with any other groups
19:54:53 <amalhotr> Bob:  Don't have implementation schedules yet
19:56:02 <amalhotr> TomRutt:  Can we have a short mtg where others can attend by phone
19:56:14 <amalhotr> Ram:  I may be there
19:56:53 <amalhotr> Bob:  Martin and Katy may be able to attend
19:58:12 <amalhotr> TomRutt:  How abt a half-day/morning meeting?
19:59:19 <amalhotr> Bob:  We may not have any serious issues ... just tests
20:00:22 <amalhotr> Bob:  I'm inclined to tell the W3C to release the rooms at TPAC
20:00:50 <amalhotr> ... we could have a f2f/testing event later
20:01:07 <amalhotr> ... I will release the rooms
20:01:12 <amalhotr> Topic: LCWD Comments (New)
20:02:13 <amalhotr> postponed
20:02:29 <amalhotr> Topic: Second Last call WG publication Sept 10 last comment date?
20:02:29 <dug> Latest Enum:  http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wsenum.html
20:03:06 <amalhotr> Bob:  Let us accept issues we have resolved and close them
20:04:02 <amalhotr> ... can we close all resolved issues?
20:04:08 <amalhotr> No objection
20:04:09 <Zakim> -Mark_Little
20:04:30 <Tom_Rutt> q+
20:04:52 <amalhotr> Bob:  We can go on hiatus and publish LCWD
20:05:26 <amalhotr> Bob:  Any objection to publishing a seconf last call?
20:05:33 <amalhotr> No objection
20:05:43 <dug> q+
20:06:14 <Ram> q+
20:06:20 <Bob_> ack to
20:06:20 <amalhotr> Bob:  I suggest we have last call till Sept 10
20:06:35 <Bob_> ack dug
20:07:15 <amalhotr> Doug:  We could work on scenario docs ... could help flush out bugs
20:07:46 <Bob_> ack ram
20:08:16 <Tom_Rutt> q+
20:08:20 <dug> q+
20:08:24 <amalhotr> Ram:  many people in Europe are on vacation ... they want last call till late Sept
20:08:30 <Bob_> ack tom
20:08:45 <amalhotr> TomRutt:  How about meetings every 2 weeks?
20:08:54 <Bob_> ack dug
20:09:59 <amalhotr> Doug:  How abt next mtg Aug 17 and then meet weekly to discuss scenario docs.
20:10:14 <amalhotr> Bob:  Lets have next mtg Aug 17
20:10:57 <amalhotr> Bob:  ow about Last call till Sept 17?
20:11:18 <amalhotr> s/ow/How/
20:12:32 <amalhotr> Bob:  After Aug 17 we can start filling in scenario docs
20:12:55 <amalhotr> ... would be good to have some to look at
20:13:08 <amalhotr> Doug:  IBM will do some MEX scenarios
20:13:21 <amalhotr> Gil:  We can do eventing
20:14:26 <amalhotr> Doug:  Ram could you do Enum?
20:14:34 <dug> q+
20:14:44 <amalhotr> Ram:  Yes, but no timeline yet
20:15:12 <Bob_> ack net
20:15:20 <Bob_> ack next
20:15:34 <amalhotr> Doug:  Involve WSTF in our testing?
20:15:51 <Tom_Rutt> q+
20:15:59 <amalhotr> ... they can do regression test and create matrix
20:16:38 <Bob_> ack next
20:16:58 <amalhotr> TomRutt:  How do we use WSTF?
20:17:24 <amalhotr> Doug:  They would help the process not be a participant
20:18:51 <amalhotr> Ram:  No clear if MSFT will join WSTF
20:18:56 <gpilz> q+
20:18:57 <amalhotr> s/No/Not/
20:20:05 <Bob_> ack g
20:20:28 <amalhotr> Gil:  WSTF may result in a net savings of effort
20:20:50 <amalhotr> ... they will provide some infrastructure
20:22:51 <amalhotr> Bob:  Has MSFT rejected membership in WSFT?
20:24:06 <amalhotr> Ram:  Many different angles
20:24:07 <dug> non-wstf members can still participate 
20:24:29 <amalhotr> ... whether MSFT joins WSTF goes beyond this WG.
20:26:29 <amalhotr> Doug:  An WSTF member can add yr endpoint but you willnot be able to see the results ... the private WSTF stuff
20:30:11 <amalhotr> Ram:  Discusses WSTF pros and cons
20:30:43 <amalhotr> Bob:  Is there a WSTF methodology that we could replicate on W3C?
20:31:02 <amalhotr> Doug:  There is no rocket science
20:31:59 <amalhotr> Bob:  This could be useful for HTML testing ...
20:32:48 <amalhotr> Bob:  You could mention it to Paul ... may solve some of his problems
20:33:07 <amalhotr> s/You/Ram, you/
20:35:28 <Ram> q+
20:35:32 <amalhotr> Topic: Implementation plans update will plans be known for next meeting?
20:37:59 <dug> wsdd
20:38:15 <Bob_> ack r
20:38:16 <dug> wsdd tc in oasis
20:38:44 <amalhotr> Ram:  WSDD WG wants to know/share testing plans ... coverage
20:39:04 <amalhotr> Bob:  Our plans are all public
20:40:42 <amalhotr> Bob:  can we shoot for Sept 13, IBM, Oracle ...
20:41:18 <amalhotr> Bob:  Agenda for Sept 13 will be implementation plans
20:42:39 <dug> http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-resource-transfer/
20:43:31 <amalhotr> Ram:  Is it under the 'obsolete category?
20:43:46 <amalhotr> Bob:  Webmaster said he would take care of it
20:44:43 <amalhotr> s/'obsolete/'obsolete'/
20:45:04 <Zakim> -Vikas
20:45:05 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:45:05 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
20:45:07 <amalhotr> Bob:  AOB?
20:45:07 <Zakim> - +1.831.713.aaaa
20:45:09 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
20:45:14 <Bob_> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:45:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/27-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob_
20:45:16 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
20:45:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Doug_Davis, Bob_Freund, +1.831.713.aaaa, Mark_Little, [Microsoft], +1.571.262.aabb, Vikas, Tom_Rutt, Ashok_Malhotra
20:45:23 <amalhotr> Bob:  Adjourned
20:45:32 <amalhotr> rrsagent, make logs public
20:51:47 <Bob_> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:51:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/27-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob_
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