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16:00:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
16:00:41 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:41 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2010
16:00:41 <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
16:00:55 <MikeSmith> Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
16:00:55 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:01:00 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:01:00 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:01:01 <Zakim> +Mike
16:01:02 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0010.html
16:01:03 <mjs> good day
16:01:03 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:01:04 <pimpbot> Title: FW: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-08: actions, issues, decisions, revised proposals, future surveys, TF reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-07-07 (public-html@w3.org from July 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:01:15 <Eliot> Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:01:15 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
16:01:31 <paulc> test
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16:02:19 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Cynthia_Shelly, Michael_Cooper, Mike, Eliot
16:02:40 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
16:03:19 <paulc> Having trouble joining call.
16:03:31 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:03:37 <Zakim> +Julian_Reschke
16:03:49 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:03:49 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:04:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:04:23 <paulc> Maciej: Are you ready to take minutes?
16:04:25 <krisk> zakim Microsoft.a is krisk
16:04:26 <MikeSmith> mjs, you calling in?
16:04:42 <mjs> MikeSmith: yes, just fumbling the dialing a bit, I should be in shortly
16:05:06 <paulc> Who is here?
16:05:14 <paulc> zakim, who is here?
16:05:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Cynthia_Shelly, Michael_Cooper, Mike, Eliot, Laura_Carlson, [Microsoft], Julian_Reschke, [Microsoft.a]
16:05:16 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:05:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Stevef, krisk, RRSAgent, Zakim, Mark, Laura, paulc, Eliot, Lachy, miketaylr, aroben, Philip, laplink, anne, MikeSmith, matiassingers, tlr, mjs, Julian, arronei,
16:05:24 <Zakim> ... dmiles_afk, gavin, karl, shepazu, hober, Yudai, krijn, gsnedders, Dashiva, gavin_, drry, ed_work_, scotfl, CIA-1, Hixie, Slaanesh, jwm, jgraham, jmb, trackbot, webben, pimpbot,
16:05:28 <Zakim> ... Shunsuke, inimino, phenny
16:05:53 <krisk> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is krisk
16:05:53 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:06:53 <paulc> test
16:07:13 <Zakim> +Wayne_Carr
16:07:45 <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith 
16:07:49 <paulc> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, July 8
16:07:52 <MikeSmith> Chair: Paul
16:07:59 <paulc> No action items are due.
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16:08:18 <paulc> Topic: New Issues This Week
16:08:20 <paulc> None
16:08:40 <paulc> topic: Working Group decisions
16:09:01 <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aaaa
16:09:07 <mjs> paulc, I'm in now
16:09:17 <MikeSmith> scribe: mjs 
16:09:47 <paulc> issue-30?
16:09:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
16:09:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
16:09:48 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:50 <mjs> ISSUE-30 and ISSUE-88 are two issues that had surveys close last week
16:10:05 <mjs> issue-88?
16:10:05 <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open
16:10:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
16:10:06 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:26 <mjs> 95, 96 and 97 are outstanding - the chairs are working on all 3 of those
16:10:33 <paulc> Issue-95?
16:10:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- open
16:10:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
16:10:34 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:36 <mjs> we apologize for the backlog
16:10:40 <paulc> issue-96?
16:10:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open
16:10:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
16:10:41 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:45 <paulc> Issue-97?
16:10:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open
16:10:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
16:10:47 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:01 <paulc> Topic: Issues needing revised proposals
16:11:57 <paulc> The Chairs will be requesting revised proposals for the following issues.
16:12:00 <mjs> on issues 31, 56, 80, 85 and 100, we asked for revised proposals
16:12:11 <paulc> Issues 31, 56, 80, 85, 100
16:12:17 <paulc> Issue-31?
16:12:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- open
16:12:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
16:12:18 <Zakim> -Mike
16:12:18 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:23 <paulc> Issue-56?
16:12:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- open
16:12:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
16:12:24 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-56 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:29 <paulc> Issue-80?
16:12:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open
16:12:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
16:12:31 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:12:36 <paulc> issue-85?
16:12:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
16:12:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
16:12:37 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:42 <paulc> issue-100?
16:12:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-100 -- Remove the srcdoc attribute from the HTML5 specification -- open
16:12:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/100
16:12:43 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-100 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:02 <paulc> Laura updated 31,  Adam will update 56
16:13:10 <mjs> Adam Barth responded on issue-56, saying he would update it in time
16:13:16 <paulc> It appears that the 85 item is abandoned.
16:13:22 <mjs> On issue-85, steve f said it was abandoned
16:13:25 <MikeSmithX> Zakim, call Mike
16:13:25 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmithX; the call is being made
16:13:27 <Zakim> +Mike
16:13:35 <paulc> These revisions are due on Jul 15.
16:14:04 <paulc> Topic: Issues ready for survey processing
16:14:09 <mjs> Topic: upcoming surveys
16:14:32 <paulc> We will consider starting surveys on Issue 4 and 84.
16:14:33 <mjs> Surveys likely coming soon on ISSUE-4 and ISSUE-84
16:14:56 <mjs> Julian pointed out that Larry is on holiday
16:15:09 <paulc> Other surveys are for 101 and 103
16:15:12 <mjs> others under consideration: 101, 103
16:15:13 <paulc> issue-4?
16:15:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- HTML Versioning and DOCTYPEs -- open
16:15:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/4
16:15:14 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-4 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:16 <paulc> Issue-101?
16:15:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-101 -- Spec reference for US-ASCII -- open
16:15:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/101
16:15:18 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-101 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:21 <paulc> issue-103?
16:15:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- open
16:15:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
16:15:21 <Julian> q+
16:15:22 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:15:36 <paulc> ack Julian
16:15:37 <mjs> ack Julian
16:16:00 <mjs> Julian: I wanted to know if the issue 100 might make issue 103 moot
16:16:00 <paulc> The outcome of issue-103 depends on issue-100.
16:16:47 <mjs> paulc: so your advice is to make 103 dependent on first processing 100
16:16:50 <mjs> Julian: yes
16:16:55 <paulc> Julian: it might save some time to hold issue-103 until we dispose of issue-100.
16:17:08 <paulc> topic: linked issues
16:17:09 <mjs> paulc: any other comments?
16:17:15 <mjs> topic: Linked issues
16:17:28 <mjs> paulc: we had a call for consensus on issue 105
16:17:46 <mjs> paulc: as a result of follow-on discussion, we realized issues 74 and 105 need to be treated together
16:17:56 <mjs> paulc: both extended to a common date of July 30th
16:18:04 <paulc> issue-74?
16:18:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open
16:18:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
16:18:05 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:18:07 <mjs> paulc: any comments?
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16:18:16 <paulc> issue-105?
16:18:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
16:18:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:18:19 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:18:23 <MikeSmithX> Zakim, mute Mike
16:18:23 <Zakim> Mike should now be muted
16:18:28 <mjs> topic: task force reports
16:18:29 <paulc> topic: TF reports
16:18:49 <mjs> paulc: testing task force first
16:19:01 <mjs> krisk: we had a meeting recently
16:19:07 <mjs> krisk: we approved 45 test cases
16:19:12 <krisk> 11 xhtml5
16:19:15 <krisk> 3 audio
16:19:20 <krisk> 12 vidoe cases
16:19:24 <krisk> 11 canvas cases
16:19:33 <krisk> 10 foreign content cases
16:19:51 <mjs> krisk: there are more test cases that still need to be approved
16:20:22 <mjs> krisk: one issue that came up - should SVG be overflow: auto or clipped?
16:21:17 <mjs> q+
16:21:33 <mjs> krisk: I think a spec needs to be updated, I'm not sure if it's HTML5 or SVG
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16:22:23 <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
16:22:23 <paulc> Action: krisk and Testing TF to open bug on default mode when embedding SVG in HTML
16:22:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - krisk
16:22:43 <mjs> mjs: I think this is an issue for the SVG spec
16:23:22 <mjs> paulc: make sure to mention relevant sections in both HTML and SVG
16:23:25 <krisk> try kkrueger
16:23:46 <paulc> Action: kkrueger and Testint TF to open bug on default mode when embedding SVG in HTML 
16:23:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - And Testint TF to open bug on default mode when embedding SVG in HTML  [on Kris Krueger - due 2010-07-15].
16:24:58 <mjs> krisk: we need a harness for these tests
16:24:58 <paulc> krisk: next week the TF will take the Canvas tests (700+) not yet approved
16:25:19 <paulc> krisk: TF is working on figuring out how to get results for the current approved tests.
16:26:07 <mjs> paulc: any other comments?
16:26:34 <paulc> krisk: I plan to submit something that will permit easier execution of the existing approved test cases.
16:26:42 <MikeSmithX> Zakim, unmute Mike
16:26:42 <Zakim> Mike should no longer be muted
16:26:46 <paulc> Next is the Accessbility TF
16:27:04 <MikeSmithX> http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-html-a11y-minutes.html
16:27:05 <pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 08 Jul 2010 (at www.w3.org)
16:27:13 <MikeSmithX> http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-html-a11y-minutes.html
16:27:16 <pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 01 Jul 2010 (at www.w3.org)
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16:27:39 <MikeSmithX> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
16:27:41 <pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:27:43 <mjs> MikeSmithX: the focus currently is the media subteam
16:27:49 <mjs> MikeSmithX: working on requirements document
16:27:54 <MikeSmithX> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements#Captioning
16:27:55 <pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:28:04 <mjs> MikeSmithX: that includes a very high priority item, which is requirements for captioning
16:28:22 <Laura> HTML Accessibility Task Force Minute Archive: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Meetings/Minutes
16:28:23 <pimpbot> Title: Meetings/Minutes - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:28:40 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I think this will unblock the multitrack mechanism and the <track> mechanism
16:28:54 <mjs> MikeSmithX: was present and then removed
16:29:36 <mjs> MikeSmithX: requirements will be done by the end of this week
16:29:40 <mjs> q+
16:29:53 <mjs> MikeSmithX: after that we will begin to deal with the technical details
16:30:03 <paulc> ack mjs
16:30:08 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:30:19 <mjs> mjs: will the requirements document be submitted to the HTML WG
16:30:21 <paulc> Maciej:  will Requirements document be submitted to the WG?
16:30:53 <MikeSmithX> issue-9?
16:30:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
16:30:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
16:30:55 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:31:11 <MikeSmithX> last deadline was May 27
16:31:41 <mjs> MikeSmithX: last deadline was to submit the requirements document by May 27th
16:32:26 <MikeSmithX> so we are more than a month past the deadline we had set
16:32:36 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I agree the next deliverable is the requirements document and it should be done ASAP
16:33:01 <mjs> paulc: we also need a date for a proposed solution, in addition to the requirements document
16:33:31 <mjs> paulc: W3C Team is asking us when we are going to get to last call - if we don't have a date for this issue, it becomes the long pole
16:33:53 <Zakim> + +1.732.859.aabb
16:34:10 <mjs> paulc: I interrupted you earlier - would you like to continue?
16:34:42 <paulc> zakim, who is here?
16:34:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Mike, Eliot, Laura_Carlson, [Microsoft], Julian_Reschke, krisk, Wayne_Carr, +1.415.595.aaaa, +1.732.859.aabb
16:34:45 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:34:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see sjm, oedipus, johndrinkwater, kennyluck, MikeSmithX, Lachy, Stevef, krisk, RRSAgent, Zakim, Mark, Laura, paulc, Eliot, miketaylr, aroben, Philip, laplink, anne,
16:34:52 <Zakim> ... matiassingers, tlr, mjs, Julian, arronei, dmiles_afk, gavin, karl, shepazu, hober, Yudai, krijn, gsnedders, Dashiva, gavin_, drry, ed_work_, scotfl, CIA-1, Hixie, Slaanesh,
16:34:54 <Zakim> ... jwm, jgraham, jmb, trackbot, webben, pimpbot, Shunsuke, inimino, phenny
16:35:03 <mjs> MikeSmithX: along with this pending deadline for the requirements document, and a proposed solution on video, we also have an open item to provide a response about how ARIA should be integrated into HTML5
16:35:14 <MikeSmithX> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/aria-html5-proposal.html
16:35:15 <pimpbot> Title: ARIA - HTML5 proposal (at www.paciellogroup.com)
16:35:36 <MikeSmithX> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIAinHTML5
16:35:37 <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ARIAinHTML5 - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:35:40 <mjs> MikeSmithX: Steve F wrote a Change Proposal and opened a bug
16:36:46 <Laura> Steve's Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066
16:36:47 <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-085
16:36:47 <pimpbot> 1110066: faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P2, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided
16:36:48 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
16:36:51 <MikeSmithX> issue-85?
16:36:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
16:36:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
16:36:52 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:36:59 <mjs> MikeSmithX: this is meant to be a proposal for how ARIA is allowed to be used in HTML
16:37:45 <mjs> paulc: should bug 10066 be linked to issue 85, or does it make issue 85 moot?
16:37:46 <pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066 faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P2, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided
16:37:51 <mjs> MikeSmithX: the latter
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16:38:36 <mjs> paulc: so issue 85 was a specific issue, and 10066 is more general
16:38:48 <MikeSmithX> issue-85: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066
16:38:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-85 ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 notes added
16:38:49 <pimpbot> 1110066: faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P2, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided
16:38:54 <Laura> change proposal as it is superseded by the new proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0022.html
16:38:55 <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-85 anchor-roles partial Change Proposal from Steven Faulkner on 2010-07-08 (public-html@w3.org from July 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:39:02 <mjs> paulc: we should update the Change Proposal page
16:39:58 <mjs> MikeSmithX: we have been having some discussion about whether changes are needed for DnD
16:41:03 <mjs> paulc: thanks for the report
16:41:16 <Laura>  need implementor feedback on allowing keyboard activation of drag-and-drop events: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jun/0260.html
16:41:17 <pimpbot> Title: Re: need implementor feedback on allowing keyboard activation of drag-and-drop events from Michael(tm) Smith on 2010-06-30 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:41:31 <paulc> Topic: Other business
16:41:33 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10083
16:41:34 <pimpbot> 1110083: shelleyp@burningbird.net, P2, REOPENED, 13Remove references to Microdata from within the document
16:41:57 <mjs> paulc: Julian wanted to discuss bug 10083
16:41:58 <pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10083 shelleyp@burningbird.net, P2, REOPENED, 13Remove references to Microdata from within the document
16:42:42 <mjs> Julian: I understand wanting to add useful information, but I don't think it's good to add information about Microdata but not RDFa
16:43:23 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I responded in great detail in the bug
16:43:50 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I don't think this is a change in scope
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16:44:38 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I think it's useful data
16:44:55 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I can see some people disagreed with publishing Microdata, but it is published as a deliverable
16:45:21 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I disagree with the argument that the markup language document can't reference other deliverables
16:45:28 <Julian> q+
16:45:37 <mjs> paulc: there seems to be sentiment that this is undoing a previous decision
16:46:19 <mjs> MikeSmithX: my document doesn't currently include any additional attributes from RDFa or from Microdata
16:47:00 <mjs> MikeSmithX: but there is a difference that is characteristic of Microdata - there is a closer binding between Microdata and the HTML language
16:47:33 <mjs> MikeSmithX: the corresponding information doesn't exist for RDFa
16:47:51 <paulc> ack julian
16:49:10 <mjs> Julian: what I hear is that Mike is not intending to add RDFa or Microdata attributes
16:49:18 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:49:24 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I'm saying that I haven't added them yet
16:49:31 <mjs> Julian: people may be sensitive about this topic
16:49:58 <mjs> Julian: I'm confused about the Microdata reference
16:50:35 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I believe I addressed this in comments about the bug
16:50:57 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I have other out-of-context information that is not directly tied, but is a helpful reference
16:52:10 <mjs> Julian: is the current state temporary?
16:52:23 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I do intend to add descriptions
16:53:51 <mjs> paulc: if there is a Microdata reference and no RDFa reference, people will file bugs
16:54:14 <mjs> MikeSmithX: there isn't equivalent information on RDFa to what I have for Microdata
16:54:20 <mjs> Julian: I will have to think about it
16:54:39 <mjs> Julian: I think it's confusing
16:54:45 <mjs> MikeSmithX: I disagree that it's confusing
16:55:40 <Julian> q+
16:55:41 <mjs> paulc: I think one thing that would be valuable would be for you to describe in prose what you think the scope of the document is, beyond what the status section is, and what additional items may be needed in the spec
16:55:48 <mjs> ack Julian
16:55:49 <paulc> ack julian
16:56:20 <mjs> Julian: now that this is a WD, the WG should know more about the plans
16:57:30 <mjs> Julian: I don't necessarily disagree with where the document should go, but I'd like to know more about the plans
16:57:44 <mjs> paulc: can you think about my plans?
16:57:47 <mjs> MikeSmithX: thanks
16:58:20 <paulc> topic: scribe for next week
16:58:37 <paulc> Any volunteers?
16:58:45 <mjs> (no volunteers)
16:58:48 <paulc> paul Cotton will volunteer to scribe next week.
16:58:56 <paulc> topic: adjournment
16:59:00 <mjs> topic: adjournment
16:59:02 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:59:05 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:59:06 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:59:06 <paulc> Meeting ended at 12:58pm ET
16:59:07 <Zakim> -Wayne_Carr
16:59:08 <Zakim> -krisk
16:59:09 <Zakim> -Julian_Reschke
16:59:19 <MikeSmithX>  . RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:31 <mjs> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-html-wg-minutes.html mjs
16:59:36 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
16:59:51 <Zakim> -Eliot
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16:59:57 <Zakim> - +1.732.859.aabb
17:00:19 <MikeSmithX> Zakim, drop Mike
17:00:19 <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
17:00:21 <Zakim> -Mike
17:15:27 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:15:29 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:15:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Cynthia_Shelly, Michael_Cooper, Mike, Eliot, Laura_Carlson, Julian_Reschke, paulc, [Microsoft], krisk, Wayne_Carr, +1.415.595.aaaa, +1.732.859.aabb
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18:39:05 <pimpbot> planet: On HTML5 article element <11http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/on-html5-article-element/>
19:01:38 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10112] New: should element.click() also set focus on the clicked element? This is not clear from the steps given for the click() method <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0146.html>
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20:01:54 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10113] New: make </rt> optional (in syntax and parser) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0147.html>
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20:32:03 <pimpbot> changes: mike: added RDFa usage note to descriptions of the lang and xml:lang attributes <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0025.html> 4** mike: added "RDFa evaluation context" subsection for <base>, <html>, and <body> elements; not sure that is the best title for the section, but could not think of a better one... <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0024.html>
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21:32:18 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10083] Remove references to Microdata from within the document <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0149.html> 4** [Bug 9959] Remove the wording"polyglot document" and incorporate formulations from title instead <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0148.html>
22:02:25 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9972] colgroup not mentioned <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0154.html> 4** [Bug 9685] empty elements in polyglot documents <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0153.html> 4** [Bug 10114] New: Rather than having inline documentation for external scripts, what would be infinitely more useful would be the contents of a script tag with a src attribute should be executed up
22:32:33 <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10115] EOF handling in foreign content needs to change the insertion mode" (4 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0160.html> 4** [Bug 10115] New: EOF handling in foreign content needs to change the insertion mode <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0156.html> 4** [Bug 9971] The XLink namespace is suggested to be declared on <html> <11http://lists.w3.o
23:02:41 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9969] The polyglot publication implies it is normative <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0165.html> 4** [Bug 9966] Include a history section. Say that this spec replaces Appendix C and related docs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0164.html> 4** [Bug 9962] Permitted Character Encodings should be UTF-8 (recommended) and UTF-16 (permitted) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archiv
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23:32:50 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10075] specify that polyglot docs do not contain xml:space or xml:base attributes <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0168.html> 4** [Bug 9968] The definition of 'polyglot document' should be be stricter <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0167.html> 4** [Bug 10014] XHTML1 Doctypes cause DOM diff in XML parsers with external entity handling <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives