IRC log of ssn on 2010-07-06

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12:59:05 [laurent_lefort_cs]

rrsagent, bookmark

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See http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-ssn-irc#T12-59-05

12:59:12 [laurent_lefort_cs]

zakim, this will be inc_ssn

12:59:12 [Zakim]

ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

12:59:20 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Meeting: SSN XG

12:59:27 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Chair: Laurent

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INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started

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+[IPcaller]

13:00:00 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jul/0001.html

13:00:04 [Payam]

zakim, IPcaller is me

13:00:04 [Zakim]

+Payam; got it

13:00:05 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jul/0001.html

13:00:32 [michael]

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13:00:52 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Regrets: Kerry, Sumita, Cory, David

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+??P2

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+[IPcaller]

13:02:03 [michael]

zakim, ??P2 is me

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+michael; got it

13:02:17 [laurent_lefort_cs]

zakim, [IPCaller] is me

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+laurent_lefort_cs; got it

13:02:29 [laurent_lefort_cs]

zakim,who's there?

13:02:29 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, laurent_lefort_cs.

13:02:38 [laurent_lefort_cs]

zakim,who's on the call?

13:02:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Payam, michael, laurent_lefort_cs

13:02:45 [Zakim]

+ +1.202.408.aaaa

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+[IPcaller]

13:03:30 [krzysztof_j]

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-[IPcaller]

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+[IPcaller]

13:04:05 [Arthur]

zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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+Arthur; got it

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+ +44.190.865.aabb

13:04:19 [Andriy]

zakim, aabb is me

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+Andriy; got it

13:04:37 [Luis_Bermudez]

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+??P12

13:04:57 [krzysztof_j]

zakim, ??P12 is me

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+krzysztof_j; got it

13:06:42 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ScribeNick: arthur

13:07:45 [Arthur]

Topic: What happens after the XG

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13:11:19 [krzysztof_j]

yes

13:11:26 [Arthur]

round table with everyone to see how we are going to use/maintain the SSN ontology further

13:12:15 [Zakim]

+??P16

13:12:16 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Andriy : It is important to put it somewhere. My project has different

13:12:17 [laurent_lefort_cs]

K: Sourceforge rather than W3C - because it would open

13:12:26 [krzysztof_j]

summary: put it online at sourceforge, make it available, use the sourceforge infrastructure, continue to work on it and keep it alive)

13:12:31 [krp]

zakim, ??P16 is me

13:12:31 [Zakim]

+krp; got it

13:13:01 [krzysztof_j]

laurent: yes, you are right, not everybody - but the people who are respeonsible

13:13:12 [krzysztof_j]

ack

13:13:15 [krzysztof_j]

+1

13:15:42 [Arthur]

Luis: It is imortant to maintain the ontolgy further and to have a maintainer

13:15:42 [krp]

ok, thanks

13:16:30 [Arthur]

Laurent: It can be continued it by using the mailing list, which will stay open

13:18:16 [krzysztof_j]

+q

13:19:01 [Arthur]

Somebody proposed to use sourceforge

13:19:23 [Luis_Bermudez]

+q

13:19:37 [krzysztof_j]

ack

13:19:51 [Arthur]

Laurent: openeing the group to more people to benefit of the W3C groups work

13:19:55 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ack Luis_Bermudez

13:20:22 [krzysztof_j]

I agree with luis!

13:21:32 [krzysztof_j]

(we can still have release managers responsible for the stable versions)

13:22:14 [Arthur]

... stability and closenes to other organisations (OGC,...) is ipmortant

13:22:34 [Luis_Bermudez]

+q

13:23:28 [Arthur]

... Is there some comunity to maintain the different usecases in the future?

13:24:25 [krzysztof_j]

me

13:24:40 [Payam]

+1

13:24:44 [michael]

me

13:24:48 [Luis_Bermudez]

+q

13:24:55 [krzysztof_j]

-Q

13:24:57 [krp]

+q

13:25:44 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ack Luis_Bermudez

13:25:48 [krzysztof_j]

(@arthur: the ontology as such should be free of a use case, these should be added on the level of application ontologies)

13:25:57 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ack krp

13:27:07 [michael]

+q

13:27:30 [krzysztof_j]

ack!

13:28:02 [Arthur]

Laurent: shall the ontology be freezed at the end of the SSNXG and the further developenent continued somewhere else?

13:31:00 [Arthur]

Michael: need some kind of checkpointing/versioning of the ontology

13:31:15 [krzysztof_j]

(for instance, I am not a W3C member)

13:33:01 [Arthur]

Laurent: How and where to host the further developement?

13:33:25 [krp]

+q

13:33:35 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ack michael

13:34:26 [krzysztof_j]

ack

13:35:35 [krp]

that is, after a transition period

13:36:20 [krp]

where the XG deliverable version lives, or where following versions live?

13:36:34 [krp]

(won't the deliverable version be perfect anyway? :) )

13:38:06 [Arthur]

Laurent: How many people here are going to continue working on the ontology?

13:40:10 [Luis_Bermudez]

+1

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+q

13:41:25 [krp]

So do you mean dissemination activities to other bodies like OGC?

13:41:45 [krzysztof_j]

(the OGC is aware of our work)

13:42:07 [krp]

Or input on incorporating the ontology into future OGC standard?

13:42:39 [Luis_Bermudez]

+q

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-q

13:42:49 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ack krp

13:44:29 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ack Luis_Bermudez

13:45:31 [krp]

oh, sorry, geosparql

13:46:08 [Arthur]

Luis: Shall we provide SPARQL kind of interface to the XXN ontology to open the work to the OGC?

13:50:08 [Arthur]

Arthur: what possibilities do exist to keep maintaning of the SSN ontolgy inside the W3C?

13:51:53 [Arthur]

Laurent: 1st possibility: continue developement inside a working group

13:52:15 [krzysztof_j]

+q

13:52:36 [Luis_Bermudez]

+q

13:53:55 [Arthur]

... 2nd possibility: ontology being maintained by an external party, which complies with the protocols of the W3C. The ontolgy would still be hosted by the W3C.

13:54:05 [krp]

+1 - build the experience and momentum, then take it for further standardisation if desired

13:55:04 [krzysztof_j]

hmm, 99,999% of the SW is not OGC but very interested in the semantic sensor web

13:55:14 [krp]

+q

13:55:56 [laurent_lefort_cs]

ack krzystof_j

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-q

14:00:05 [Arthur]

krzystof_j: Doesn't want to take the developement of the ontolgy out of W3C, but make it more open also for non W3C people to participate in the work.

14:02:42 [krp]

and there are other people working with sensors in the lab here affiliated in with other projects, who are potential users of the ontology

14:02:47 [Zakim]

-krp

14:03:57 [krp]

(I think the line has dropped for me - ok for everyone else?)

14:04:26 [michael]

fine fore me

14:04:40 [Payam]

fine for me also- I use Skype

14:04:46 [michael]

+q

14:05:33 [michael]

-q

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-q

14:05:49 [krp]

Line dropped, and now can't get into conference room as we're over time.

14:07:23 [Zakim]

- +1.202.408.aaaa

14:07:26 [krzysztof_j]

thanks laurent, by

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-michael

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-Payam

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-krzysztof_j

14:07:34 [krzysztof_j]

e

14:07:38 [Payam]

thanks and bye

14:07:44 [michael]

bye

14:07:49 [Zakim]

-Andriy

14:08:05 [laurent_lefort_cs]

zakim, who's making noise

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I don't understand 'who's making noise', laurent_lefort_cs

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-Arthur

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-laurent_lefort_cs

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INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Payam, michael, laurent_lefort_cs, +1.202.408.aaaa, Arthur, +44.190.865.aabb, Andriy, krzysztof_j, krp

14:29:39 [laurent_lefort_cs]

rrsagent, make log public

14:29:52 [laurent_lefort_cs]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs

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s/XXN/SSN/

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s/comunity/community/

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s/closenes/closeness/

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs

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rrsagent, make log public

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s/respeonsible/responsible/

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s/openeing/opening/

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s/usecases/use cases/

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rrsagent, please generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs

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rrsagent, make log public

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