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15:57:56 <Ashok> zakim, this is RDB2RDF
15:57:56 <Zakim> Ashok, I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be RDB2RDF".
15:58:18 <Ashok> zakim, this will be RDB2RDF
15:58:19 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:40 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
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15:58:47 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aaaa
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15:58:52 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is me
15:58:52 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
15:59:37 <juansequeda> running 5 min lates
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16:00:41 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
16:01:50 <Zakim> +Seema
16:02:06 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
16:02:22 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software
16:02:22 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
16:02:30 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:02:30 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:02:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:32 <Ashok> present: LeeF, Ashok, Harry_Halpin, Seema_Sundara, Kingsley_Idehan
16:02:32 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:02:33 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:02:33 <Zakim> +Souri
16:02:34 <Zakim> + +1.562.249.aabb
16:02:41 <Angela> Angela has joined #RDB2RDF
16:02:44 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, MacTed (muted), [IPcaller], Souri, +1.562.249.aabb
16:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Angela, nunolopes, boris, Seema, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ashok, hhalpin, MacTed, LeeF, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
16:02:48 <Marcelo> Marcelo has joined #rdb2rdf
16:02:52 <hhalpin> Zakim, [IPcaller] is hhalpin
16:02:52 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
16:03:03 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:03:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +1.562.249.aabb
16:03:03 <Souri> Souri has joined #rdb2rdf
16:03:16 <Ashok> present+: Souri
16:03:21 <MacTed> Ashok - s/Kingsley_Idehan/MacTed/
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16:04:43 <hhalpin> Juan?
16:04:44 <Zakim> +juansequeda
16:04:48 <juansequeda> back
16:05:26 <Zakim> +alexdeleon
16:05:33 <hhalpin> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:05:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, MacTed (muted), hhalpin, Souri, +1.562.249.aabb, juansequeda, alexdeleon
16:05:45 <Ashok> prsent+: Alex, Juan
16:05:48 <Zakim> + +35385271aacc
16:05:59 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:05:59 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose alexdeleon
16:06:12 <Ashok> present+: Alex, Juan
16:06:19 <nunolopes> Zakim, aacc is nunolopes
16:06:19 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
16:06:26 <Zakim> +EricP
16:06:55 <Ashok> present+: Boris, EricP
16:07:05 <ericP> hhalpin: type a summary
16:07:09 <ericP> ... and continue like this
16:07:12 <nunolopes> Zakim, mute me
16:07:12 <Zakim> nunolopes should now be muted
16:07:13 <hhalpin> scribenick: boris
16:07:29 <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to re-do scribelist to accurately reflect working group composition
16:07:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Re-do scribelist to accurately reflect working group composition [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-22].
16:08:00 <hhalpin> scribe: boris
16:08:11 <boris> Ashok: I will be co-chair for the next few months
16:08:21 <hhalpin> topic: Approval of minutes
16:08:21 <Ashok> Topic: Approval of Minutes
16:08:47 <boris> Ashok: approval of minutes
16:08:59 <hhalpin> http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:09:09 <hhalpin> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 8th of June http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:09:13 <hhalpin> +1
16:09:19 <juansequeda> +1
16:09:24 <boris> +1
16:09:41 <boris> ashok resolution
16:09:48 <hhalpin> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 8th of June approved.  http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:10:03 <Ashok> RESOLUTI ON:  Minutes for June 8 approved w/o objection
16:10:15 <boris> ashok RESOLUTION:  Minutes for June 8 approved w/o objection
16:10:45 <Ashok> Topic:  Panel at SemTech
16:10:55 <hhalpin> ericP, richard, dan, juan, souri, ashok
16:10:56 <Ashok> Harry will not be there
16:10:59 <LeeF> I will be there as well.
16:11:00 <hhalpin> now earlier I had a slightly different list
16:11:16 <LeeF> When is the panel?
16:11:21 <juansequeda> Wednesday
16:11:25 <hhalpin> earlier we had:
16:11:26 <LeeF> When on Wednesday? :)
16:11:34 <hhalpin> souri, leeF, daniel, Juna, Eric, Orri
16:11:38 <boris> ashok semtech Topic http://semtech2010.semanticuniverse.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=42&proposalid=3019
16:11:47 <hhalpin> so I guess what I'm trying to figure out is....ashok, your definitely not htere.
16:11:55 <hhalpin> Orri?
16:12:02 <hhalpin> Souri, your definitely there.
16:12:07 <boris> hhalpin who will be there¿
16:12:09 <hhalpin> correct?
16:12:12 <LeeF> 11:30am on Wednesday?
16:12:19 <MacTed> unknown attendance...  hopeful
16:12:33 <hhalpin> orri not on phone?
16:12:54 <hhalpin> ivan is moderating.
16:13:00 <LeeF> I will be there. 
16:13:32 <hhalpin> Orri is the only real unknown.
16:13:44 <Souri> :-)
16:13:45 <boris> hhalpin: will send the semtech people the update
16:13:54 <hhalpin> ACTION: Send SemTech people an update once I hear Orri.
16:13:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Send
16:14:05 <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to send SemTech people an update once I hear Orri.
16:14:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Send SemTech people an update once I hear Orri. [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-22].
16:14:28 <boris> hhalpin: do you want to brainstorm this here?
16:14:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:15:08 <LeeF> If I were in the audience, I think I'd want to hear about (a) use cases (b) practical experiences (c) potential different approaches (d) why a standard? (e) timing (f) open questions
16:15:36 <hhalpin> I was hoping to get some tech feelings from the audience
16:15:45 <hhalpin> such as do people want SQL to SPARQL mappings
16:15:52 <hhalpin> 1) SQL to SPARQL mappings
16:15:57 <Angela> (sorry I can not call in on the UK or FR bridge!)
16:17:08 <LeeF> I think the audience would be perfectly happy to know about implementations, whether open source or commercial -- I think it's pretty safe that it won't turn into a product pitch session
16:17:23 <boris> eric: representative of those companies (implementors?), he will appreaciate that ...
16:17:26 <Zakim> + +046128aadd
16:17:32 <juansequeda> Zakim, who is making noise?
16:17:32 <hhalpin> 2) XML or more turtle like language
16:17:42 <Ashok> present+: Orri
16:17:42 <Souri> audience will be wondering about the benefits and feasibility
16:17:43 <Zakim> juansequeda, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (24%), alexdeleon (15%), EricP (80%), [IPcaller] (35%)
16:17:46 <hhalpin> 3) SPARQL CONSTRUCT, SQL Views, RIF for interoperability
16:17:52 <boris> ashok:  will be there at the panel?
16:18:15 <boris> eric: we will probably hear some from openlink
16:18:21 <LeeF> hhalpin, i'm skeptical that most of the audience will be swapped in to give informed feedback on that level of technical question
16:18:40 <hhalpin> Zakim, who's making noise
16:18:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', hhalpin
16:19:12 <juansequeda> present+: Juan
16:19:16 <boris> hhalpin: need the exact number of participants
16:19:37 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
16:19:49 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: EricP (48%)
16:20:20 <boris> hhalpin: some technical questions, sparql-sql-r2rml 
16:21:50 <hhalpin> glad to have your opinion orri!
16:22:00 <hhalpin> I was just thinking that we should ask the audience if they have any preference.
16:22:17 <Souri> present+: Souri
16:22:46 <LeeF> Present+: LeeF
16:22:54 <juansequeda> Present+: Dan
16:22:56 <Zakim> -EricP
16:23:05 <boris> hhalpin: if people have questions, send email to me ... before friday
16:23:31 <boris> hhalpin: put them on the wiki
16:23:37 <hhalpin> everyone should put questions for ivan for panel on wiki
16:23:40 <hhalpin> I'll make the wiki page now.
16:23:45 <hhalpin> hold on one sec...
16:23:48 <Zakim> +EricP
16:24:08 <boris> ashok: is this ok hhalpin?
16:24:12 <boris> hhalpin: ok
16:24:25 <hhalpin> q+ to ask about TPAC 2010 vs ISWC for next f2f
16:24:29 <boris> ashok: F2F meeting
16:24:37 <hhalpin> topic: face to face meeting
16:24:43 <Ashok> Topic: f2f at SemTech 
16:24:48 <boris> ashok: let's hear eric about the logistitcs
16:25:55 <boris> eric: a room no pay for, ascreen, network may cost some money, a small number of people, is this sufficient?,
16:26:48 <boris> ashok: Room at Hilton, where?
16:27:14 <boris> eric: do not anything for network
16:27:38 <boris> ashok: would you be able to send an email today with the details?
16:27:43 <Souri> Hilton Union Square: Room#? Time? 8-5pm? (with some breaks)
16:28:23 <boris> ashok; earlier better
16:28:38 <boris> ashok: starting time?
16:30:25 <boris> ashok: next topic A direcrt mapping  of Relational data to RDF
16:30:48 <Souri> s/direcrt/direct/
16:31:16 <boris> ashok: having this valuavle F2F we will have progress 
16:31:50 <Souri> +1 to ashok about detailed discussion about the two main approaches
16:31:56 <Souri> sure
16:32:03 <boris> ashok: one question, souri and juan are ok with sql approach
16:32:04 <boris> ?
16:32:11 <juansequeda> http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.txt
16:32:51 <Souri> I will be glad (actually eager) to speak
16:33:15 <boris> ashok: what about the other approach?
16:33:23 <boris> eric: he can do it
16:34:11 <boris> ashok: sql based approach, rdf based approach and direct mapping, what else?
16:34:35 <boris> ashok: send a tentative agenda
16:35:22 <boris> hhalpin: next F2F in lyon november?
16:35:44 <boris> hhalpin: TPAC or ISWC?
16:35:58 <boris> ashok: when is the iswc?
16:36:07 <hhalpin> Nov 7-11
16:36:27 <hhalpin> TPAC Lyon France 1-5th Nov.
16:36:33 <hhalpin> ISWC is Shanghai
16:36:38 <hhalpin> Li Ma can make it...
16:37:06 <LeeF> In the SPARQL WG, we've had a lot of success with 2-location f2f meetings linked with video conferencing software
16:37:11 <boris> juan: where most the people are located?
16:37:11 <hhalpin> I think it's mostly USA based, with a significant Europe minority.
16:37:19 <LeeF> they are *almost* as good as having everyone in one place, and a lot easier to setup
16:37:37 <hhalpin> Planning to TPAC 2010?
16:37:38 <ericP> +tpac -iswc
16:37:41 <Souri> we should emulate SPARQL f2f
16:37:47 <Ashok> Who is going to be at TPA?C?
16:37:47 <hhalpin> +1 
16:37:53 <Ashok> +!
16:37:57 <juansequeda> -tpac +iswc
16:38:00 <LeeF> I don't expect to be at TPAC, but there's a slim chance.
16:38:02 <Souri> as Lee said
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16:38:04 <Ashok> +!
16:38:11 <Souri> q+
16:38:12 <Ashok> +1
16:38:23 <hhalpin> ISWC 2010?
16:38:28 <juansequeda> +1
16:38:33 <Angela> +1
16:38:34 <LeeF> I don't expect to be at ISWC, but there's a slim chance. :-)
16:38:51 <Souri> I still favor the sparql group's 2-location solution for f2f
16:38:56 <boris> ashok: Angela, where you going to be? iswc?
16:39:01 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
16:39:01 <Zakim> hhalpin, you wanted to ask about TPAC 2010 vs ISWC for next f2f
16:39:08 <nunolopes> +1 ISWC, hopefully :)
16:39:14 <LeeF> ack Souri
16:39:56 <LeeF> "share the pain" :-)
16:40:09 <LeeF> We started 7am at our first f2f
16:40:28 <boris> ashok: what did you do for the video connection?
16:41:19 <boris> leef: no technical details, standard video protocols, sound goes well, it was a lot easy to organize
16:41:36 <boris> ashok: do we have a videoconference room at oracle?
16:42:09 <boris> juansequeda: maybe at UT
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16:43:23 <hhalpin> I'm happy with a small face-to-face at ISWC 2010 and then a USA video conf - how about that?
16:43:32 <hhalpin> q+ confirm on ISWC with video conferencing
16:43:40 <hhalpin> q+ to ask re confirming
16:43:49 <hhalpin> ack confirm
16:43:49 <Zakim> confirm, you wanted to comment on ISWC with video conferencing
16:43:54 <boris> ashok: let's talk about during august
16:44:19 <boris> hhalpin: ok, during august
16:45:07 <LeeF> ...except the SPARQL WG isn't currently planning to meet at TPAC :)
16:46:09 <Ashok> Topic:  Direct Mapping
16:46:59 <Ashok> Richard recommended set theoretic approach
16:47:17 <ericP> http://jay.w3.org/~eric/directGraph/schema
16:47:34 <boris> eric: volunteer juan
16:47:43 <Ashok> ... as editor
16:47:49 <boris> thanks ashok
16:48:33 <boris> ashok: published as a wokring draft
16:48:37 <boris> eric: yes,
16:49:06 <juansequeda> http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.txt
16:49:07 <boris> juan: is not confortable at the moment, logic is not right, syntax does not make sense
16:49:53 <boris> juan: is preparing the same thing that eric is doing, juan finish these rules today
16:50:35 <boris> juan: this is not juan system, is a logically corrected system
16:50:59 <boris> juan: not rush on this, let's discus this in F2F
16:51:24 <boris> juan: why 2 documents?
16:51:41 <boris> eric: one the rdf, the other the schema that describes the rdf
16:52:53 <boris> eric: different audiences ...
16:53:09 <Ashok> s/wokring/working/
16:53:24 <boris> juan: they are semantically the same, why one doc with 2 sections
16:53:38 <boris> eric: how having the schema help us define the language?
16:53:56 <boris> juan: the schema is also a graph ...
16:54:08 <boris> eric: a graph that describes another graph
16:54:38 <hhalpin> q+ to ask about direct mapping requirement
16:55:36 <boris> eric: for instance sparql wg split the documents as well, he is just following that
16:55:54 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
16:55:54 <Zakim> hhalpin, you wanted to ask re confirming and to ask about direct mapping requirement
16:56:48 <boris> hhalpin: put an action before we publish ... 
16:57:21 <hhalpin> 1) Just e-mail Perez and Marcelo to check semantics also before we hit FPWD 
16:57:35 <hhalpin> although yes, of course we really need to publish more often.
16:57:40 <Ashok> +1
16:57:41 <hhalpin> 2) Also, we do have a direct mapping
16:58:32 <boris> juansequeda: again, do not rush on this
16:58:54 <boris> marcelo: agree with check the semantics
16:59:36 <boris> eric: datalog o set theoric for this?
16:59:39 <Souri> let us discuss this at F2F (if time permits)
16:59:49 <boris> ashok: anything else?
17:00:00 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minute
17:00:00 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please draft minute', ericP.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:00:02 <boris> ashok: how handle the minutes?
17:00:04 <hhalpin> scribe should mail them out
17:00:09 <hhalpin> to list
17:00:10 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:00:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html ericP
17:00:22 <hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting
17:00:22 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:00:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.617.553.aaaa, LeeF, Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, MacTed, Souri, +1.562.249.aabb, hhalpin, juansequeda, alexdeleon, +35385271aacc, nunolopes,
17:00:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:00:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
17:00:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:00:26 <Zakim> ... EricP, [IPcaller], +046128aadd
17:01:23 <hhalpin> I've been adding them to the homepage as soon as I can get around to it.
17:01:25 <boris> ashok: would you pls send this to the WG?
17:01:31 <hhalpin> the key is to e-mail them to WG.
17:01:46 <hhalpin> good luck everyone, wish I was there!
17:01:53 <boris> juansequeda: who will be earlier on saturday?
17:02:31 <Zakim> - +046128aadd
17:02:33 <Zakim> -Souri
17:02:35 <Zakim> -EricP
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17:02:37 <Zakim> -juansequeda
17:02:39 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:02:39 <boris> apologies for the scribing 
17:02:41 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:02:43 <Zakim> -Seema
17:02:45 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:02:54 <Zakim> -nunolopes
17:03:01 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
17:03:03 <Zakim> -alexdeleon
17:03:10 <Zakim> -LeeF
17:03:23 <Ashok> rrsagent, create minutes
17:03:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html Ashok
17:04:46 <Zakim> -hhalpin
17:04:56 <Zakim> - +1.562.249.aabb
17:04:56 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
17:04:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.553.aaaa, LeeF, Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, MacTed, Souri, +1.562.249.aabb, hhalpin, juansequeda, alexdeleon, +35385271aacc, nunolopes, EricP, [IPcaller],
17:05:00 <Zakim> ... +046128aadd
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