IRC log of ssn on 2010-06-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc
- 12:55:37 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- rrsagent, bookmark
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- See http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc#T12-55-37
- 12:55:51 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- zakim, this will be inc_ssn
- 12:55:51 [Zakim]
- ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
- 12:56:19 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Meeting: SSN XG
- 12:56:28 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Chair: Laurent
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jun/0008.html
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- INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started
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- +[IPcaller]
- 12:58:02 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- rrsagent, please make record public
- 12:58:07 [Payam]
- zakim, IPcaller is me
- 12:58:07 [Zakim]
- +Payam; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, IPCaller is me
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- +laurent_lefort_cs; got it
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- +??P6
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- ??P6 is me
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaler] is me
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- sorry, michael, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaler]'
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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- +michael; got it
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- Zakim, +??P6 is me.
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- sorry, vhuang, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
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- + +61.4.097.8.aaaa
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- +[IPcaller]
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- Zakim, ??P6 is me.
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- +vhuang; got it
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- zakim. +61.4.097 is me
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- zakim, +61.4.097.8.aaaa is me
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- +kerry; got it
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- 13:04:44 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- zakim, who is here
- 13:04:44 [Zakim]
- laurent_lefort_cs, you need to end that query with '?'
- 13:04:48 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:04:48 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Payam, laurent_lefort_cs, vhuang, michael, kerry, Arthur
- 13:04:50 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see krp, Arthur, kerry, michael, RRSAgent, Zakim, vhuang, laurent_lefort_cs, Payam, trackbot
- 13:05:59 [Zakim]
- + +0238059aabb
- 13:06:14 [krp]
- zakin, +0238059aabb is me
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- zakim, +0238059aabb is me
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- +krp; got it
- 13:09:45 [vhuang]
- This is a test
- 13:11:33 [Payam]
- I can help
- 13:11:39 [cory]
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- 13:12:03 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Topic: Previous meeting
- 13:12:41 [kerry]
- scribenick: vhuang
- 13:13:34 [cory]
- calling in now
- 13:13:40 [cory]
- sorry i'm late
- 13:13:42 [Zakim]
- + +1.937.775.aacc
- 13:13:57 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Minutes from previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-ssn-minutes.html
- 13:14:26 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Work plan Semantic Markup http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Mark_up
- 13:15:29 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Mappings_Deliverable
- 13:15:39 [vhuang]
- No comments on Semantic Mark up.
- 13:16:12 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Terminology_and_Term_Provenance_in_the_Ontology
- 13:19:28 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Laurent: Can we add information saying which part of the ontology a class belongs to (e.g. like a suing skos:inScheme) ?
- 13:19:43 [Payam]
- +q
- 13:19:56 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- s/suing/using/
- 13:21:25 [kerry]
- suggesting use a new annotation property for each "part" of the ontology -- and the annotation property may not be filled in (I'm not usre this quite makes sense)
- 13:21:39 [kerry]
- maybe payams is beter
- 13:22:00 [Payam]
- a different approach could be annotating new concepts or concetps that have been adapted from other ontologies
- 13:22:19 [Payam]
- and preserving namespace for concepts which are directly included from external ontolgies
- 13:22:39 [kerry]
- i am not comforatble with "preserving namespace"
- 13:23:31 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Vote on the idea to group things together within the same OWL file:
- 13:23:38 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- +1
- 13:23:48 [kerry]
- i don't get it either
- 13:24:01 [kerry]
- i think we need a worked out proposal before voting on this
- 13:24:05 [cory]
- what are the groups?
- 13:24:16 [kerry]
- ok
- 13:24:21 [Payam]
- question: do we need an annotation?
- 13:24:29 [michael]
- +q
- 13:24:47 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack Payam
- 13:25:57 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Michael: use the reference to the documentation page as the structuring/grouping method
- 13:26:05 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Vote on Michael's proposal:
- 13:26:09 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- +1
- 13:27:52 [kerry]
- +q
- 13:28:09 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack michael
- 13:28:21 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack kerry
- 13:28:22 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Terminology_and_Term_Provenance_in_the_Ontology
- 13:30:05 [Arthur]
- I like the idea to group concepts inside the owl file, but I am not sure how you would do it. (question to Laurent)
- 13:30:32 [vhuang]
- Kerry, using ontology as reference to the wiki when there is no automatic way to do it.
- 13:30:45 [Payam]
- +q
- 13:31:18 [vhuang]
- Payam, using RDF "seeAlso" to the wiki page.
- 13:31:53 [Payam]
- using kerry's proposal: RDF rdfs:comments + RDF rdf:seeAlso to refer to wiki page
- 13:32:49 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_utilvocab
- 13:33:27 [kerry]
- +q
- 13:33:44 [Payam]
- ack Payam
- 13:33:47 [Zakim]
- + +1.202.408.aadd
- 13:33:54 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack kerry
- 13:34:17 [michael]
- +q
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- 13:35:10 [Luis_Bermudez]
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- 13:35:24 [kerry]
- +q
- 13:36:10 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ACTION: Kerry to add usage of see also in wiki page documenting annotations
- 13:36:11 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-29 - Add usage of see also in wiki page documenting annotations [on Kerry Taylor - due 2010-06-15].
- 13:36:24 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Topic: Status/work plan for the Ontology deliverable
- 13:36:47 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology
- 13:40:24 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts
- 13:42:11 [Luis_Bermudez]
- im here
- 13:43:28 [michael]
- +q
- 13:43:29 [Luis_Bermudez]
- +q
- 13:44:03 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Laurent describing the content of the two pages and the intent to identify the sub-deliverables of the Ontology work packages
- 13:45:58 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Michael: Reminder that figure in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts does not reflect exactly the current ontology
- 13:49:30 [vhuang]
- Luis, we should have one wiki page where all ontology linked to each other.
- 13:51:15 [kerry]
- +q
- 13:52:31 [Luis_Bermudez]
- +q
- 13:52:41 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack kerry
- 13:53:35 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Discussion on how the external ontologies are related to the XG ontology: extensions/examples or mappings
- 13:53:47 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack michael
- 13:53:50 [Payam]
- ack michael
- 13:54:04 [Payam]
- ack Luis_Bermudez
- 13:54:41 [vhuang]
- Luis will capture the differences between the ontologies.
- 13:55:27 [Payam]
- +q
- 13:55:40 [Luis_Bermudez]
- +q
- 13:55:50 [Payam]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology
- 13:55:58 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Ack Payam
- 13:57:08 [vhuang]
- Payam, we need to define the terminalogy first then see how it aligns with other ontology.
- 13:57:50 [Luis_Bermudez]
- +q
- 13:58:26 [vhuang]
- Laurent, we need examples.
- 13:58:51 [michael]
- +q
- 13:59:22 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack Luis_Bermudez
- 13:59:27 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ack michael
- 14:02:08 [vhuang]
- Michael, all these parts are linked together, they belong to the same ontology.
- 14:02:15 [kerry]
- this makes a lot of sense to me -- as long as it all stays in the same file at the end
- 14:02:46 [kerry]
- i think laurent is also suggesting examples in separate files -- i think we can do this too
- 14:03:46 [kerry]
- +q
- 14:04:42 [Zakim]
- -kerry
- 14:06:46 [kerry]
- soory folks -- it can wait
- 14:07:20 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Topic: Issue 5-7
- 14:07:39 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ISSUE-5 Separation of examples - Delivery of the SSN XG ontology and of examples in separate files
- 14:07:39 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/5
- 14:09:36 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ISSUE-6 Pub. on ext. web sites - Versions of the SSN ontology published on external web sites
- 14:09:36 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/6
- 14:09:38 [Payam]
- +q
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- -Payam
- 14:10:43 [kerry]
- -kerry
- 14:11:47 [vhuang]
- Payam will present group activity next at ICT summit. Please submit any issues to him.
- 14:14:06 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Action: Laurent to define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered
- 14:14:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-30 - Define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-06-15].
- 14:14:38 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- ISSUE-7 Doc format/generation - Documentation format - Generation of documentation derived from the OWL file
- 14:14:38 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/7
- 14:15:37 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- Topic: AOB
- 14:16:01 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- OGC TC Meeting in Silver Spring Luis will be there
- 14:17:32 [Zakim]
- -michael
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- -Arthur
- 14:17:50 [Zakim]
- - +1.937.775.aacc
- 14:18:45 [Luis_Bermudez]
- bye
- 14:18:48 [Zakim]
- - +1.202.408.aadd
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- -vhuang
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- -krp
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- vhuang has left #ssn
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- -laurent_lefort_cs
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- INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Payam, laurent_lefort_cs, michael, vhuang, Arthur, kerry, krp, +1.937.775.aacc, +1.202.408.aadd
- 14:24:00 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 14:24:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
- 14:25:11 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- s/concetps/concepts/
- 14:25:17 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 14:25:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
- 14:25:52 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- s/suing/using/
- 14:26:02 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 14:26:02 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
- 14:27:17 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- s/soory/sorry/
- 14:29:14 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- s/usre/sure/
- 14:32:03 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- rrsagent, please generate minutes
- 14:32:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
- 15:33:31 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- zakim, bye
- 15:33:31 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #ssn
- 15:33:38 [laurent_lefort_cs]
- rrsagent, bye
- 15:33:38 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-actions.rdf :
- 15:33:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kerry to add usage of see also in wiki page documenting annotations [1]
- 15:33:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc#T13-36-10
- 15:33:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Laurent to define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered [2]
- 15:33:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc#T14-14-06