IRC log of svg on 2010-06-07

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG

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Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 07 June 2010

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+[IPcaller]

14:30:58 [ed]

Zakim, [IP is me

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+ed; got it

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+ChrisL

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+Shepazu

14:34:08 [ed]

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/struct.html#InterfaceSVGElementInstanceList

14:46:58 [ChrisL]

zakim, who is here?

14:46:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ed, ChrisL, Shepazu

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On IRC I see ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed, f1lt3r, shepazu, karl, anthony, ed_work, trackbot

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+[Microsoft]

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15:09:58 [ed]

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/masking.html#OverflowProperty

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scribenick: pdengler

15:13:48 [pdengler]

Though we agreed to close this conf call early, a few topics came up that required a scribe

15:13:59 [ed]

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html#OverflowProperty

15:14:20 [ChrisL]

zakim, who is noisy?

15:14:31 [Zakim]

ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (94%), ed (4%)

15:14:39 [ChrisL]

zakim, mute microsoft

15:14:39 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] should now be muted

15:14:39 [pdengler]

First, I am concerned about the quality of the test cases. I will return on Thursday's conf call such that we can identify whether or not Microsoft can add resources to review the details. The concern is that 'draft' tests have been moved into accepted without propper review

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pdengler: Topic: HTML5 and SVG. Should overflow property default to overflow:visible

15:15:53 [ed]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/masking.html.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&f=h

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ACTION-2203

15:16:12 [ChrisL]

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2203

15:16:34 [pdengler]

shepazu : We think that this solves the questino

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ACTION-2203

15:16:37 [ChrisL]

Add to the 1.1 Full errata that the initial value for the root overflow property is scroll rather than hidden

15:16:42 [Zakim]

-[Microsoft]

15:16:46 [pdengler]

wait

15:16:46 [ChrisL]

zakim, unmute patrick

15:16:46 [Zakim]

sorry, ChrisL, I do not know which phone connection belongs to patrick

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zakim, unmute microsoft

15:16:52 [Zakim]

sorry, ChrisL, I do not know which phone connection belongs to microsoft

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scribe: ChrisL

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+[Microsoft]

15:17:40 [ChrisL]

doug: hyatt raised a similar issue which is why we changed 1.1. Agreed by the WG at the time, ROC was in on the discussion

15:18:05 [ChrisL]

... action is now closed. solves the question from the svg side but not necessarily from the html side

15:18:12 [ChrisL]

.... solves for inline svg

15:18:29 [ChrisL]

... for iframes, object, embed it needs to be clarified

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jwatt: treated the same

15:18:41 [ChrisL]

ed: yes

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doug: so html5 spec needs to say so

15:18:56 [pdengler]

Not sure why I cannot be heard on the phone

15:19:12 [pdengler]

but we are saying that overflow=visible for inline SVG

15:19:14 [ChrisL]

zakim, who is here?

15:19:14 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ed, ChrisL, Shepazu, [IPcaller], [Microsoft]

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On IRC I see pdengler, jwatt, ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed, f1lt3r, shepazu, karl, anthony, ed_work, trackbot

15:19:22 [ChrisL]

ack microsoft

15:19:48 [ChrisL]

patrick: so for inline overflow is visible

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...and for the others its the default

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ed: if its inside a container then you dont use overflow

15:21:23 [ChrisL]

patrick: overflow visible is the right thing for an html developer

15:21:32 [ChrisL]

doug: html needs to take care of the rest

15:21:54 [ChrisL]

ed: more of a css issue, html does need to change. Its what type of block is generated

15:22:17 [ChrisL]

chris: so what specifically needs to change in css?

15:22:36 [ChrisL]

ed: type of layout box generated by the inline html element needs to be specified

15:22:47 [ChrisL]

... perhaps in svg. tiny specifies it well

15:23:21 [ed]

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/coords.html#IntrinsicSizing

15:23:49 [ChrisL]

ed: this plus css 2.1 is enough to define it

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... need to know how big the element covers when overlow is visible. can't be bigger than its container

15:25:13 [ChrisL]

patrick: if overflow is not visible, people will wonder where the content went

15:25:26 [ChrisL]

doug: where are the natural dimensions defined?

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... if i am dynamically adding it

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ed: well, 100% is the default

15:26:58 [ChrisL]

chris: need to distinguish between the renderde size and the range of coordinate space being used

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... depends on whether viewBox is set or not

15:28:59 [ChrisL]

doug: as well as width&height and the viewbox we need the intrisicc width and height

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jwat: but those terms are used already

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chris: boundingBox?

15:29:41 [ChrisL]

ed: yes the bounding box can be bigger than the viewBox

15:30:09 [ChrisL]

chris: needs 4 coordinates not two

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doug: an attr with 4 values is a pain

15:31:19 [ChrisL]

... inkscape confuses width and height with te overall bounding box

15:32:26 [ChrisL]

ISSUE: Differentiate bounding box from viewbox and width and height

15:32:26 [trackbot]

Created ISSUE-2329 - Differentiate bounding box from viewbox and width and height ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2329/edit .

15:32:57 [ChrisL]

patrick: for svg in html5 overflow visible, correct?

15:33:00 [ChrisL]

(all) no

15:33:30 [ChrisL]

doug: discussed with css wg, defsault size for all replaced content is 150x300

15:33:32 [ChrisL]

ewww

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s/no//

15:33:53 [ChrisL]

ed: css 2.1 covers this now

15:34:50 [ChrisL]

action: patrick to make some html5 and svg combined tests that exercise overflow

15:34:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2795 - Make some html5 and svg combined tests that exercise overflow [on Patrick Dengler - due 2010-06-14].

15:35:10 [ChrisL]

doug: should discuss in fx tf once we have the tests

15:35:13 [ed]

ACTION: ed to add ACTION-2203 to the changes appendix for SVG 1.1F2

15:35:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2796 - Add ACTION-2203 to the changes appendix for SVG 1.1F2 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-06-14].

15:35:49 [ChrisL]

patrick: whats the default in firefox nightlies?

15:35:54 [ChrisL]

jwatt: hidden

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-minutes.html ChrisL

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-ChrisL

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-[Microsoft]

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-ed

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-Shepazu

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-[IPcaller]

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GA_SVGWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were [IPcaller], ed, ChrisL, Shepazu, [Microsoft]

15:38:37 [jwatt]

Zakim, IPcaller is me

15:38:37 [Zakim]

sorry, jwatt, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'

15:38:46 [jwatt]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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sorry, jwatt, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

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