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11:37:45 <tlr> zakim, code?
11:37:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 75464 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr
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11:53:36 <Zakim> + +352.6.2.1.5.0.aaaa
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12:01:54 <Ashok> What is the conference code?
12:02:15 <renato> 75464
12:02:48 <Zakim> + +035850487aabb
12:02:57 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
12:04:00 <Zakim> +??P6
12:07:47 <Zakim> +??P10
12:10:11 <renato> MAWG feedback
12:10:13 <renato> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0010.html
12:11:11 <renato> RI comments
12:11:18 <renato> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0011.html
12:12:32 <renato> Other ideas?
12:13:37 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
12:13:37 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
12:13:39 <Zakim> +Thomas
12:13:48 <Zakim> - +352.6.2.1.5.0.aaaa
12:13:54 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
12:13:54 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
12:14:23 <renato> Policy types?
12:15:56 <renato> DavidC: Sticky policies from PrimeLife - list of policy types
12:16:09 <renato> Hannes: keep it simple
12:17:29 <renato> DC: policy language specified?
12:17:46 <tlr> q+
12:18:11 <renato> Hannes: see CC as example, loose binding to content
12:19:09 <tlr> ack thomas
12:21:39 <tlr> tlr: recommend simplifying
12:21:45 <tlr> ... identifier (URI)
12:21:47 <tlr> ... type (URI)
12:21:50 <tlr> ... that's all
12:22:04 <tlr> ... propose dropping value, organization
12:22:44 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
12:22:44 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
12:22:45 <Zakim> +Thomas
12:22:46 <Zakim> -Thomas
12:24:23 <renato> Thomas: Identifier - maybe deref or just the "identifier"
12:24:49 <renato> DavidC: need to get the policy? 
12:25:33 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ccREL/
12:29:56 <tlr> the point is: identifier is an *identifier*
12:32:43 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0010.html
12:32:51 <renato> "This attribute holds the description of the license"
12:34:07 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/#
12:34:07 <renato> policy.type: see RDFa
12:34:21 <tlr> license
12:34:22 <tlr> license refers to a resource that defines the associated license.
12:36:28 <renato> http://www.w3.org/TR/mediaont-10/#property-definition
12:39:08 <renato> ma:copyright = The copyright statement. Identification of the copyrights holder (Digital Right Management is out of scope for MAWG, see the [PLING] for more information on this topic
12:39:21 <renato> ma:policy = Description of the policy of the media resource or reference. see the [PLING] for more information on this topic
12:40:05 <tlr> I'm actually becoming convinced of having a policy field with a human-readable attribute, and http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#license as the canonical type for a copyright license.
12:40:57 <renato> So if you look at:
12:40:58 <renato> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0011.html
12:41:07 <renato> and remove "issuer"
12:41:11 <renato> are were there?
12:41:38 <tlr> wfm
12:41:57 <renato> ma:createDate
12:42:37 <tlr> also, make type URI-valued
12:43:02 <renato> yes
12:45:17 <renato> use the xhtml license URI
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12:46:29 <renato> action: RI to writeup updated proposal for MAWG and sent to list
12:46:31 <spreibus> apologies for the late arrival -- I only got the message about the time shift to 12h UTC now.
12:47:03 <renato> OK - thanks for joining!
12:47:48 <renato> Agenda: US Privacy Bill
12:47:50 <renato> http://www.boucher.house.gov/images/stories/Privacy_Draft_5-10.pdf
12:48:21 <spreibus> Thanks.
12:49:15 <tlr> q+
12:49:46 <tlr> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/frnotices/2010/FR_PrivacyNOI_04232010.pdf
12:53:45 <renato> Update on Current Items
12:54:07 <renato> PLING note....still going....contributions welcome
12:54:20 <renato> Geolocation Privacy
12:54:26 <renato> Workshop planned
12:54:42 <spreibus> re PLING note on Best Practices:
12:54:47 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/
12:56:34 <spreibus> how much of the "User Consent" is happening in the user agent and how much through the site? I would argue the browser is the better place, mainly because (a) it allows consistent presentation, similar to the current information bar in browsers, e.g. Firefox for GeoLocation; (b) because it allows recording of consent, similar to stored passwords
12:58:08 <tlr> spreibus, a possible answer is that access control isn't privacy
12:58:17 <tlr> we know how to do access control in the browser.
12:58:55 <spreibus> true, access control is not privacy.
12:59:10 <spreibus> I see the best practices as reaching beyond access.
12:59:26 <spreibus> eventually emphasising "informed consent"
12:59:55 <Zakim> -??P10
12:59:56 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
12:59:57 <Zakim> -??P6
12:59:58 <Zakim> - +035850487aabb
12:59:59 <Zakim> -Thomas
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13:00:00 <Zakim> Attendees were +352.6.2.1.5.0.aaaa, +035850487aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, Thomas
13:00:59 <renato> Thomas, can u make the minutes and make public?
13:02:26 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-pling-minutes.html tlr
13:02:31 <tlr> rrsagent, make record public
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