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16:25:38 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
16:25:38 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
16:25:46 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:25:59 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
16:26:00 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:26:07 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
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16:27:53 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010May/0000.html
16:28:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:28:43 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has now started
16:28:50 <Zakim> + +1.650.265.aaaa
16:30:00 <Zakim> +David
16:30:12 <Zakim> + +972.5.225.5aabb
16:30:34 <David> zakim, +1. is Aharon
16:30:34 <Zakim> +Aharon; got it
16:30:56 <David> zakim, +972 is Matial
16:30:56 <Zakim> +Matial; got it
16:30:57 <Zakim> +aphillip
16:33:09 <aphillip> Next week regrets: David
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16:34:32 <aphillip> Scribe:  Addison Phillips
16:34:37 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
16:34:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:35:06 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
16:36:08 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:36:23 <aphillip> all: review HTML5 (rolling action item to be reviewed weekly) 
16:36:32 <aphillip> Dan: update draft to support option C for specifying preferences in ws-i18n 
16:36:41 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: ping Dan about ws-i18n
16:36:55 <aphillip> addison: prepare blurb on -u- extension for i18n homepage 
16:37:08 <aphillip> Addison, write an email to HTML-WG asking for more info on date-local and in particular usage scenarios 
16:37:28 <aphillip> addison: ping HTML-WG chairs about next steps on Issue-88 
16:38:08 <aphillip> DONE, proceeded to poll for consensus
16:38:31 <aphillip> addison: write to script coordination list and ask TC39 to consider encoding declaration 
16:38:32 <aphillip> DONE
16:38:41 <aphillip> Norbert: send notice of extension to DAWG, us,mark, and the two CLDR folks on the calendaring call 
16:38:46 <aphillip> DONE, but...
16:39:31 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:39:51 <aphillip> felix sent an info share in absentia
16:39:57 <David> I have a meeting conflict. For "infoshare", my presentation at http://bis.kie.ae.poznan.pl/13th_bis/keynotes.php went well , see the (large file!) slides at http://www.w3c.de/Events/2010/sasaki-bis2010.pdf , and gathered some interest for the multilingual web project http://www.multilingualweb.eu/ .
16:40:07 <aphillip> from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010May/0003.html
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16:40:41 <aphillip> addison: became co-chair of the IRI WG at IETF (with Marc Blanchet)
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16:41:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:41:20 <fantasai> aphillip, I'm on the csswg call right now
16:41:38 <Zakim> +Norbert
16:42:08 <fantasai> aphillip, I read the Issue-88 summary about a week or so ago, agree with Leif's changes except for the specific wording
16:42:19 <aphillip> Topic: Non-Gregorian Calendars, an update
16:43:26 <aphillip> addison+norbert: discussed inability to get a con call going
16:43:38 <aphillip> ... and planned to write a wiki page to use for discussion purposes
16:43:47 <aphillip> ... seeking volunteers to help
16:44:24 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Apr/0051.html
16:47:56 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: point DAP WG to our new Timezone document
16:48:03 <aphillip> Topic: JavaScript I18N proposal
16:51:03 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Apr/0010.html
16:53:21 <aphillip> Topic: HTML Issue-88
16:53:49 <aphillip> addison: sent confirmation that we agree with hixie's proposed solution
16:54:10 <aphillip> ... but LHS, CEW don't agree
16:54:17 <aphillip> so consensus may not be achieved
16:58:11 <aphillip> ... also julian r. points out that http defines it,so can't make non-conforming
16:58:31 <aphillip> norbert: can we just say "allowed by user-agents should ignore"
16:58:39 <aphillip> addison: +1
16:58:56 <aphillip> s/by user-agents/but user-agents/
16:59:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:59:11 <David> david: +1
17:01:03 <aphillip> addison: a switch from "may" to "should ignore"
17:01:10 <aphillip> norbert: can we just prohibit it?
17:01:26 <aphillip> .... servers can look at it (intended use), but doesn't hurt
17:01:54 <aphillip> addison: do we want to say "must ignore"?
17:03:07 <aphillip> chair: call for consensus on "allowed but must ignore"
17:03:48 <Norbert> +1
17:03:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:03:53 <David> +1
17:04:08 <Aharon> not really
17:05:02 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to HMTL-WG expressing our WG's position on Issue-88 which is: "allowed but must ignore"
17:05:24 <aphillip> Topic: Bidi document progress (please)
17:06:49 <aphillip> Aharon: (update)
17:07:19 <aphillip> ... have been busy/distracted
17:07:37 <aphillip> ... now returning to work on this actively
17:07:52 <aphillip> Aharon: have responded to some raised issues
17:07:59 <aphillip> ... but some things need resolution
17:08:26 <aphillip> ... open to having a F2F meeting
17:08:48 <aphillip> ... if anyone interested in working on it that way
17:08:59 <Zakim> +Matial.a
17:09:05 <Zakim> -Matial
17:09:07 <aphillip> Aharon: working on getting hard data on text that exists
17:09:18 <aphillip> ... so we can test algorithms on it
17:09:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:10:53 <najib-ma> I  have some proposition to the document.
17:10:58 <aphillip> next steps: go through responses and answer them
17:11:04 <aphillip> ... start proposing solutions to open issues
17:11:35 <aphillip> Aharon: built partial list as email, but nothing formal yet
17:12:21 <najib-ma> How could I help?
17:12:29 <aphillip> ACTION: Aharon: update issues list and send to public-bidi
17:12:57 <aphillip> Aharon: najib, talk to me via email
17:13:24 <najib-ma> OK
17:13:38 <aphillip> Aharon: one specific issue raised
17:14:19 <aphillip> ... fantasai's email about bullets on list items
17:14:32 <aphillip> ... should be controlled by parent or by list item
17:14:43 <aphillip> ... CSS rejected because of reason I didn't fully understand
17:15:05 <aphillip> Aharon: our progress on list has been that in arabic sometimes alternating sides is preferred
17:15:17 <aphillip> ... but not always
17:15:19 <aphillip> ... in Hebrew always on one side
17:15:24 <aphillip> ... so should be controllable
17:15:46 <aphillip> ... so if CSS is open to specifying how to control, would be good
17:15:50 <Zakim> +??P3
17:16:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:17:14 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010May/0002.html
17:18:39 <aphillip> fantasai: might consider adding a control for specific behavior in CSS3, CSS2/2.1 already implemented and interoperable
17:19:01 <aphillip> ... if i18n thinks a note would be useful, could be added as non-normative note
17:19:13 <aphillip> ... don't want to change normative behavior of bullet position
17:19:42 <aphillip> fantasai: side is consistent on bullets
17:19:49 <najib-ma> "in arabic sometimes alternating sides is preferred" :-/
17:21:44 <aphillip> norbert: some colleagues brought up issue...
17:21:56 <aphillip> ... some cases where want all on same side
17:22:24 <aphillip> aharon: workaround is to surround bullets with span, but inconvenient (authors won't think of it)
17:22:52 <aphillip> <li><span dir="rtl">blah</span></li>
17:23:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:23:37 <Zakim> -Matial.a
17:27:18 <Zakim> +Matial
17:27:34 <aphillip> ACTION: Aharon: develop plans for a Mtn. View, CA for a bidi F2F
17:27:52 <najib-ma> +1 to f2f
17:28:24 <najib-ma> s/f2f/bidi f2F/
17:28:37 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:28:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:29:16 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:30:46 <najib-ma> f2f location?
17:34:24 <Aharon> f2f location probably Mountainview, California
17:35:58 <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ContentLanguages
17:36:09 <najib-ma> Morocco office offers to host a f2f.
17:38:55 <aphillip> (discussion of Issue-88)
17:39:02 <aphillip> tabled previous actions for next week
17:39:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:39:34 <Zakim> -Matial
17:39:35 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:39:35 <Zakim> -aphillip
17:39:39 <Zakim> -fantasai
17:39:41 <Zakim> -David
17:39:46 <Zakim> -Aharon
17:39:47 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has ended
17:39:49 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.265.aaaa, David, +972.5.225.5aabb, Aharon, Matial, aphillip, Norbert, fantasai
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