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15:44:19 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
15:44:20 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 46 minutes
15:44:27 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:44:39 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core WG Teleconference
15:44:45 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:44:48 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:44:52 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:45:12 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Apr/0009.html
15:45:21 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:45:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
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16:26:58 <najib-ma> Hi
16:28:23 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has now started
16:28:30 <Zakim> +aphillip
16:28:37 <David> Hello Najib
16:29:30 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aaaa
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16:30:01 <David> zakim, +44 is David
16:30:02 <Zakim> +David; got it
16:31:03 <Zakim> +??P4
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16:36:36 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
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16:36:52 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:37:07 <aphillip> addison: invite Mark to participate in the calendaring call with an explanatory email 
16:37:10 <aphillip> DONE
16:37:18 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:37:18 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:37:20 <Zakim> +Richard
16:37:24 <aphillip> addison: write email to public-html endorsing richard's response (and IanH's proposal deprecating Content-Language) as the WG position 
16:37:26 <aphillip> DONE
16:37:48 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:38:29 <aphillip> india office opening next week: richard to be speaking there next week
16:38:42 <aphillip> richard: regrets next week
16:39:12 <fsasaki> Felix: next Monday presenting at "BIS" conference about multilingual web (mostly ITS related stuff, and a bit about the EU project) http://bis.kie.ae.poznan.pl/13th_bis/keynotes.php#sasaki
16:40:06 <aphillip> norbert: first indications of a unicode conference (call for participation)
16:40:52 <aphillip> addison: invited to be co-chair of IRI WG
16:41:07 <fsasaki> congrats! ;)
16:42:04 <aphillip> zakim, who is noisy?
16:42:15 <Zakim> aphillip, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Felix (46%), aphillip (25%), Norbert (4%)
16:42:37 <aphillip> Topic: When is the calendaring call?
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16:43:41 <aphillip> need to re-doodle?
16:43:53 <aphillip> richard: can update if you put the link in
16:44:06 <Norbert> http://doodle.com/vinifwmdfitwv66a
16:44:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:45:04 <aphillip> ACTION: Norbert: send notice of extension to DAWG, us,mark, and the two CLDR folks on the calendaring call
16:45:26 <aphillip> Topic: JavaScript Internationalization discussion
16:47:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:47:12 <aphillip> addison: summarizes what has happened so far
16:47:42 <aphillip> norbert: would be interested, but maybe not "foolish" enough to volunteer time ;-)
16:47:58 <aphillip> david: +1
16:48:49 <aphillip> addison: think they need all the browser vendors and especially MS
16:55:10 <aphillip> Topic: Bidi Document Progress
16:55:17 <aphillip> richard: haven't heard back from aharon yet
16:55:42 <aphillip> Topic: HTML5 Date Handling
16:56:25 <aphillip> david: basic issue is that implications in date fields haven't been addressed
16:56:37 <aphillip> ... "this is similar to but not same as 8601"
16:56:47 <aphillip> ... dateLocal in input field has bothered me
16:56:56 <aphillip> ... not comparable
16:57:04 <aphillip> ... lose meaning out of context
16:57:20 <aphillip> ... don't carry utc/offset info
16:57:29 <aphillip> ... only deal with gregorian calendar
16:57:36 <aphillip> ... no DST handling
16:57:58 <aphillip> ... so even if local time (say 1:30 am) may have two of same during dst transition
16:58:03 <aphillip> ... etc.
16:58:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:58:37 <aphillip> david: so that's the problem; can we address that more formally with them?
16:59:26 <David> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/input.datetime-local.html
16:59:29 <aphillip> andrew: explicitly ignored time zone issues
17:00:40 <aphillip> addison: what happens when you submit? you get a string?
17:00:47 <aphillip> norbert: probably... server just store and return
17:01:34 <aphillip> david: there was a suggestion of things like "time your plane lands"
17:03:23 <aphillip> andrew: what are the usage scenarios: those are probably interesting?
17:03:59 <aphillip> addison: write an email to HTML-WG asking for more info on date-local including a pointer to usage scenarios
17:04:45 <aphillip> including -> in particular
17:04:54 <aphillip> a pointer -> information about
17:05:38 <r12a> ACTION: Addison, write an email to HTML-WG asking for more info on date-local and in particular usage scenarios
17:05:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:06:45 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: ping HTML-WG chairs about next steps on Issue-88
17:08:14 <aphillip> Note well: we have a standing action item to read HTML5 and comment on it as needed
17:08:35 <aphillip> richard: sent out a question about charset attribute
17:08:55 <aphillip> ... can have on <a> <link> and <script>
17:09:04 <aphillip> ... removing from <a> and <link>
17:09:09 <aphillip> ... only leaving on <script>
17:09:27 <aphillip> ... but only leaving there since no other way to indicate encoding of a script file
17:09:33 <aphillip> ... although HTTP headers might help
17:09:49 <aphillip> norbert: but not in text itself
17:10:23 <aphillip> richard: stylesheets no longer need it because of HTTP header
17:10:29 <aphillip> ... they should also mention @charset
17:10:42 <aphillip> ... and scripts could use same means (HTTP header)
17:11:25 <aphillip> ... martin mentioned that <a> was supposed to be temporary
17:11:31 <aphillip> ... and would be good if they left that one off
17:11:51 <aphillip> ... maybe prefer if they removed altoghether?
17:14:58 <aphillip> norbert: should keep on script tag; may not use HTTP and then there is no other way to identify the encoding
17:16:53 <aphillip> norbert: really do not want <a> tag to include charset; it doesn't make sense; you may not own the content
17:17:12 <aphillip> richard: have we asked JS guys to create encoding declaration
17:19:40 <aphillip> @charset after first line should be ignored?
17:25:19 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to script coordination list and ask TC39 to consider encoding declaration
17:25:54 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to CSS to ask about allowing @charset as (ignorable??) construct mid-file
17:26:56 <aphillip> "never mind"
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17:27:24 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:27:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:27:53 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:27:54 <Zakim> -aphillip
17:27:54 <Zakim> -andrewc
17:27:57 <Zakim> -Felix
17:28:00 <Zakim> -Richard
17:28:01 <Zakim> -David
17:28:01 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has ended
17:28:03 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, +44.141.888.aaaa, David, Felix, Norbert, Richard, [IPcaller], andrewc
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17:30:08 <r12a> norbert i can't seem to log in to Doodle
17:30:35 <r12a> i'll keep trying and send you email if i'm successful
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17:38:01 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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17:38:06 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
17:38:06 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-actions.rdf :
17:38:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Norbert: send notice of extension to DAWG, us,mark, and the two CLDR folks on the calendaring call [1]
17:38:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-irc#T16-45-04
17:38:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison, write an email to HTML-WG asking for more info on date-local and in particular usage scenarios [2]
17:38:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-irc#T17-05-38
17:38:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: ping HTML-WG chairs about next steps on Issue-88 [3]
17:38:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-irc#T17-06-45
17:38:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to script coordination list and ask TC39 to consider encoding declaration [4]
17:38:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-irc#T17-25-19
17:38:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to CSS to ask about allowing @charset as (ignorable??) construct mid-file [5]
17:38:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-core-irc#T17-25-54