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14:31:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()10:30AM scheduled to start now
14:31:20 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
14:31:20 <trackbot> Date: 26 April 2010
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14:31:41 <Zakim> +??P28
14:31:50 <ed> Zakim, ?? is me
14:31:50 <Zakim> +ed; got it
14:33:19 <Zakim> +??P29
14:33:28 <anthony> Zakim, ??P29 is me
14:33:28 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
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14:35:34 <Zakim> +ChrisL
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14:36:32 <ChrisL> zakim, ??P21 is JWatt-the-brainwashed
14:36:32 <Zakim> +JWatt-the-brainwashed; got it
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14:37:05 <ChrisL> zakim,  JWatt-the-brainwashed is JWatt
14:37:06 <Zakim> +JWatt; got it
14:37:46 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0038.html
14:37:52 <jwatt> Zakim, who's on the call?
14:37:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see ed, anthony, ChrisL, JWatt
14:38:17 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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14:39:21 <jwatt> scribe: Jonathan Watt
14:39:23 <jwatt> scribenick: jwatt
14:39:29 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0038.html
14:39:42 <jwatt> topic: Approving tests for SVG 1.1 2nd Edition
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14:39:54 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_1.1F2
14:41:50 <jwatt> ED: the difference between "reviewed" and "accepted" is that I thought we should agree on the reviewed ones here
14:41:57 <ChrisL> I got to styling-css-09-f.svg  and then hit a problem
14:42:02 <jwatt> ...agree to accept them
14:43:02 <jwatt> ACTION: ED to mark reviewed tests as accepted
14:43:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2770 - Mark reviewed tests as accepted [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
14:43:19 <jwatt> CL: I've not been checking tests in Batik
14:43:41 <jwatt> ED: please help with reviewing the remaining tests
14:43:46 <jwatt> ...just grab some
14:43:49 <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0040.html
14:44:32 <jwatt> CL: the pass criteria is that you don't see red
14:44:41 <jwatt> ...but in Firefox you get a flash of red
14:44:59 <jwatt> ...while the content is waiting for restyling
14:45:27 <jwatt> ...so if it's okay with everyone I'll add the word "go" to the page to make it clear when it's ready
14:45:40 <jwatt> (general agreement)
14:45:46 <ChrisL> styling-css-08-f.svg 
14:45:59 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-css-08-f.svg
14:47:03 <ChrisL> struct-svg-01-f.svg 
14:47:23 <ChrisL> styling-pres-02-f.svg 
14:48:02 <ChrisL> uses getPresentationAttribute. Can't see a way around it though
14:48:17 <jwatt> CL: I think he has a point regarding styling-pres-02-f.svg , but there's no other obvious way to do that test
14:48:30 <jwatt> ...but I agree we should for now drop it, or mark it not approved
14:49:06 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-02-f.svg
14:49:26 <jwatt> ED: I can have a look at an alternative way to test it if you like
14:49:40 <jwatt> CL: that would be good, I think it's a useful test
14:50:43 <jwatt> ACTION: Eric to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use getPresentationAttribute
14:50:43 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Eric
14:50:55 <jwatt> ACTION: ED to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use getPresentationAttribute
14:50:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2771 - Rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use getPresentationAttribute [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
14:51:17 <jwatt> ED: it should be possible to get the string values in some way
14:51:30 <ChrisL> styling-pres-01-t.svg 
14:52:11 <jwatt> CL: I'm not sure this is a very good test
14:52:15 <jwatt> ...I'd suggest removing it
14:52:19 <jwatt> ED: fine with me
14:53:02 <jwatt> ACTION: CL to remove styling-pres-01-t.svg
14:53:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2772 - Remove styling-pres-01-t.svg [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-05-03].
14:53:35 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-01-t.svg
14:54:45 <jwatt> CL: the issue is that 1.1 required the UA to halt, but we weren't really considering script setting invalid value and things at that time
14:54:57 <jwatt> ...and we've relaxed things since then
14:55:09 <jwatt> ...and I don't think it guides implementers in the right direction any more
14:55:35 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-01-t.svg
14:57:10 <jwatt> PD: yeah, okay, let's remove it
14:58:19 <ed> "An !important declaration within a presentation attribute definition is an error."
14:58:27 <ed> from section 6.4
14:58:33 <ed> in svg 1.1
14:59:19 <ChrisL> file:///D:/WWW/dev/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/styling.html#UsingPresentationAttributes
14:59:29 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/styling.html#UsingPresentationAttributes
15:00:07 <jwatt> ED: is this something that we could change in 2nd Ed?
15:00:34 <jwatt> ...what it does is make the attribute invalid
15:01:03 <jwatt> CL: so that means we would keep the test but change the pass criteria?
15:01:05 <jwatt> ED: yes
15:01:43 <jwatt> ACTION: CL to edit the spec regarding styling-pres-01-t.svg
15:01:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2773 - Edit the spec regarding styling-pres-01-t.svg [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-05-03].
15:03:15 <jwatt> topic: Finishing 1.1 actions
15:03:22 <jwatt> ED: I sent out an email
15:03:47 <jwatt> ...please address your outstanding issues, or by the end of the week any outstanding actions will be moved to the next edition
15:04:04 <jwatt> ...anything to do with spec changes that is
15:04:24 <jwatt> ...actions relating to publishing won't be changed of course
15:05:06 <jwatt> ...heycam replied to say the javadoc stuff can be done after publishing
15:05:13 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2773
15:05:13 <trackbot> ACTION-2773 Edit the spec regarding styling-pres-01-t.svg closed
15:05:41 <jwatt> topic: ISSUE-2321 filter margins
15:06:14 <jwatt> ED: do we all agree to remove those margin attributes?
15:06:29 <jwatt> ...there's push from mozilla, webkit and others
15:06:45 <jwatt> ...Opera hasn't implemented it either
15:06:59 <jwatt> ...so I don't mind
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15:07:37 <jwatt> ...trying to come up with something different that works, is implementable and doesn't break old content could be tricky
15:08:02 <jwatt> ACTION: ED to remove the filter margin attributes
15:08:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2774 - Remove the filter margin attributes [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
15:08:37 <ChrisL> zakim, who is snoring?
15:08:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ChrisL.
15:08:53 <jwatt> ACTION: ED to investigate alternative ways of handling subregions for filters
15:08:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2775 - Investigate alternative ways of handling subregions for filters [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
15:09:37 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
15:09:39 <jwatt> topic: path implementation details
15:09:53 <jwatt> ED: we got a suggestion to add a couple of links
15:09:59 <jwatt> ...I think it would make it clearer
15:10:05 <jwatt> CL: I agree
15:10:41 <jwatt> ACTION: ED to add links relating to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
15:10:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2776 - Add links relating to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
15:11:28 <jwatt> topic: public-fx telcon times
15:11:37 <jwatt> ED: please send in your preferred times
15:13:51 <ed> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=3&month=5&year=2010&p1=224&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1
15:15:10 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2772
15:15:10 <trackbot> ACTION-2772 Remove styling-pres-01-t.svg closed
15:16:35 <Zakim> -ChrisL
15:16:36 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:16:38 <Zakim> -ed
15:16:40 <Zakim> -JWatt
15:16:53 <ChrisL> adjourned to work on actions
15:17:11 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
15:17:11 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ed, anthony, ChrisL, JWatt, [Microsoft]
15:17:18 <ChrisL> regrets: shepazu
15:17:27 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
15:17:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
15:17:29 <jwatt> trackbot, end telcon
15:17:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:17:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ed, anthony, ChrisL, JWatt, [Microsoft]
15:17:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:17:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html trackbot
15:17:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-actions.rdf :
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ED to mark reviewed tests as accepted [1]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T14-43-02
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use getPresentationAttribute [2]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T14-50-43
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ED to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use getPresentationAttribute [3]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T14-50-55
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CL to remove styling-pres-01-t.svg [4]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T14-53-02
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CL to edit the spec regarding styling-pres-01-t.svg [5]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T15-01-43
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ED to remove the filter margin attributes [6]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T15-08-02
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ED to investigate alternative ways of handling subregions for filters [7]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T15-08-53
15:17:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ED to add links relating to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html [8]
15:17:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc#T15-10-41