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12:03:29 <sandro> testing
12:03:39 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
12:03:39 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(LD Demo)8:00AM
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12:07:25 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
12:07:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.441.aaaa, Sandro, +1.703.880.aabb, +1.518.276.aacc, mhausenblas
12:07:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see dingl, Zakim, RRSAgent, Cory-c, george, mhausenblas, ww, hughb, tmarkus, edsu, sandro, trackbot
12:07:33 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is George
12:07:33 <Zakim> +George; got it
12:07:49 <sandro> zakim, aabb is Cory
12:07:49 <Zakim> +Cory; got it
12:07:56 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Li_Ding
12:07:56 <Zakim> +Li_Ding; got it
12:08:04 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
12:08:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, Sandro, Cory, Li_Ding, mhausenblas
12:08:05 <mhausenblas> Topic: OData and Linked Data
12:08:06 <mhausenblas> http://webofdata.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/oh-it-is-data-on-the-web/
12:09:26 <mhausenblas> http://www.odata.org/blog/2010/4/22/queryable-odata-metadata
12:09:56 <sandro> mhausenblas: odate = atompub, + some data structure stuff, no links, no schema discovery
12:10:13 <sandro> mhausenblas: very recently, Alex James posted about how to do some kinds of schema / link discovery
12:10:34 <sandro> mhausenblas:  So maybe they are now thinking in that direction; we'll see where the community goes
12:10:57 <sandro> mhausenblas: Maybe try to convert linked data into odata, not the other way around.
12:11:13 <sandro> mhausenblas: odata has of course some impact in industry.
12:11:31 <sandro> mhausenblas: embrace, and look for things to share for mutual benefit.
12:12:08 <mhausenblas> http://webofdata.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/oh-it-is-data-on-the-web/#comment-459
12:13:32 <sandro> sandro: So, LD payload in OData as distribution mechanism?
12:13:58 <sandro> mhausenblas: not exactly.  is it a competition?
12:14:21 <sandro> mhausenblas: Just make sure http uris, etc, core things there, can go from one to the other.
12:15:24 <sandro> sandro: So you're saying: extend odata as much as possible so that it's just another RDF syntax?
12:15:28 <sandro> mhausenblas: Yes.
12:15:40 <sandro> mhausenblas: Being atom, it can do that.
12:15:51 <sandro> mhausenblas: But that's not how it's used.
12:16:29 <sandro> Cory: So it's just data?   It's not linked?   How is it not just XML?
12:17:15 <sandro> mhausenblas: If you talk about a person in two places, they are not linked together.
12:17:35 <sandro> george: I wish Ed were here.    He had a deep look at odata.
12:18:06 <sandro> mhausenblas: Yeah, you can type the links in atom, but people don't.
12:18:20 <mhausenblas> http://inkdroid.org/journal/2009/11/04/skos-as-atom/
12:18:32 <mhausenblas> edsu's RDF-Atom mapping discussion
12:19:24 <sandro> mhausenblas: Maybe invite Alex to join us.
12:20:49 <sandro> mhausenblas: People are certainly paying some attention to MS in this space, and it would be good for us to be clear about the story, and promote interop if possible.
12:20:52 <sandro> +1
12:22:05 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: mhausenb to invite Alex James to talk about OData in the eGov IG
12:24:51 <sandro> +1
12:26:11 <mhausenblas> ACTION: mhausenb to invite Alex James to talk about OData in the eGov IG
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12:27:17 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/DatasetDynamics
12:28:13 <mhausenblas> http://groups.google.com/group/dataset-dynamics
12:29:08 <Zakim> +[LC]
12:29:31 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
12:29:31 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
12:29:40 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft mintues
12:29:40 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
12:29:44 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:29:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/23-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:29:53 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:31:20 <edsu> mhausenblas: thanks
12:31:28 <mhausenblas> yw, edsu ;)
12:36:56 <edsu> just found  Towards Dataset Dynamics: Change Frequency of Linked Open Data Sources: http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2010/papers/ldow2010_paper12.pdf
12:36:58 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/TWC_Data-gov_Vocabulary_Proposal#Change_of_dataset
12:38:30 <edsu> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/raw/92/today-raw-ping.rss RSS for data.gov from RPI 
12:38:32 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Tracking_Changes_of_data.gov_Catalog_via_RSS
12:38:47 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/raw/92/today-raw-ping.rss
12:40:42 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask re vocab (see also http://vocab.deri.ie/dady)
12:40:53 <edsu> mhausenblas++
12:40:55 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/raw/92/diff-data-92.rss
12:41:49 <dingl> https://twitter.com/datagovwiki
12:43:07 <mhausenblas> ack me
12:43:07 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask re vocab (see also http://vocab.deri.ie/dady)
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12:43:32 <mhausenblas> http://vocab.deri.ie/dady
12:44:50 <dingl> thanks
12:45:40 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/TWC_Data-gov_Vocabulary_Proposal#Overview
12:48:49 <edsu> dingl: not sure if you picked this up from richard's presentation of a few weeks ago, but they have a demo for dcat http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/govcat/
12:56:48 <dingl> yes
12:56:50 <dingl> I saw that
12:57:31 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/vocab/Dataset_34
12:57:43 <sandro> thanks, George, for driving this....
12:58:26 <dingl> we have some similar demos
12:59:17 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Faceted_browsing_on_data.gov_dataset_catalog
12:59:21 <dingl> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Semantic_Search_of_the_Data-gov_Catalog
12:59:39 <dingl> the above two links are related to dcat usage
13:00:24 <dingl> we use a slightly different vocabulary
13:00:36 <dingl> the raw data is at http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/raw/92/data-92.rdf
13:00:48 <dingl> I guess that will be two parts
13:00:56 <dingl> 1. listing of vocabularies
13:01:05 <Zakim> + +1.202.236.aadd
13:01:06 <dingl> 2. demos that use the vocabulary
13:07:05 <dingl> w3c has a lot of credibility
13:11:01 <sandro> geroge: dataset-92 should not be taken as constrainting; we can expand it, if there's a reason.
13:12:14 <sandro> li; Let's make dcat smaller.
13:13:28 <dingl> right,
13:13:55 <dingl> In general, dublin core terms are sufficient enough
13:14:00 <Zakim> -George
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13:15:08 <Zakim> -edsu
13:15:09 <Zakim> -Sandro
13:15:10 <Zakim> -Cory
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13:15:26 <edsu> thanks george :-)
13:15:39 <mhausenblas> thanks all - very productive meeting
13:15:45 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:15:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/23-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:15:53 <mhausenblas> sandro care to send out minutes?
13:16:02 <edsu> dingl: we definitely need to get you involved in dcat ; it must be a bit frustrating having done the same stuff in the past
13:16:09 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
13:16:09 <Zakim> apparently T&S_EGOV(LD Demo)8:00AM has ended, mhausenblas
13:16:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see dingl, Zakim, RRSAgent, george, mhausenblas, ww, hughb, tmarkus, edsu, sandro, trackbot
13:16:14 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye
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13:16:30 <edsu> dingl: i wonder if dcat folks could collaborate in irc on dcat more?
13:16:42 <edsu> dingl: since you have that conflict w/ the telecon?
13:16:45 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, bye
13:16:45 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/23-egov-actions.rdf :
13:16:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mhausenb to invite Alex James to talk about OData in the eGov IG [1]
13:16:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/23-egov-irc#T12-26-11