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12:48:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7769
12:48:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
12:48:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
12:48:14 <trackbot> Date: 13 April 2010
12:48:25 <Holger> Regrets: Oscar, Krzysztof
12:48:35 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
12:48:45 <Holger> agenda+ Decision about Member Submission 
12:49:03 <Holger> agenda+ Accuracy of measurement etc.
12:49:10 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
12:49:22 <Holger> Chair: Holger
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12:53:00 <Zakim> +??P0
12:53:13 <Holger> zakim, ??P0 is me
12:53:13 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
12:53:20 <Zakim> + +1.206.662.aaaa
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12:56:04 <kelsey> zakim, 1.206.662.aaaa is me
12:56:04 <Zakim> sorry, kelsey, I do not recognize a party named '1.206.662.aaaa'
12:56:33 <kelsey> zakim, +1.206.662.aaaa is me
12:56:33 <Zakim> +kelsey; got it
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12:58:57 <kierry> newnick kerry
12:59:14 <dongmei> hi, Kerry, it's me, Dongmei
12:59:24 <Zakim> +??P3
12:59:28 <kierry> hi dongmei -- welcome!
12:59:43 <kierry> Are you on the phone this week -- it works much better!
12:59:55 <dongmei> i am not quite familar with irc
13:00:01 <dongmei> yes,
13:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.716.688.aabb
13:00:31 <dongmei> could you tell me the phone number?
13:00:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:00:53 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:00:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, kelsey, ??P3, +1.716.688.aabb, [IPcaller]
13:01:55 <Zakim> +kerry
13:02:11 <Arthur> Arthur has joined #ssn
13:02:35 <Payam> Payam has joined #SSN
13:02:56 <michael_> michael_ has joined #ssn
13:03:12 <laurent_lefort_cs> laurent_lefort_cs has joined #ssn
13:03:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
13:03:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
13:03:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aaa]
13:04:22 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
13:04:33 <michael_> zakim, [IPcaller.aaa] is me
13:04:33 <Zakim> +michael_; got it
13:04:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
13:04:54 <Arthur> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
13:04:54 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
13:05:04 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:05:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, kelsey, ??P3, +1.716.688.aabb, [IPcaller], kerry, Arthur, michael_, [IPcaller.aa]
13:05:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me
13:05:17 <Payam> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
13:05:18 <Zakim> +laurent_lefort_cs; got it
13:05:20 <Zakim> sorry, Payam, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.a'
13:05:39 <Payam> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:05:39 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
13:05:53 <Zakim> +[MIT528]
13:06:06 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aacc
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13:06:23 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
13:06:33 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Holger (14%)
13:06:35 <kierry> dongmei,      Phone number: +1.617.761.6200 (Boston) or +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice) or +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol)      Conference code: 7769 ("SSNX") 
13:06:52 <kierry> newnick kerry
13:07:03 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
13:07:11 <dongmei> yes, dialed
13:07:15 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Payam (9%), [MIT528] (29%)
13:07:23 <dongmei> there is no voice?
13:07:41 <Holger> agenda?
13:07:43 <kierry> dongmei -- i think your line is creating a lot of noise for everyone
13:07:46 <dongmei> yes, i'm fine
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13:08:00 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aacc
13:08:03 <michael_> can't hear...
13:08:13 <Payam> heavy noise 
13:08:13 <michael_> just me??
13:08:15 <vhuang> I cannot hear.
13:08:16 <kierry> Holger, I can't hear you
13:08:20 <Payam> can't hear either
13:08:24 <vhuang> Too much noise.
13:08:30 <kelsey> +1
13:08:32 <Arthur> heavy noise here too
13:08:41 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aadd
13:08:44 <Holger> zakim, mute [MIT528]
13:08:44 <Zakim> [MIT528] should now be muted
13:09:54 <kierry> i think that is dongmei, currently at MIT, I thnik
13:10:24 <dongmei> i'm at mit now
13:10:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> I'm muted
13:10:52 <dongmei> hi, laurent
13:11:23 <Holger> zakim, unmute [MIT528]
13:11:23 <Zakim> [MIT528] should no longer be muted
13:12:08 <laurent_lefort_cs> Dongmei is a visiting scholar at MIT (Boston) 
13:12:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> Part of a group working on Standards in China
13:12:55 <Holger> zakim, mute [MIT528]
13:12:55 <Zakim> [MIT528] should now be muted
13:13:11 <laurent_lefort_cs> Yep
13:13:27 <Holger> ScribeNick: laurent_lefort_cs
13:14:44 <Holger> topic: Decision about Member Submission
13:15:15 <laurent_lefort_cs> Kerry reminding everyone the content of our charter
13:15:29 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aaee
13:16:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> The decision to make today is whether we make a Member submission or not. 
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13:16:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> Question to everyone: are there member organisation wishing to lead / develop that member submission?
13:17:19 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/organisation/organisations/
13:17:42 <laurent_lefort_cs> The answer from the group is negative.
13:18:28 <laurent_lefort_cs> Next motion: proposal to retract this deliverable from the objectives of the XG.
13:19:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> No comments on the proposal. 
13:19:36 <kierry> +1
13:19:38 <Payam> +1
13:19:48 <michael_> +1
13:19:51 <Holger> +1
13:19:53 <cory> +1
13:19:53 <laurent_lefort_cs> Vote to retract the member submission (+1 = agree to retract)
13:19:56 <laurent_lefort_cs> +1
13:19:59 <vhuang> +1
13:20:16 <dongmei> i go with 0, i need to learn much
13:20:23 <Arthur> +1
13:20:42 <Arthur> +q
13:20:55 <laurent_lefort_cs> Conclusion of the vote: decision by the XG to retract the submission
13:21:54 <kierry> ACTION to  kerry adjust wikki and report to W3C
13:21:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
13:21:55 <kelsey> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
13:23:16 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aadd
13:23:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: kierry to adjust wiki and report to W3C
13:23:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kierry
13:23:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: kerry to adjust wiki and report to W3C
13:23:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Adjust wiki and report to W3C [on Kerry Taylor - due 2010-04-20].
13:24:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> Arthur: what is the result of the group if we don't do the submission?
13:24:55 <Holger> ack Arthur
13:25:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> Holger: the topics will be covered in the semantic markup report but not formalised as a submission
13:26:07 <Holger> topic: Accuracy of measurement etc.
13:26:52 <michael_> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Modelling_of_Accuracy%2C_etc
13:28:18 <laurent_lefort_cs> michael: since last meeting received comments from Luis
13:29:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> Luis: I have work on an example with Carlos Rueda
13:29:37 <lbermude> http://mmisw.org/browser/individuals/1100099319/
13:31:14 <lbermude> http://mmisw.org/browser/manage/?action=load&clear=true&uri=http://mmisw.org/ont%3Fform=owl%26uri=http://mmisw.org/ont/mmi/devontssn
13:32:11 <laurent_lefort_cs> Go to the Vaisala individual http://mmisw.org/browser/individuals/1100099319/
13:32:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> +q
13:33:43 <Holger> ack laurent_lefort_cs
13:34:38 <michael_> +q
13:34:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: the OWL is quite verbose but that's normal
13:35:35 <Holger> ack michael_
13:35:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> Luis: explaining how to navigate from the sensor to the description of each quality/capability
13:36:22 <kierry> I still can't find the example!
13:36:42 <laurent_lefort_cs> Michael: does the example handle the cases where the accurACY DEPENDS ON THE CONDITIONS (E.G. THE WIND SPEED)? 
13:36:51 <Arthur> http://mmisw.org/browser/classes/-120147420/?session=127f75f5ba9-9-127f7631433
13:36:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... aM i MISSING SOMETHING?
13:37:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> Luis: no, this is correct. The example does not handle this.
13:38:31 <michael_> kerry, follow Luis last posted link, then All Individuals, then WM 30
13:39:24 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/aM i MISSING SOMETHING/am I missing something/
13:39:38 <lbermude> Subclass of MeasurementCapability -> MeasurementCapabilityWithCondition
13:40:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> Luis: Capability with condition is a special type of capability 
13:41:12 <lbermude> yes
13:42:25 <vhuang> +q
13:42:54 <Holger> ack vhuang
13:43:41 <laurent_lefort_cs> vincent: question on the use of operational restrictions for measurement capability 
13:43:41 <michael_> +q
13:44:18 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... can you have different conditions leading to different capability values? 
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13:45:23 <Holger> ack michael_
13:45:33 <laurent_lefort_cs> Luis: yes, need more examples
13:47:11 <laurent_lefort_cs> Luis: asking if the example of the wiki page is available in RDF
13:48:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: Luis to extend the MMI example with measurement capabilities with conditions
13:48:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Extend the MMI example with measurement capabilities with conditions [on Luis Bermudez - due 2010-04-20].
13:48:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: Michael to upload the RDF corresponding the the wiki page example
13:48:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Upload the RDF corresponding the the wiki page example [on Michael Compton - due 2010-04-20].
13:48:56 <Holger> topic: AOB
13:49:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> +q
13:49:44 <Holger> ack laurent_lefort_cs
13:50:34 <kierry> laurent: i cleaned them up a few minuutes ago!
13:51:08 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: asking who want to help to tidy the wiki pages (call for Cory for help on the Semantic Markup pages)
13:51:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: asking everyone to close the actions which are finished
13:51:49 <kierry> +q
13:52:08 <Holger> ack kierry
13:52:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> Kerry: I have closed as much as I could except one for Luis I was not sure.
13:53:15 <lbermude> yes closed
13:53:57 <michael_> +q
13:54:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> Michael: Luis send me a powerpoint to start from. I'm planning to do this very shortly. 
13:54:51 <Holger> ack michael_
13:55:03 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: I think the date are first week of May.
13:55:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/date are/date is/
13:55:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: Michael to report on EGU presentation to be delivered by Simon
13:55:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Report on EGU presentation to be delivered by Simon [on Michael Compton - due 2010-04-20].
13:56:03 <kierry> +q
13:56:58 <Holger> ack kierry
13:57:02 <laurent_lefort_cs> Kerry: It's the time to submiit a workshop proposal at ISWC (Shangai) for the Semantic Sensor Network workshop 
13:57:28 <michael_> ...yes
13:57:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... calling for expression of interest for this workshop
13:58:00 <Payam> yes
13:58:19 <laurent_lefort_cs> Q.: what is the submission deadline for the workshop, for the papers?
13:58:28 <laurent_lefort_cs> A. around september
13:58:50 <kierry>  bye!
13:58:52 <Zakim> -Payam
13:58:53 <Zakim> - +1.202.408.aaee
13:58:53 <Zakim> -??P3
13:58:55 <Zakim> -kelsey
13:58:55 <Zakim> - +1.716.688.aabb
13:58:56 <Zakim> -Arthur
13:58:57 <Zakim> -michael_
13:59:00 <Zakim> -Holger
13:59:01 <Arthur> Arthur has left #ssn
13:59:02 <dongmei> thank,bye-
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13:59:06 <Zakim> -kerry
13:59:09 <michael_> michael_ has left #ssn
13:59:14 <kierry> -kierry
13:59:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/submiit/submit/
13:59:20 <Holger> zakim, bye
13:59:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, kelsey, +1.716.688.aabb, kerry, michael_, Arthur, laurent_lefort_cs, Payam, [MIT528], +1.937.775.aacc, +1.937.775.aadd,
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13:59:24 <Zakim> ... +1.202.408.aaee
13:59:36 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public 
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13:59:45 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes 
13:59:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-ssn-minutes.html Holger
14:00:01 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
14:00:01 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:00:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kierry to adjust wiki and report to W3C [1]
14:00:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-ssn-irc#T13-23-34
14:00:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kerry to adjust wiki and report to W3C [2]
14:00:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-ssn-irc#T13-23-43
14:00:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Luis to extend the MMI example with measurement capabilities with conditions [3]
14:00:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-ssn-irc#T13-48-09
14:00:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to upload the RDF corresponding the the wiki page example [4]
14:00:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-ssn-irc#T13-48-36
14:00:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to report on EGU presentation to be delivered by Simon [5]
14:00:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-ssn-irc#T13-55-36
14:00:13 <Holger> good night ;-)