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11:02:01 <fsasaki> meeting: MAWG
11:02:06 <fsasaki> chair: Joakim
11:02:14 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/0036.html
11:02:19 <pchampin> zakim, aabb is me
11:02:19 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
11:02:25 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
11:02:25 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
11:03:24 <Zakim> +wonsuk
11:03:51 <joakim> Scriber Volunteeer?
11:03:55 <joakim> Felix?
11:04:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
11:04:54 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
11:05:22 <fsasaki> regrets: Werner, Florian, Daniel (partially)
11:05:42 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-mediaann-minutes.html 
11:05:43 <fsasaki> present: Joakim, pchampin, wonsuk, Felix
11:05:50 <fsasaki> minutes from last minutes approved
11:06:04 <fsasaki> next meeting: f2f meeting , no teleconf next week
11:06:10 <fsasaki> meeting in Vienna Monday, 26th
11:06:19 <fsasaki> topic: action items
11:06:24 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
11:07:20 <fsasaki> Joakim describing "reminder" action items
11:07:28 <fsasaki> Felix: let's keep my reminder AI open
11:07:38 <fsasaki> .. ACTION-124
11:08:22 <fsasaki> Joakim: David , ACTION-163, David has not much time to spend for the group, probably we need to remove them or move to somebody else
11:08:50 <fsasaki> Felix: propose to remove the AI, I think we need general review as much as possible
11:08:56 <fsasaki> Chris: propose to remove this
11:09:11 <fsasaki> Joakim: ok, remove the AI
11:09:17 <fsasaki> close ACTION-163
11:09:17 <trackbot> ACTION-163 Update some of the descriptions to make them more precise and highlight the difference with DC closed
11:09:47 <fsasaki> joakim: same for ACTION-171
11:09:52 <fsasaki> close ACTION-171
11:09:52 <trackbot> ACTION-171 improve description of properties (together with veronique) closed
11:10:28 <fsasaki> Joakim going through other AIs
11:11:04 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: ACTION-214 is still open, review from MXM. After we go through LC, we need to recast the review
11:11:11 <fsasaki> ... from the MXM group. 
11:11:58 <fsasaki> Joakim: ACTION-218 done
11:12:00 <fsasaki> close ACTION-218
11:12:00 <trackbot> ACTION-218 Contact the webapps, geolocation WGs to review the API document closed
11:12:15 <fsasaki> Felix: hopefully done this week (ACTION-219)
11:14:08 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: talked related to ACTION-224 with Veronique about improving the ontology document, thought that she would attend the call
11:16:00 <fsasaki> Joakim: ACTION-226 done
11:16:04 <fsasaki> close ACTION-226
11:16:04 <trackbot> ACTION-226 Review mapping table and identify which formats are up to date closed
11:16:27 <fsasaki> Chris: ACTION-227 ongoing, will send a mail probably today
11:16:52 <fsasaki> Joakim: ACTION-228 update?
11:17:09 <fsasaki> Felix: do we still need this, since we are switching to HTML?
11:17:36 <fsasaki> joakim: ACTION-229: Daniel has sent a reminder, done
11:17:43 <fsasaki> close ACTION-229
11:17:43 <trackbot> ACTION-229 Inform reviewers about the deadline closed
11:18:01 <fsasaki> Felix: the ACTOIN-228
11:18:37 <fsasaki> s/Felix: the ACTOIN-228//
11:18:43 <pchampin> I don't see why we wouln't need it
11:18:53 <pchampin> if I got it correctly,
11:19:08 <pchampin> the point is to automate the generation of test cases
11:19:16 <pchampin> from the recomendation
11:19:21 <fsasaki> ah, ok, sorry, so we need it
11:19:32 <pchampin> s/recomendation/text of the specification/
11:20:47 <fsasaki> Joakim: ACTION-230 is done
11:20:50 <fsasaki> close ACTION-230
11:20:50 <trackbot> ACTION-230 Convert the API document to html+script format closed
11:20:59 <fsasaki> Great work, Wonsuk!
11:21:24 <fsasaki> topic: conversion to html+script
11:24:45 <fsasaki> Wonsuk explaining aspects of the conversion and the converted document
11:30:01 <fsasaki> discussion on information needed for interface descriptions
11:33:19 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: structure of the new and old document is different, but the content is the same
11:33:26 <fsasaki> Felix: think so too
11:34:29 <fsasaki> topic: reviews
11:34:48 <fsasaki> Joakim: Did not see a reply to Silvia's review, anybody working on this?
11:35:52 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: have read her mail
11:35:58 <fsasaki> Chris: looking at it
11:36:06 <fsasaki> action: Chris to look at Silvia's comment
11:36:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-231 - Look at Silvia's comment [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-04-20].
11:36:48 <fsasaki> topic: issues before we go to LC
11:36:53 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: setter operations
11:37:13 <fsasaki> .. if we go to LC, I think our goal is just for getter operations, right?
11:37:26 <fsasaki> .. so we have to decide whether we will have setter operatoins or not
11:37:44 <fsasaki> s/operatoins /operations /
11:38:00 <fsasaki> Joakim: there are technical issues for setters we have not solved, right?
11:38:30 <fsasaki> Felix: I think these issues will not be solved during this charter of the Working Group
11:38:56 <pchampin> I agree with Felix
11:38:57 <fsasaki> Joakim: there is the problem of information loss we have to cope with
11:39:31 <fsasaki> joakim: if we decide to exclude setter ops. in the LC, what impact will that have?
11:39:43 <fsasaki> Felix: there is no impact from the W3C process point of view
11:39:52 <fsasaki> .. if the WG agrees not to do this, that is fine
11:40:14 <pchampin> +1 for checking the impact of setters against the use cases
11:40:15 <fsasaki> .. (speaking personally, you might want to confirm with Thierry)
11:40:30 <fsasaki> joakim: checking the impact of setters against the use cases might be good
11:40:50 <pchampin> you can action me
11:41:29 <fsasaki> action: pchampin to check the impact on use cases of excluding setter operations
11:41:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-232 - Check the impact on use cases of excluding setter operations [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2010-04-20].
11:42:24 <fsasaki> topic: ontology
11:42:30 <fsasaki> joakim: who is working on ontology review
11:42:38 <fsasaki> wonsuk: veronique is working on that
11:43:22 <fsasaki> joakim: how about setting a deadline for updating the mapping table? If there is no update, we exclude the format from the spec
11:44:38 <fsasaki> ... e.g. 4th of May
11:45:03 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: we have to make a decision for the mapping table as well
11:45:32 <fsasaki> .. we have to decide for LC what to include and what to exclude for mapping table
11:46:25 <fsasaki> .. we have to set final dates for updating mapping table. After that we decide what to include in the ontology document.
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11:48:45 <fsasaki> present+ fstegmai
11:49:45 <joakim> shall we make it 20/4?
11:50:21 <fsasaki> Felix: fine by me
11:50:27 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: agree
11:51:15 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: Silvia proposed OGG format, we have to decide whether we want to add that to the mapping table
11:51:54 <fsasaki> Wonsuk: Silvia is an expert in that area, so I think we can believe her
11:54:04 <fsasaki> From Silvia: "I checked your list of possible additional elements in comparison with what is available for Ogg through Vorbiscomment or Skeleton and these are some that you don't seem to have considered yet: ..."
11:54:26 <fsasaki> ... CONTACT and ENCODER
11:54:36 <fsasaki> (from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/0008.html )
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11:55:42 <fsasaki> Silvias mapping table is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/att-0008/OggMetadata.html
11:56:39 <fsasaki> action: Thierry to add mapping table for OGG (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/att-0008/OggMetadata.html ) to the mapping table
11:56:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-233 - Add mapping table for OGG (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/att-0008/OggMetadata.html ) to the mapping table [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-04-20].
11:57:34 <fsasaki> Joakim: mapping for XMP?
11:57:38 <fsasaki> Felix: I am working on that
11:57:51 <fsasaki> .. again hopefully done this week
11:58:49 <fsasaki> topic: test suite progress
11:59:06 <fsasaki> Joakim: Chris is working on the example, will hear about it at the f2f meeting
11:59:24 <fsasaki> topic: RDF taskforce
11:59:45 <pchampin> next call is tomorrow
12:00:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
12:01:11 <Zakim> -Felix
12:01:35 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_ViennaF2F
12:02:43 <joakim> who is fstegmai please?
12:02:58 <joakim> Hi florian! :-)
12:03:49 <Zakim> - +0329331aaaa
12:03:54 <Zakim> -joakim
12:04:00 <Zakim> -wonsuk
12:04:07 <Zakim> -pchampin
12:04:09 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
12:04:09 <florian> joakim, wo will attend in vienna?
12:04:11 <Zakim> Attendees were +0329331aaaa, joakim, +95177aabb, pchampin, wonsuk, [IPcaller], Felix
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12:04:13 <florian> do you know that?
12:04:23 <joakim> what?
12:04:49 <florian> who will participate the f2f in vienna
12:04:50 <joakim> Oh, yes, I can check that!
12:04:56 <florian> would be really nice :)
12:05:24 <florian> tobias and i will arive at 10:30 on monay in vienna...we should be at the meeting at 11:30 latest i guess
12:06:07 <florian> ok, have a nice week joakim...i´m out...poster session starts
12:06:11 <florian> bye!
12:06:11 <joakim> Ok! you too
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