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17:00:09 <noah> zakim, who is talking?
17:00:09 <Zakim> sorry, noah, I don't know what conference this is
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17:00:17 <Ashok> zakim, this is TAG
17:00:17 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; that matches TAG_Weekly()1:00PM
17:00:23 <noah> zakim, who is talking?
17:00:35 <Zakim> noah, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (45%)
17:00:40 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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17:01:05 <Zakim> -DKA
17:01:10 <Ashok> chair: Noah_Mendelsohn
17:01:11 <Zakim> +Masinter
17:01:18 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok
17:01:25 <Zakim> +DKA
17:01:25 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
17:01:26 <Zakim> +DanC
17:01:32 <Ashok> scribe: Ashok_Malhotra
17:01:35 <DKA> zakim, mute me
17:01:35 <Zakim> DKA should now be muted
17:03:27 <Ashok> Topic: Convene
17:03:37 <DanC> RESOLVED: to cancel TAG weekly telcon 8 Apr
17:04:38 <DanC> (resolved last week, I gather; just a reminder)
17:04:57 <noah> zakim, who is here?
17:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Noah_Mendelsohn, Ashok_Malhotra, Masinter, DKA (muted), Jonathan_Rees, DanC
17:04:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see jar_, masinter, DKA, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ashok, noah, timbl, DanC, trackbot
17:05:51 <Ashok> present: Noah_Mendelsohn, Dan_Connolly, Dan_Appelquist, Larry_Masinter, Ashok_Malhotra
17:06:05 <Ashok> regrets: John_Kemp, Henry_Thompson
17:06:19 <DKA> zakim, unmute me
17:06:19 <Zakim> DKA should no longer be muted
17:06:34 <Ashok> Minutes of March 4 have been checked in
17:06:44 <Ashok> ... by DanA
17:07:17 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/04-minutes.html
17:08:41 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/11-minutes.html
17:08:54 <noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/11-minutes.html
17:09:01 <noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly
17:09:08 <noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/01-agenda
17:09:11 <Ashok> Minutes of March 11 above
17:09:38 <DanC> PROPOSED: to approve 11 March, noting DKA's regrets
17:09:40 <Ashok> DanA:  I was not on the call on 3/11 but gave regrets
17:10:14 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Minutes of March 11 are approved.  URL is above
17:12:04 <Ashok> present+: Jonathan_Rees
17:12:20 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/25-minutes.html
17:14:05 <Ashok> Noah:  We need to tell TPAC folks about TAG meeting
17:14:35 <Ashok> ... suggest we say "TAG members will be on a best effort basis... we will meet Mon and Fri"
17:15:16 <Ashok> ACTION:  Noah to verify with TAG TPAC plans and communicate to W3C teem due April 13
17:15:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-423 - Verify with TAG TPAC plans and communicate to W3C teem due April 13 [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2010-04-08].
17:15:39 <DanC> action-423 due 13 Apr
17:15:39 <trackbot> ACTION-423 Verify with TAG TPAC plans and communicate to W3C teem due April 13 due date now 13 Apr
17:16:05 <DanC> action-415: see http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/24-tagmem-minutes.html
17:16:05 <trackbot> ACTION-415 Edit ftf minutes day 1 (Wednesday 24 March) notes added
17:16:09 <DanC> close action-415
17:16:09 <trackbot> ACTION-415 Edit ftf minutes day 1 (Wednesday 24 March) closed
17:16:43 <Ashok> Topic: HTML 5 review: [14]ISSUE-41 (LanguageVersioning-41): HTML5
17:17:12 <Ashok> Noah:  We don't have a share tracking system with HTML folks
17:18:00 <DanC> ack me
17:18:20 <Ashok> We opened ACTION 407   Need to respond
17:18:24 <masinter> action-407?
17:18:24 <trackbot> ACTION-407 -- Henry S. Thompson to propose an update to DanC's prose from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0878.html to explicitly reference or encorporate the HTML history, similarly to the way 2854 does -- due 2010-04-13 -- OPEN
17:18:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/407
17:18:46 <DanC> looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/26-minutes.html ...
17:19:05 <Ashok> Noah:  maybe nothing to do here since Henry is not here
17:19:13 <DanC> text/html registration is http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/26-minutes.html#item07
17:19:59 <masinter> i think there's a bigger architectural issue about MIME types, what they're for, how they're used in the web
17:20:07 <masinter> q+
17:21:03 <Ashok> LMM:  I'm concerned that there is not a good understanding about MIME types
17:21:20 <Ashok> ... there is a lot of confusion.  This relates to a lot of open issue.
17:21:23 <jar_> http://www.w3.org/1999/09/specification.html
17:21:39 <DanC> issue-1?
17:21:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- Should W3C WGs define their own media types? -- RAISED
17:21:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/1
17:21:40 <Ashok> ... I think we shd write a finding about MIME types
17:21:52 <DanC> q+ to note http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/0430-mime
17:22:28 <Ashok> Noah:  I'm happy to entertain the proposal
17:22:40 <jar_> masinter: A mime type doesn't license anyone to do anything
17:22:45 <Ashok> ... but Paul wants feedback soon
17:23:23 <Ashok> LMM:  Let's focus on feedback
17:23:44 <DanC> s/LMM:/Noah:/
17:23:55 <Ashok> Noah:  I suggest we tell Paul we are working on it but it will be a bit late
17:23:58 <jar_> q?
17:24:10 <noah> q?
17:24:14 <masinter> I think we should take up the bigger issue
17:24:20 <noah> ack next
17:24:21 <DKA> +1 to your suggested approach, Noah.
17:24:32 <masinter> I'd rather have correct feedback than bad feedback sooner
17:24:41 <masinter> issue-1?
17:24:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- Should W3C WGs define their own media types? -- RAISED
17:24:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/1
17:25:15 <DanC> (on that page, it says "State:    PENDING REVIEW")
17:25:18 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/0430-mime
17:25:23 <Ashok> DanC:  We have a finding on MIME types from April 2004
17:25:47 <DanC> "Internet Media Type registration, consistency of use"
17:25:55 <Ashok> DanC:  It says you should have a MIME type ... not let sec and type get out of sync
17:26:37 <masinter> It doesn't say what MIME types mean, whether they should be sniffed, whether it's reasonable to write recommendation  "The document FOOBAR-XML can be served as A or B"
17:27:02 <Ashok> DanA:  This finding reads to me like RTFM
17:27:12 <masinter> it doesn't give guidelines on redefinition of MIME types, about change controllers
17:27:13 <noah> q?
17:27:17 <noah> ack next
17:27:18 <Ashok> ... I think Larry was suggesting something in the Web Arch
17:27:19 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/0430-mime
17:27:58 <noah> q+
17:28:04 <noah> ack next
17:28:08 <Ashok> DanC:  It will be yet more stuff to read ... It's all documented ... 
17:28:10 <DKA> q?
17:28:34 <Ashok> Noah:  I'm sympathetic to writing findings
17:28:37 <masinter> I'm proposing updating http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/0430-mime, not writing a new finding.
17:28:51 <DanC> (I'd be happy to see masinter pull a rabbit out of a hat, so to speak.)
17:29:04 <masinter> the RFCs on MIME types don't talk about MIME types in the web, for example, they focus on email
17:29:12 <Ashok> ... there is a lot we have been discussing that existing findings don't address
17:29:17 <masinter> don't mention use of MIME types in content-negotiation
17:29:27 <Ashok> ... who can put some effort into it?
17:29:30 <masinter> could address the text/html application/xhtml+xml issue
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17:29:49 <DanC> ("content negotiation" doesn't occur in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/0430-mime . interesting.)
17:29:51 <noah> q?
17:30:02 <Ashok> Noah:  When you start a finding there is a chance the group will not approve it
17:30:16 <Ashok> ... we need someone to step up
17:30:31 <Ashok> LMM:  I'm willing to work on it
17:31:03 <DKA> I will be willing to help.
17:31:17 <DanC> . ACTION Masinter: draft update to TAG mime type finding (with DanA) to address [KEYWORDS, please?]
17:31:47 <Ashok> Noah: Due date f2f?
17:32:23 <Ashok> LMM:  I will start some discussions on www-tag
17:32:32 <masinter> i will have an action to propose changes on www-tag in the next 3 days
17:32:59 <masinter> and another action to prepare a proposed update to finding based on that discussion by F2F
17:33:46 <noah> Larry, Dan wants keywords
17:33:57 <Ashok> DanC:  Need keyword to say what's wrong with the finding
17:34:21 <Ashok> Noah:  Need guidance on how to respond to PaulC
17:34:36 <jar_> . ACTION Masinter: propose some changes/additions to 0430-mime, due in 3 days
17:34:39 <Ashok> ... we have ACTION-407 dates ahve slipped a bit
17:34:52 <masinter> ACTION Masinter: propose some changes/additions to 0430-mime, due in 3 days
17:34:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-424 - Propose some changes/additions to 0430-mime, due in 3 days [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-04-08].
17:34:57 <jar_> q?
17:35:06 <Ashok> Topic: HTML WG [20]ISSUE-81: "representation" instead of "resource"
17:35:36 <masinter> ACTION Masinter: draft updated 0430-mine, with help from DanA, due by next TAG F2F, based on www-tag discussion
17:35:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-425 - Draft updated 0430-mine, with help from DanA, due by next TAG F2F, based on www-tag discussion [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-04-08].
17:35:46 <Ashok> Noah:  PaulC sent mail saying they had a concern with out planning esp.  issue 81\
17:35:56 <Ashok> ... I said it was closed
17:36:32 <Ashok> DanC:  It was pending review ... I thought it would be on f2f agenda
17:36:41 <Ashok> Noah:  Oops missed that
17:36:49 <noah> action-389?
17:36:49 <trackbot> ACTION-389 -- Larry Masinter to take Dan's proposal on resource/representation and turn it into a change proposal -- due 2010-02-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:36:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/389
17:36:49 <jar_> q+ jar to say "document"
17:37:08 <noah> ack next
17:37:10 <Zakim> jar, you wanted to say "document"
17:37:24 <masinter> (can't hear over noise here, will respond to IRC but not phone)
17:37:27 <Ashok> JAR:  I remember exchanged mail w/DanC
17:38:22 <Ashok> ... seems straightforward ... suggest HTML5 revert to language used by HTML4 --- replace "resource" to "document"
17:38:34 <Ashok> Noah:  What abt representation?
17:38:42 <Ashok> JAR:  Not used in HTML4
17:39:45 <noah> q?
17:40:00 <Ashok> Noah:  Someone shd step up and say "here is a story we can tell HTML"  otherwise we can say we have changed our mind and will not provide input
17:40:10 <Zakim> +TimBL
17:40:33 <Ashok> LMM:  It's editorial, I don't want to work on editorial stuff
17:40:43 <Ashok> present+: TimBL
17:40:59 <masinter> s/LMM:/DanC:/
17:41:23 <Ashok> DanC:  We are discussing resource and representation but no one seem inclined to work on it
17:42:43 <Ashok> JAR:  There are many occurrences of "resource"  in the document
17:43:10 <timbl> RT @aetxebeste: RT @openstreetmap: Announcing closedstreetmap.org http://post.ly/X2pg
17:43:21 <Ashok> TimBL:  How many of those cannot be turned into "document"
17:43:43 <timbl> soory clipboard fail
17:44:00 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/Overview.html 
17:44:02 <Ashok> s/soory/sorry/
17:44:50 <Ashok> JAR:  How strongly does Tim feel about this ... inconsistent use of resource
17:45:04 <Ashok> ... inconsistent with other usage
17:45:11 <timbl>  curl http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/Overview.html | grep -i resource | wc  =>   659    7123   65235
17:45:40 <Ashok> Others feel "resource"  means a sequence of bytes with a media type
17:45:52 <jar_> danc: Ian gives evidence that 'resource' is already used in w3c documents to mean bytes (+ media type etc)
17:46:21 <DanC> [[
17:46:21 <DanC> Ian points out usage that suggests "a resource is a bag of bits"
17:46:21 <DanC> in HTML 4, CSS, SVG etc.
17:46:21 <DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/1132.html
17:46:22 <DanC> ]]
17:46:28 <DanC>  -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0070.html
17:46:52 <timbl> "This specification defines an abstract language for describing documents and applications, and some APIs for interacting with in-memory representations of resources that use this language."
17:46:58 <timbl> 1.6
17:48:25 <timbl> "There are various concrete syntaxes that can be used to transmit resources that use this abstract language, two of which are defined in this specification."
17:48:27 <Ashok> JAR:  Looking at Ian's mail
17:48:48 <Ashok> ... the one Dan pasted in -- 1132
17:49:24 <noah> Ian's mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/1132.html
17:50:04 <Ashok> Noah:  I don't find his examples compelling
17:50:10 <Ashok> JAR:  Agrees
17:50:25 <DanC> (rfc2616 is what? )
17:50:30 <masinter> the term "resource" is ambiguous
17:50:39 <noah> q?
17:50:50 <masinter> so you can easily find documents that use it in lots of ways
17:51:00 <DanC> (I think rfc2616 is replaced by http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt )
17:51:03 <Ashok> JAR:  If Tim is happy, I'm happy
17:51:05 <masinter> can we really address editorial issues one-by-one
17:51:08 <masinter> ?
17:51:21 <masinter> http://masinter.blogspot.com/2010/03/resources-are-angels-urls-are-pins.html
17:51:51 <jar_> apparently.
17:52:18 <Ashok> Noah:  I find this as reasoning from the converse
17:52:47 <masinter> the MIME type finding update could also talk about resources & representations?
17:52:56 <masinter> or maybe it should be an update to webarch?
17:52:57 <Ashok> ... argues from XML Schema where the wording is not great!
17:53:23 <Ashok> DanC:  It's an editorial matter
17:54:14 <timbl> "Indeed. Nor do resources. The URL "http://twitter.com/hixie" has as its 
17:54:14 <timbl> significance "use the HTTP protocol on the server with host name 
17:54:14 <timbl> 'twitter.com' on port 80 with path '/hixie'"; it doesn't have any more 
17:54:14 <Ashok> Noah:  I think it's more than editorial because usage may be confusingly different
17:54:14 <timbl> actual significance than that."  
17:54:15 <timbl> T
17:54:29 <timbl> his is nt what web arch says, it is a diff philosophy
17:54:39 <masinter> as chair of HTTP WG at the time, I can say authoritatively that 2616 was the result of a battle over functional behavior, and editorial issues were definitely second priority
17:54:40 <jar_> This is not a falsifiable claim; irrelevant.
17:54:47 <noah> q?
17:55:33 <jar_> s/This is/Ian's significance claim/
17:56:29 <Ashok> LMM:  Let's take it one word at a time editorially
17:56:50 <masinter> s/Let's take it/I wonder about the value of taking it/
17:57:12 <Ashok> Noah:  Dicussion of URI and URL discussion was fruutful
17:57:14 <jar_> q?
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17:57:50 <Ashok> Noah:  What would TAG like to tell the HTML WG?
17:59:50 <Ashok> Tim:  Represenation is a messy word
18:00:12 <Ashok> JAR:  I suggest "document" as alternative to "resource"
18:00:13 <timbl> Trouble is, I like "document" as an altarntive for "resource" - not "representation".
18:00:23 <timbl> How about "file"?
18:00:31 <timbl> That is a set  of bits
18:00:55 <DKA> q+
18:00:56 <jar_> HTML4 uses "document"... that seems good... it reads well
18:00:58 <DKA> q?
18:01:10 <DanC> s/JAR:  I suggest "document" as alternative to "resource"/JAR:  I suggest "document" as alternative to html5:resource/
18:01:23 <timbl> "A URL is a string used to identify a resource.
18:01:23 <timbl> " 2.5.1 is fine
18:01:30 <Zakim> -Masinter
18:01:42 <DanC> I hear TimBL saying he likes "document" as a synonym for webarch:resource
18:02:24 <timbl> No, I "document" as a synonym for webarch:resource
18:02:34 <timbl> s/I/I like/
18:03:02 <timbl> No, I like "document" as a synonym for webarch:resource
18:03:14 <timbl> No, I like "document" as a synonym for webarch:resource
18:03:25 <timbl> it is doing some stupid completeion
18:03:42 <timbl> aaaaaaaa stupid client
18:03:45 <DanC> ah... webarch:information-resource
18:03:55 <timbl> webarch:foo
18:04:05 <timbl> webarch:InformationResource
18:04:15 <timbl> for webarch:InformationResource
18:04:32 <timbl> I like "document" as a synonym for webarch:InformationResource
18:04:49 <timbl> Phew
18:05:00 <noah> So, that's what Tim meant...
18:05:25 <timbl> Gow about "file" as a set of bits
18:05:40 <timbl>  and representation as the combination of returned metadata and the file
18:05:46 <Ashok> s/Gow/How/
18:06:18 <Ashok> DKA:  Asks about the state of play on the issue
18:06:36 <Ashok> DanC:  I sent comments to TAG not the editors
18:07:04 <Ashok> DKA:  Why not ask editors to put in explanotory note at the start of the document
18:07:19 <noah> q?
18:07:25 <timbl> I note http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/Overview.html has scripts which prevent it from being used easily
18:07:25 <DKA> ack me
18:07:28 <noah> ack next
18:08:35 <timbl>     http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html 
18:09:30 <timbl> "A script on this page is busy"
18:09:58 <Ashok> Noah:  Do we really need to edit the source?
18:10:26 <timbl> Currently, "resource" is used inconsisently within the spec. Therefore, it would have to be edited by a persopn, 
18:10:36 <DanC> the status section of the editor's draft notes http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/ and svn checkout http://svn.whatwg.org/webapps/
18:11:43 <Ashok> s/persopn/person/
18:13:32 <DanC> (inconsistently? I haven't seen that. could you point out 2 inconsistent uses, tim? that could)
18:13:57 <Ashok> Tim:  Yes
18:14:31 <Ashok> ... sometimes it says a URI identifies a resource
18:16:43 <DanC> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/spec/
18:17:09 <Zakim> -DKA
18:19:00 <Ashok> Noah:  They think we offered to do some drafting but we have not
18:19:22 <Ashok> DanC:  Tim was proposing to give them instructions
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18:23:50 <timbl> <td> <span>&agrave;</span> </td> </tr><!-- (invalid entity with missing semicolon for legacy support only) --><tr><td> <code title="">alefsym;</code> </td> <td> U+02135 </td> <td> <span>&alefsym;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">aleph;</code> </td> <td> U+02135 </td> <td> <span>&alefsym;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">alpha;</code> </td> <td> U+003B1 </td> <td> <span>&alpha;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">amacr;</code> </td> <td> U+00101 </td> <td
18:23:55 <timbl> <span>&#257;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">amalg;</code> </td> <td> U+02A3F </td> <td> <span>&#10815;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">amp;</code> </td> <td> U+00026 </td> <td> <span>&amp;</span> </td> <tr class="impl"><td> <code title="">amp</code> </td> <td> U+00026 </td> <td> <span title="">&amp;</span> </td> </tr><!-- (invalid entity with missing semicolon for legacy support only) --><tr class="impl"><td> <code title="">amp</code> </td> <td> U+0002
18:24:00 <timbl> </td> <td> <span>&amp;</span> </td> </tr><!-- (invalid entity with missing semicolon for legacy support only) --><tr><td> <code title="">and;</code> </td> <td> U+02227 </td> <td> <span>&and;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">andand;</code> </td> <td> U+02A55 </td> <td> <span>&#10837;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">andd;</code> </td> <td> U+02A5C </td> <td> <span>&#10844;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">andslope;</code> </td> <td> U+02A58 </td> <td> 
18:24:05 <timbl> <span>&#10840;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">andv;</code> </td> <td> U+02A5A </td> <td> <span>&#10842;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">ang;</code> </td> <td> U+02220 </td> <td> <span>&ang;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">ange;</code> </td> <td> U+029A4 </td> <td> <span>&#10660;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">angle;</code> </td> <td> U+02220 </td> <td> <span>&ang;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">angmsd;</code> </td> <td> U+02221 </td> <
18:24:11 <timbl> <span>&#8737;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">angmsdaa;</code> </td> <td> U+029A8 </td> <td> <span>&#10664;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">angmsdab;</code> </td> <td> U+029A9 </td> <td> <span>&#10665;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">angmsdac;</code> </td> <td> U+029AA </td> <td> <span>&#10666;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">angmsdad;</code> </td> <td> U+029AB </td> <td> <span>&#10667;</span> </td> <tr><td> <code title="">angmsdae;</code> </t
18:24:16 <timbl> <td> U+029AC </td>
18:24:18 <timbl> is not an editable editor's draft.
18:24:22 <timbl> Things like that do not made a drafteditable.
18:26:08 <Ashok> Noah:  I'm happy to delegate the respose to Paul to someone else
18:27:47 <timbl> I would like the TAG to ask the HTML WG to change the document so that the same word  "resource" is not used for different concepts. 
18:28:48 <DanC> I understand the position of the editor so that it's already not used for different concepts.
18:30:37 <Ashok> s/respose/response/
18:31:27 <Ashok> Noah:  We can make correction without having access to the source
18:32:19 <Ashok> ... we can copy/paste from a browse window
18:35:16 <Ashok> Noah:  I will communicate with Paul informally
18:35:42 <Ashok> Noah:  ADJOURNED
18:35:55 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
18:36:05 <Ashok> rrsagent, pointer
18:36:05 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/04/01-tagmem-irc#T18-36-05
18:36:39 <Zakim> -Noah_Mendelsohn
18:37:45 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:38:26 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Rees
18:40:26 <Zakim> -DanC
18:40:27 <Zakim> -TimBL
18:40:27 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
18:40:29 <Zakim> Attendees were DKA, Noah_Mendelsohn, Ashok_Malhotra, Masinter, Jonathan_Rees, DanC, TimBL
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