10:50:55 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #mediaann
10:50:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-mediaann-irc
10:51:04 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
10:51:04 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
10:52:16 <fsasaki> fsasaki has joined #mediaann
10:56:11 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has now started
10:56:18 <Zakim> + +0329331aaaa
10:57:40 <joakim> joakim has joined #mediaann
10:58:06 <joakim> zakim, this is mawg
10:58:06 <Zakim> joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
10:58:07 <Zakim> ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
10:58:43 <Zakim> +??P1
10:59:36 <chris> chris has joined #mediaann
10:59:47 <daniel> daniel has joined #mediaann
11:00:04 <joakim> chair:  Joakim & Daniel
11:00:16 <joakim> scribe: Pierre Antoine
11:01:02 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.17.aabb
11:01:03 <pchampin> pchampin has joined #mediaann
11:01:04 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aacc
11:01:10 <wbailer> zakim, aacc is wbailer
11:01:10 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
11:01:22 <chris> zakim, aaaa is chris
11:01:22 <Zakim> +chris; got it
11:01:51 <joakim> Zakim, +46.1 is me, 
11:01:51 <Zakim> +me,; got it
11:02:18 <Zakim> +pchampin
11:02:37 <Zakim> +florian
11:02:45 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
11:03:45 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-mediaann-minutes.html
11:04:21 <pchampin> topic: previous minutes approval
11:04:29 <pchampin> minutes approved
11:04:40 <pchampin> topic: scribe for next meeting
11:04:41 <Zakim> +Thierry
11:04:53 <pchampin> florian volunteers
11:05:07 <pchampin> for next tuesday, 11:00 UTC
11:05:08 <tmichel> tmichel has joined #mediaann
11:05:15 <pchampin> topic: open action items
11:05:29 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
11:05:53 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
11:05:53 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
11:07:16 <pchampin> joakim: we should change the title of action 47
11:07:26 <pchampin> werner: I will do it
11:07:33 <fsasaki> still open, ACTION-124 , as a reminder ...
11:07:50 <fsasaki> felix: yes, will change the title
11:08:31 <pchampin> joakim: 4 next actions for David, who is not here
11:08:54 <pchampin> werner: action 135 is done already; we already discussed the consequences
11:08:59 <chris> I agree with werner to drop 135
11:09:03 <daniel> I talked with Dave Singer during the last AC and he said he won't ba able to work on MAWG. I'd suggest to take off all of his items.
11:09:12 <pchampin> ... and action 149 referes to an old version of the document
11:09:21 <pchampin> close ACTION-135
11:09:21 <trackbot> ACTION-135 update description of location to represent shot location closed
11:09:27 <pchampin> close ACTION-149
11:09:27 <trackbot> ACTION-149 Review of whole of ontology doc with veronique closed
11:09:45 <tmichel> tmichel has left #mediaann
11:10:10 <pchampin> ACTION-209?
11:10:10 <trackbot> ACTION-209 -- Florian Stegmaier to share his image metadata with the group (when he has it) -- due 2010-02-09 -- OPEN
11:10:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/209
11:10:20 <chris>  I think that the actions by David are not influencing other work so they can be closed
11:10:29 <pchampin> florian: still ongoing, the student has not provided the metadata yet
11:11:23 <pchampin> ACTION-217
11:11:33 <pchampin> ACTION-217?
11:11:33 <trackbot> ACTION-217 -- Joakim Söderberg to ask Sylvia to review the doc -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
11:11:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/217
11:12:14 <pchampin> joakim: I asked Sylvia; she sent a mail to tell she would give her review by the end of april
11:12:19 <pchampin> close ACTION-217
11:12:19 <trackbot> ACTION-217 Ask Sylvia to review the doc closed
11:13:11 <wonsuk> wonsuk has joined #mediaann
11:13:28 <chris> is daniel on the phone?
11:13:48 <pchampin> joakim: has Daniel sent this question to the webapp group?
11:14:09 <tmichel> tmichel has joined #mediaann
11:14:15 <daniel> Yes, I officially requeted the review to webapp and DAP WG
11:14:16 <joakim> Wonsuk status on action 214?
11:14:37 <wonsuk> just a minute.. 
11:14:40 <daniel> Action-218 can be closed
11:14:53 <joakim> I will ask geolocation to ask our API doc!
11:15:26 <joakim> Do we still want review from geolocation?
11:15:32 <chris> yes
11:15:37 <chris> imo
11:15:51 <pchampin> ACTION-218 ongoing: still have to ask geolocation
11:15:58 <joakim> keep 218 open, I will ask geolocatio for review!
11:16:12 <pchampin> ACTION-219
11:16:18 <pchampin> ACTION-219?
11:16:18 <trackbot> ACTION-219 -- Felix Sasaki to update the API doc e with the service description -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
11:16:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/219
11:16:38 <pchampin> ACTION-220?
11:16:38 <trackbot> ACTION-220 -- Thierry Michel to investigate into the tool to transform WebIDL example intoi testsuite -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
11:16:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/220
11:16:41 <Zakim> + +82.10.58.00.aadd
11:16:43 <fsasaki> is not done yet, ACTION-219
11:16:56 <wonsuk> zakim, +82.10.58.00.aadd is me
11:16:56 <Zakim> +wonsuk; got it
11:16:57 <tmichel> http://suika.fam.cx/www/webidl2tests/readme
11:17:08 <pchampin> thierry: have been investigating that tool (URI above)
11:17:15 <pchampin> ... one side remark:
11:17:35 <pchampin> ... we have pieces of code embeded in the API doc
11:17:50 <pchampin> ... needs to have a PRE element with class "itl" (?)
11:17:58 <chris> where is this added? (in the xslt?)
11:18:20 <chris> the pre-element is not in the xml input but in the html output
11:18:23 <pchampin> s/"itl" (?)/"idl"/
11:18:47 <pchampin> ... then we can validate the WebIDL more easily
11:19:36 <pchampin> ... We also need a piece of code to show how to instanciate the object.
11:19:54 <pchampin> ... This tool is nice, but does not support the latest version of WebIDL currenty.
11:20:07 <pchampin> ... It will be updated by may/june, which should meet our constraints.
11:20:47 <pchampin> ... We should write some tests manually, then use the tool to generate more test cases.
11:20:47 <chris> +q
11:20:58 <joakim> chris!
11:21:36 <pchampin> chris: the XML is generated automatically; how do we add the PRE element?
11:22:04 <pchampin> ... currently, we insert a DEF, which gets automatically transformed into a PRE
11:22:19 <pchampin> thierry: I will investigate this
11:23:31 <joakim> pa?
11:24:18 <pchampin> action: tmichel to investigate how to create def elements with class "idl" in the generated XML
11:24:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Investigate how to create def elements with class "idl" in the generated XML [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-04-06].
11:24:27 <chris> dominique (dom) has sent a review on the API a while a go
11:24:50 <pchampin> close ACTION-220
11:24:50 <trackbot> ACTION-220 Investigate into the tool to transform WebIDL example intoi testsuite closed
11:24:57 <pchampin> ACTION-222?
11:24:57 <trackbot> ACTION-222 -- Soohong Daniel Park to send mail to list about adding syntactic mappings -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
11:24:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/222
11:25:23 <joakim> Daniel, do you want to comment action 222?
11:25:29 <daniel> action 222 and 223 are still open. 
11:25:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 222
11:26:30 <pchampin> joakim: isn't action 222 related to the mail I sent to the group about relations?
11:26:54 <fsasaki> close ACTION-222
11:26:54 <trackbot> ACTION-222 Send mail to list about adding syntactic mappings closed
11:27:13 <joakim> Daniel, do you want to comment action 223?
11:27:28 <daniel> 223 is still open.
11:27:42 <pchampin> ACTION-224?
11:27:42 <trackbot> ACTION-224 -- Véronique Malaisé to check together with other ontology doc editors results from webapps review and make updates -- due 2010-03-30 -- OPEN
11:27:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/224
11:28:43 <pchampin> ACTION-224 ongoing
11:28:49 <pchampin> ACTION-225?
11:28:50 <trackbot> ACTION-225 -- Véronique Malaisé to inclusion of mapping table into ontology document -- due 2010-03-30 -- OPEN
11:28:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/225
11:29:23 <pchampin> thierry: that is done through links. A link for each format.
11:30:05 <pchampin> joakim: is there something for Véronique to do?
11:30:36 <pchampin> thierry: if you want the editors to update the links, it should be done in the XML source
11:30:59 <pchampin> ... by updating the 22 links. I can provide the links.
11:31:08 <pchampin> joakim: leave it open, then
11:31:17 <chris> ongoing
11:31:44 <pchampin> ACTION-227 ongoing
11:31:55 <pchampin> topic: Way forward to LC for Ontology and API documents
11:32:14 <pchampin> joakim: for the ontology doc, we need to improve the mapping table
11:32:51 <pchampin> wonsuk: before going to LC, we will receive the comments from W3C experts from other groups
11:33:27 <pchampin> ... inc. Robin Berjon
11:33:41 <fsasaki> Felix: think we could implement Robin's comments, that will be a good preparation for last call
11:34:10 <pchampin> ... don't know how long we have to wait.
11:34:36 <pchampin> joakim: Daniel, you could set a deadline for reviews.
11:34:56 <daniel> Agreed, 
11:35:29 <pchampin> action daniel to inform reviewers about the deadline
11:35:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
11:35:58 <daniel> let's remind them for our due...in 2 weeks ? make sense for our milestone (one week before the next f2f)
11:36:26 <pchampin> action spark3 to inform reviewers about the deadline
11:36:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-229 - Inform reviewers about the deadline [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2010-04-06].
11:37:29 <pchampin> joakim: maybe we should define minimum information to be put in the mapping table?
11:38:12 <pchampin> werner: there could be a minimum criteria for columns for each field
11:38:22 <pchampin> ... e.g. "at least a name and a datatyp"
11:38:47 <pchampin> ... completeness is hard to achieve or check, depending on the formats
11:38:52 <pchampin> s/datatyp/datatype/
11:39:27 <pchampin> joakim: agreed on those two column. What about the "syntactic mapping" column?
11:39:33 <fsasaki> Felix: it might be good (in addition) to see what the reviewers say - we could ask them in the review request "what is in a good shape in your opinion?"
11:39:53 <pchampin> werner: could be. Let's see how the table evolves to know how strict we can be :)
11:40:08 <fsasaki> s/a good shape/a good shape (that is what is the minimum level of useful information)/
11:41:22 <tmichel> yes we should have a dad line
11:41:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:41:30 <pchampin> joakim: with a deadline in two weeks, we could vote during the 30/04 telecon
11:41:36 <joakim> Daniel, how about voting/deciding for final version of Ontology doc the 13/4?
11:41:56 <pchampin> s/30/13
11:42:38 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Mar/0112.html
11:42:41 <pchampin> thierry: minimum is 4 weeks of LC before CR
11:42:49 <daniel> final revision for voting (all resolution of reviews) ? 
11:42:52 <fsasaki> meeting: MAWG
11:42:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:43:18 <pchampin> ... once we've ended the LC review, we need time to deal with all the comments
11:43:24 <pchampin> ... usually about a month
11:43:36 <pchampin> joakim: that brings us to july
11:44:09 <pchampin> thierry: you can stay very little time in CR
11:44:23 <fsasaki> present: joakim, felix, thierry, chris, daniel, florian, pchampin, werner, wonsuk
11:44:23 <pchampin> ... depending on the level implementation
11:44:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
11:45:04 <pchampin> ... my experience is that all comments come during the last week of LC
11:45:36 <daniel> Daniel: so getting reviewers comments by April 13, voting for LC on April 20. is it doable ?
11:45:40 <pchampin> joakim: I still think that we should try to aim at the 13/04
11:45:50 <pchampin> ... to decide which parts of the mapping table we'll keep
11:46:35 <pchampin> joakim: who can comment about the API document?
11:46:47 <pchampin> chris: we got some comments from Robin.
11:48:04 <chris> I am preparing answers to the comments of Robin
11:48:07 <pchampin> ... comments from geolocation would be valuable as well.
11:49:17 <wonsuk> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/
11:49:28 <pchampin> wonsuk: the DAT working group is using HTML+javascript for editing their document
11:49:44 <pchampin> ... (see URI above)
11:49:50 <pchampin> ... I propose that we switch to this solution
11:50:07 <joakim> chris /florian?
11:51:08 <joakim> do yo lie wonsuks proposal?
11:51:20 <pchampin> ... first benefit: easier to edit
11:52:35 <pchampin> ... second benefit: nicer output
11:53:00 <pchampin> s/DAT working/DAP working
11:53:48 <florian> from my point of view a document like the one wonsuk proposed would be nice, but we are near a final state...perhaps a waste of time at the moment to translate that?
11:54:02 <pchampin> ... the javascript can generate WebIDL
11:54:25 <pchampin> ... I can convert the API document.
11:54:32 <fsasaki> Felix: fine by me (moving to ReSpec)
11:54:40 <pchampin> tmichel: no issue with the W3C policy
11:54:54 <chris> I dont have problems with it if it does not take to much time
11:55:04 <chris> and if you can easily explain to other editors how to make edits
11:55:05 <pchampin> ... but how much work will it take?
11:55:06 <florian> +1 @ chris
11:55:24 <pchampin> wonsuk: I think one week is enough
11:55:39 <pchampin> tmichel: does it need some modification of the script?
11:56:16 <pchampin> wonsuk: I would have to modify the script, but can copy the script used by the DAP WG
11:56:32 <joakim> lets try then!
11:57:28 <pchampin> tmichel: it should be up to the editor to chose the method to use
11:57:43 <joakim> PA can you give an Action item to Wonsuk!
11:58:11 <pchampin> action wonsuk to convert the API document to html+script format
11:58:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-230 - Convert the API document to html+script format [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-04-06].
11:58:14 <chris> regardless of the way the doc is created, I have integrated some/most of the comments of Robin in a new version of the API
11:58:32 <chris> so if Wonsuk bases him on the current API document I dont see any problems from my side
11:58:49 <chris> (updated version: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html)
11:59:02 <Zakim> -Felix
12:03:04 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/
12:03:16 <joakim> opinons about the MAWG logo?
12:03:26 <chris> it's nice!
12:03:53 <florian> i like it :)
12:04:29 <florian> zakim, unmute me
12:04:29 <Zakim> florian should no longer be muted
12:04:33 <joakim> see you next week!
12:04:34 <Zakim> -wbailer
12:04:35 <Zakim> -florian
12:04:36 <Zakim> -chris
12:04:39 <Zakim> -wonsuk
12:04:45 <Zakim> -me,
12:04:49 <wonsuk> wonsuk has left #mediaann
12:04:54 <pchampin> rrs agent, draft minutes
12:05:03 <pchampin> rrsagent, make minutes public
12:05:03 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', pchampin.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
12:05:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
12:06:28 <Zakim> -pchampin
12:06:36 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:06:37 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
12:06:39 <Zakim> Attendees were +0329331aaaa, Felix, +46.1.07.17.aabb, +43.316.876.aacc, wbailer, chris, me,, pchampin, florian, Thierry, wonsuk
12:06:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
14:04:37 <tmichel> tmichel has joined #mediaann
14:30:29 <Zakim> Zakim has left #mediaann