14:14:35 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 14:14:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-aapi-irc 14:14:51 zakim, this will be aapi 14:14:51 ok, Andi, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM already started 14:15:00 rrsagent, make logs public 14:15:09 rrsagent, make log world 14:15:17 Scribe: Andi 14:15:25 Meeting: AAPI 14:15:34 Chair: Cynthia 14:34:52 topic: bug 7101 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7101 14:36:57 DB: aria-owns created so that complex grids could be supported which need to be able to specify more than one parent. 14:37:07 action: Cynthia to look at how complex grids work in IE. It may have another way of handling the issue of multiple parents. 14:37:17 DB: Another option is to deprecate aria-owns but it's already deployed in widget sets. Existing implementations could be made to work like aria-controls or aria-flowto. 14:37:27 action: Cynthia and David to follow up via e-mail and include Rich. 14:37:37 action: Cynthia to check with IE team to see if they would be opposed to removing aria-owns. 14:37:48 DB: Is there another way aria-owns could be exposed via MSAA and UIA? Cynthia doesn't think UIA has anything that is like relationships but will check again. 14:38:03 DB: AT's could use the DOM but we want to discourage that. They should be using the APIs. 14:38:41 CS: these scenarios don't occur very often 14:40:17 so a remaining subtlety is how to word what to do with aria-owns when 14:40:20 will just live with differing implementations 14:40:36 cyns has joined #aapi 14:40:41 the application supports only API that doesn't have support for relationships 14:40:55 vs ones that support both for e.g. MSAA+IA2 14:40:58 once we merge change the columns, there will be a separate column for IAccessible2 with MSAA implementations so there won't be an issue 14:41:02 application == browser 14:41:30 so in FF we want to do what the MSAA col has, plus the IA2 col 14:41:49 but in this case we wouldn't want to do the MSAA way for aria-owns as written 14:42:54 CS: for HTML, there is a similar table being written that will have an MSAA-only column 14:43:06 CS: it will just have a lot of things that don't get mapped. 14:43:46 CS: thinks the merged columns make sense for ARIA, just may be confusing because the HTML table will be different 14:45:12 CS: keep MSAA-only column, and have MSAA plus UIA Express, and IAccessible2 plus MSAA column 14:47:13 CS: different idea - in MSAA column, "if MSAA-only, modify the tree. If MSAA plus an API that supports relationships, don't modify the tree" 14:47:57 forget the previously recorded actions on this topic and just do this fix 14:50:57 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/ 14:53:53 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9363 14:58:33 -[Mozilla] 14:58:34 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 14:58:36 -Cynthia_Shelly 14:58:36 WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended 14:58:37 Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, [Mozilla] 15:02:22 topics for next week - discuss section 5 now that we have answers to many of our questions. 15:03:19 rrsagent, make minutes 15:03:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-aapi-minutes.html Andi 15:10:00 zakim, bye 15:10:00 Zakim has left #aapi 15:10:13 rrsagent, bye 15:10:13 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-aapi-actions.rdf : 15:10:13 ACTION: Cynthia to look at how complex grids work in IE. It may have another way of handling the issue of multiple parents. [1] 15:10:13 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-aapi-irc#T14-37-07 15:10:13 ACTION: Cynthia and David to follow up via e-mail and include Rich. [2] 15:10:13 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-aapi-irc#T14-37-27 15:10:13 ACTION: Cynthia to check with IE team to see if they would be opposed to removing aria-owns. [3] 15:10:13 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-aapi-irc#T14-37-37