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19:00:16 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
19:00:16 <trackbot> Date: 29 March 2010
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19:00:54 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:01:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
19:01:31 <ed> Zakim, ??P1 is me
19:01:31 <Zakim> I already had ??P1 as PGrosso, ed
19:02:36 <Zakim> +Shepazu
19:15:15 <shepazu> scribenick: shepazu 
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19:15:38 <shepazu> Topic: telcon attendance
19:16:12 <shepazu> shepazu: it's quite late and we still don't have a quorum
19:16:35 <shepazu> ... is there some way we can get people to join on time and more regularly
19:16:57 <shepazu> ed: we could start using the good/bad standing rules
19:17:28 <shepazu> ... but I don't want to alienate people
19:18:11 <shepazu> shepazu: in OASIS, if you don't show up for 2 telcons in a row, you lose voting rights, and only regain them if you show up for 2 telcons in a row again
19:24:19 <shepazu> shepazu: maybe splitting the telcons into an SVG 1.1 telcon and an SVG 2.0 telcon would help excite folks
19:24:32 <shepazu> ed: any progress on SVG 2.0?
19:24:47 <shepazu> shepazu: yes, uploading first draft right now, will be done for Thursday
19:25:14 <patrickd> scribe name : patrickd 
19:25:33 <shepazu> scribenick : patrickd
19:25:44 <shepazu> scribenick: patrickd
19:25:59 <patrickd> topic: SVG 2.0
19:26:27 <patrickd> ed: We will start talking about SVG 2.0 on Thursday
19:26:46 <patrickd> shepazu: One of the first substantive things I will do is the xhlik/href in the 2.0 spec
19:26:54 <patrickd> patrickd: What about focussable/tabIndex?
19:28:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
19:28:08 <patrickd> shepazu: tabFocus - is actually is much more useful than tabIndex; tabFocus can take an IRI for next/previous
19:28:19 <patrickd> shepazu: vs focussable equals true
19:28:31 <ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/interact.html#navigation
19:28:34 <patrickd> patrickd: But how does work with XHTML/HTML?
19:28:49 <anthony> Zakim, [IPcaller is me
19:28:49 <Zakim> sorry, anthony, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller'
19:28:56 <patrickd> shepazu: we could propose that HTML adopts those?
19:29:01 <ed> so, not tabfocus, but focusable + nav-* attributes
19:29:10 <anthony> Zakim, [IP is me
19:29:10 <Zakim> sorry, anthony, I do not recognize a party named '[IP'
19:29:16 <patrickd> patrickd: But they won't depricate tabIndex
19:29:30 <patrickd> shepazu: So we do need to define how tabIndex works in SVG
19:30:14 <anthony> Zakim, ??[IPcaller is me
19:30:14 <Zakim> sorry, anthony, I do not recognize a party named '??[IPcaller'
19:30:20 <patrickd> ed: Everything that tabIndex can do nav-* and focussable
19:30:39 <patrickd> ed: But if you specify tabIndex=-1, that doesn't currently map
19:30:59 <patrickd> ed: Might be possible to define it terms of these attibutes and properties that we have already
19:31:23 <patrickd> shepazu: The question beceomes 'what if you have both tabIndex and focussable'; who the conflict
19:31:27 <anthony> Zakim, +[IPcaller.a] is me
19:31:27 <Zakim> sorry, anthony, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.a]'
19:32:32 <patrickd> shepazu: So we should just add tabIndex; then we need to specify how tabIndex values correspond to our other focussable attributes and how they interact
19:33:08 <patrickd> shepazu: We should give serious consideration to what happens if the SVG focus properties are used in HTML; need to coordinate with HTML WG
19:36:37 <patrickd> action: Ed to contact the participants of the SVG WG and communicate that we need to concrete progress on 1.1 2nd edition and 2.0. This reqiures active participation in the list and telecon
19:36:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2747 - Contact the participants of the SVG WG and communicate that we need to concrete progress on 1.1 2nd edition and 2.0. This reqiures active participation in the list and telecon [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-04-05].
19:37:46 <patrickd> anthony: Consider changing time of the telecons as well
19:37:50 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Mar/0059.html
19:40:03 <patrickd> shepazu: Let's have a poll on what time works
19:40:40 <ed> http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/
19:49:49 <patrickd> ed: topc: planning face-to-face meeting
19:50:48 <patrickd> patrickd: Current dates are March 24-26th and May 31th-June 1st
19:50:57 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Meetings#Upcoming_F2Fs
19:51:08 <patrickd> patrickd: I have the Brussels EBC (executve briefing center) on 25th, 26th and 31st
19:51:31 <patrickd> anthony: For the 24th (which is a holiday) and for June 1st I am renting a boardroom at a local hotel
19:52:01 <patrickd> patrickd: Also looking into getting another office at Brussles, Microsoft
19:52:20 <ed> s/anthony/patrickd/
19:53:19 <patrickd> patrickd: That should read May 24-26th
19:55:03 <shepazu> action: shepazu to create WBS poll/f2f logistics meeting page for Brussels meeting
19:55:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2748 - Create WBS poll/f2f logistics meeting page for Brussels meeting [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-04-05].
19:55:29 <patrickd> shepazu: Should contact the LGM folks as well
19:55:40 <patrickd> ed: Let folks know about hotel for boardroom
19:56:58 <patrickd> ed: topic: I18N tests
19:57:29 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Mar/0045.html
19:57:40 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/
19:57:55 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/svg/test-direction-unicode-bidi-0
19:58:04 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/svg/test-direction-alignment-0
19:58:24 <patrickd> shepazu: Richard would like us to include these in our test suites
19:59:18 <patrickd> shepazu: We should tell him we will review the tests and that we accept the tests in theory
19:59:31 <patrickd> shepazu: We will get back to him on any proposed change/clarifications
20:02:05 <patrickd> shepazu: It would be easier to review than recreate; it is a better approach for us
20:02:26 <patrickd> patrickd: My recommendation was for Richard to consolidate them, not us
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20:05:01 <patrickd> shepazu: There are two reasons why we don't do conformance tests. There are legal implications. Also, we don't do conformance testing because we do not do enough tests
20:05:12 <patrickd> shepazu: We are testing the implementability of the speciifcation
20:05:32 <patrickd> patrickd: I disagree. We are testing the implementability of portoins of the specification
20:05:55 <patrickd> shepazu: Other groups do not have conformance tests
20:06:55 <patrickd> shepazu: We are only testing certain features of the specification.  There are 3 classes: implementation test suite (can the spec be implement), conformance (interoperability)
20:07:20 <patrickd> shepazu: The more tests we have, the better off we are
20:08:51 <patrickd> patrickd: If we drop in 72 International tests, then this wlll make up about 25% of our implementation
20:09:21 <patrickd> ed: Does make sense to have a lot of text tests, but having them only for I18N doesn't seem appropriate
20:10:22 <patrickd> shepazu: How many are internationallzation and how many are just text tests?  If they could be generalized as text tests, perhaps we could look more closely at picking these up.
20:10:54 <patrickd> patrickd: How many are currently text tests?
20:11:06 <patrickd> shepazu: The 29X are additional tests
20:11:15 <patrickd> ed: We have 48 text tests.  
20:11:53 <patrickd> patrickd: If we had 120 text tests on SVG out of a total 500, we are testing about 25% of graphics as text
20:12:33 <ed> 48 tests in SVG 1.1F2 based on 'ls *text*.svg | wc -l'
20:14:41 <patrickd> shepazu: We want many more SVG tests as possible.  In SVG 2.0, we would put all of these tests in SVG.
20:15:46 <patrickd> patrickd: What is the window that we have to submit those tests
20:16:55 <patrickd> shepazu: We will continue to work on 1.1 2nd editoin tests and SVG 2.0 tests in parellel.
20:23:22 <patrickd> action:shepazu Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the method by which we will adopt them
20:23:47 <patrickd> action:shepazu To Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the method by which we will adopt them
20:24:05 <shepazu> action: shepazu to Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the method by which we will adopt them
20:24:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2749 - Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the method by which we will adopt them [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-04-05].
20:24:40 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JanMar/0100.html
20:24:42 <patrickd> ed: topic: PServer-grads 20b
20:25:32 <patrickd> ed: Should this be approved?
20:26:48 <patrickd> ed: No disagreement. So Anthony will mark as accepted.
20:27:01 <patrickd> patrickd: What's the status with the 31 Microsoft submitted
20:27:14 <patrickd> shepazu: We will talk about those on Monday
20:28:17 <patrickd> shepazu: We should add to the wiki page todo 
20:28:58 <patrickd> action: patrickd to add additional tests suites to wiki page
20:28:58 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - patrickd
20:29:13 <patrickd> action: patrick to add additional tests suites to wiki page
20:29:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2750 - Add additional tests suites to wiki page [on Patrick Dengler - due 2010-04-05].
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20:33:17 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
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20:33:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], [IPcaller], Shepazu
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20:33:19 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-actions.rdf :
20:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ed to contact the participants of the SVG WG and communicate that we need to concrete progress on 1.1 2nd edition and 2.0. This reqiures active participation in the list and telecon [1]
20:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc#T19-36-37
20:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to create WBS poll/f2f logistics meeting page for Brussels meeting [2]
20:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc#T19-55-03
20:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the method by which we will adopt them [3]
20:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc#T20-23-22
20:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu To Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the method by which we will adopt them [4]
20:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc#T20-23-47
20:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the method by which we will adopt them [5]
20:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc#T20-24-05
20:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: patrickd to add additional tests suites to wiki page [6]
20:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc#T20-28-58
20:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: patrick to add additional tests suites to wiki page [7]
20:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc#T20-29-13