19:52:16 RRSAgent has joined #au 19:52:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-irc 19:52:21 Zakim, this will be AUWG 19:52:21 ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago 19:52:25 Meeting: WAI AU 19:52:31 Chair: Jan Richards 19:52:53 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JanMar/0148.html 19:53:40 Regrets: Andrew R., SueAnn N., Tim B., Jutta T. (for last half) 19:59:25 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 19:59:32 +Jeanne 19:59:46 jeanne has joined #au 20:00:15 +??P2 20:01:35 zakim, ??P2 is really Jan 20:01:35 +Jan; got it 20:02:31 + +3aaaa 20:03:05 - +3aaaa 20:06:05 +[IPcaller] 20:06:47 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jutta 20:06:47 +Jutta; got it 20:07:31 + +3aabb 20:07:55 zakim, 3aabb is really Greg 20:07:55 sorry, Jan, I do not recognize a party named '3aabb' 20:08:00 zakim, aabb is really Greg 20:08:00 +Greg; got it 20:10:01 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JanMar/0148.html 20:10:16 Scribe: jeanne 20:10:38 Topic: B.2.1.1 Decision Support 20:10:56 Amended version: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JanMar/0147.html 20:11:15 -Jeanne 20:11:27 +Jeanne 20:12:37 JR: Not could be dropped 20:14:42 JR: I saw an example of this today in Open Office where I wanted to create a pdf, and I didn't know which one to use. Tagged pdf was an option, but I didn't know that it was the most accessible version. 20:15:15 Jeanne: Doesn't like phrase "excluded web content tech" 20:15:30 JR: Better wording? 20:16:15 Greg: Something like fully support, partial support.... 20:16:22 GP: "fully supported" or partially supported. 20:17:11 ... the example of producing video captions. One might be accessible for web, but a different option would be needed for DVD and the accessible option (for web) wouldn't work. 20:17:41 JR: The problem is that "partially" goes down to 1%. 20:18:19 JT: "Supported"...no.... 20:18:46 Jeanne: "Accessibility Supported" became so complex... 20:20:03 Gre: Fully inclusive, partially inclusive, non-inclusive,.... 20:21:09 JT: OK with normative concept for amended: B.2.1.1 Decision Support 20:22:19 All: Agree on this for 2nd sentence "The success criterion makes no assumption about the 20:22:21 accessibility or inaccessibility of any particular web content 20:22:23 everyone is ok with dropping "absolutely" from the second paragraph 20:22:23 technologies, because any technology can be made accessible. For 20:22:25 example, a technology with no intrinsic accessibility features can be 20:22:26 made accessible in conjunction with another technology (e.g., bitmap 20:22:28 images may be made more accessible via HTML text labels)." 20:23:02 3rd sentence of the example - While there is 20:23:02 nothing intrinsically "inaccessible" about any of the video formats, 20:23:02 when the option to save is presented, 20:24:06 change "any of the" -> "these" 20:24:16 All: Agree to "A video authoring tool allows authors to save into several video file 20:24:18 formats. However, the authoring tool includes a built-in closed-caption 20:24:20 editor that only works with one of the file formats. While there is 20:24:21 nothing intrinsically "inaccessible" about any of these video formats, 20:24:23 when the option to save is presented, the formats that are not supported 20:24:24 by the authoring tool's own closed-caption editor include warnings that 20:24:26 caption support is not provided. In the warning's explanation, the video 20:24:28 format that is supported by the closed-caption editor is identified." 20:25:05 JS: I think these are editorial changes. No meaning changes 20:25:25 Action: JR to add these changes to Intent and Examples to the doc - call for objections by others not on call 20:25:25 Created ACTION-267 - Add these changes to Intent and Examples to the doc - call for objections by others not on call [on Jan Richards - due 2010-04-05]. 20:26:12 Resolution: OK with new intent and examples at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JanMar/0135.html 20:29:52 -Jutta 20:30:39 Resolution: OK to use new intent and examples: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JanMar/0136.html except use "summary" instead of "high-level" and "specific" instead of "low-level" 20:31:49 Action: JR to add these changes (B.2.1.1) Intent and Examples to the doc - call for objections by others not on call 20:31:49 Created ACTION-268 - Add these changes (B.2.1.1) Intent and Examples to the doc - call for objections by others not on call [on Jan Richards - due 2010-04-05]. 20:35:05 JR: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JanMar/0147.html 20:36:30 Action JR: Add a couiple sentences saying it is ok to pare down list for (b) in B.2.1.1 Decision Support 20:36:30 Created ACTION-269 - Add a couiple sentences saying it is ok to pare down list for (b) in B.2.1.1 Decision Support [on Jan Richards - due 2010-04-05]. 20:40:05 If the authoring tool provides a choice of different technologies for accomplishing a task desired by the author, the tool provides guidance or advice which technology will provide the most accessible outcome. 20:41:27 If the authoring tool provides a choice of different methods for accomplishing a task desired by the author, the tool provides guidance or advice which choice will provide the most accessible outcome. 20:42:42 If the authoring tool provides a choice of different methods for accomplishing a task desired by the author, the tool provides guidance or advice which choice will provide the most accessible outcome based on the abilities and features of the authoring tool. 20:48:08 Greg: Covered/Not Covered 20:48:17 JR: I could see covered 20:50:02 IF an authoring tool is capable of creating an array of formats, the tool provides BOTH: 20:52:48 IF an authoring tool is capable of creating an array of formats, and the format the author chooses does not have th capability of being made accessible, then the tool provides BOTH: 20:53:07 GP: An example of a TIFF document. 20:53:26 JR: Would you give the warning before or after the choice? 20:53:39 GP: A warning dialog box? 20:54:38 ... I could live with once a user has made a decision, warning him that it was not the most accessible choice. 20:55:16 Decision Support: If the authoring tool provides the option of 20:55:18 producing a web content technology for publishing that the authoring 20:55:19 tool does provide accessiblity authoring support for, then both 20:55:21 of the following are true (Level A): 20:55:45 Decision Support: If the authoring tool provides the option of producing a web content technology for publishing that the authoring tool does NOT provide accessiblity authoring support for, then both of the following are true (Level A): 20:57:02 JR, Jeanne, and Greg agree on "provides accessiblity authoring support" vs. "does not provide accessiblity authoring support" 20:58:25 "provides support for authoring accessbile content" 20:59:12 Provides support for the production of accessible content 20:59:43 Provides support for the production of accessible content VS. Does not provide support for the production of accessible content 20:59:57 Resolution: Use Provides support for the production of accessible content VS. Does not provide support for the production of accessible content 21:00:12 Action: Reword the proposal using "Use Provides support for the production of accessible content VS. Does not provide support for the production of accessible content" 21:00:12 Sorry, couldn't find user - Reword 21:00:17 Action: JR Reword the proposal using "Use Provides support for the production of accessible content VS. Does not provide support for the production of accessible content" 21:00:17 Created ACTION-270 - Reword the proposal using "Use Provides support for the production of accessible content VS. Does not provide support for the production of accessible content" [on Jan Richards - due 2010-04-05]. 21:03:08 -Jan 21:03:17 -Jeanne 21:03:20 -Greg 21:03:21 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended 21:03:23 Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, +3aaaa, Jutta, +3aabb, Greg 21:03:31 RRSAgent, make minutes 21:03:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-minutes.html Jan 21:03:37 RRSAgent, set logs public 21:03:42 Zakim, bye 21:03:42 Zakim has left #au 21:03:46 RRSAgent, bye 21:03:46 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-actions.rdf : 21:03:46 ACTION: JR to add these changes to Intent and Examples to the doc - call for objections by others not on call [1] 21:03:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-irc#T20-25-25 21:03:46 ACTION: JR to add these changes (B.2.1.1) Intent and Examples to the doc - call for objections by others not on call [2] 21:03:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-irc#T20-31-49 21:03:46 ACTION: JR to Add a couiple sentences saying it is ok to pare down list for (b) in B.2.1.1 Decision Support [3] 21:03:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-irc#T20-36-30 21:03:46 ACTION: Reword the proposal using "Use Provides support for the production of accessible content VS. Does not provide support for the production of accessible content" [4] 21:03:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-irc#T21-00-12 21:03:46 ACTION: JR Reword the proposal using "Use Provides support for the production of accessible content VS. Does not provide support for the production of accessible content" [5] 21:03:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-au-irc#T21-00-17