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14:46:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
14:46:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
14:46:30 <trackbot> Date: 19 March 2010
14:46:38 <Yolanda> Meeting: prov-xg
14:46:47 <Yolanda> chair: Yolanda Gil
14:48:49 <Yolanda> zakim, who is here?
14:48:49 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has not yet started, Yolanda
14:48:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Yolanda, trackbot
14:49:24 <Yolanda> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Mar/0011.html
14:49:37 <Yolanda> zakim, save agenda
14:49:37 <Zakim> the agenda has not been entered yet, Yolanda
14:49:46 <Yolanda> zakim, who is here?
14:49:46 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has not yet started, Yolanda
14:49:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Yolanda, trackbot
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15:03:52 <jun> zakim, mute me
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15:05:05 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Requirements_Clean
15:05:12 <Yolanda> Scribe: SamCoppens
15:05:32 <Yolanda> ScribeNick: SamCoppens
15:05:37 <Yolanda> zakim, save agenda
15:05:37 <Zakim> the agenda has not been entered yet, Yolanda
15:06:10 <Yolanda> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Mar/0011.html
15:06:27 <SamCoppens> General Outline: Take user requirements and condense them along the prov dimension, collected in three major use cases.
15:06:31 <Zakim> +Lalana
15:06:44 <Yolanda> * thanks very much, Sam!
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15:07:00 <SamCoppens> First use case: News Aggregator
15:11:07 <jcheney> http://wikis.nesc.ac.uk/escienvoy/Data-Intensive_Research:_how_should_we_improve_our_ability_to_use_data
15:12:58 <SamCoppens> Question: merge the use cases?
15:14:01 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: merge into one use case, it is easier to diggest the information.
15:14:01 <jfreire2> What I like about the Biomedical Example is that it raises the issue of combining workflow provenance with provenance from data on the Web
15:15:17 <Christine> And we could also add other issues e.g. privacy to an epidemiological use case 
15:17:18 <jfreire2> On the other hand, the fact that the Public Policy one deals with surveys and other data that is manually gathered raises the very interesting issue of incomplete provenance and missing information.
15:18:26 <SamCoppens> Second use case: Evidence for scientific results
15:18:27 <Paolo> good mix, Paul
15:18:50 <SamCoppens> Third use case: Engineering contract scenario
15:20:04 <SamCoppens> All prov dimensions are covered but not all by the use cases
15:22:11 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: missing dimensions can be included in third one
15:24:59 <pgroth> 1. use of the provenance information
15:25:15 <SamCoppens> Question: Which are the key requirements and how to document them
15:25:16 <pgroth> 2. content of the provenance information
15:25:37 <pgroth> 3. management provenance information 
15:26:01 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: three key requirements for use cases as mentioned above
15:27:17 <SamCoppens> Jim will add the missing dimensions and send out an email for feedback
15:29:52 <SamCoppens> Comments Yolanda: usefull to have linked data issues highlighted more
15:31:03 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: original list of user requirements must be extended 
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15:32:01 <SamCoppens> In total 15 requirements are not covered
15:32:31 <SamCoppens> Jim: Linked Data --> be carefull not to be too technical
15:36:56 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: bring in more the flavour of the linked data in the use cases
15:39:33 <Paolo> yes that's reasonable to me...
15:40:46 <SamCoppens> ACTION: JIM to review use cases by next week and republish the use cases so other can give feedback
15:40:46 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - JIM
15:41:10 <SamCoppens> More feedback is expected from the new group members.
15:43:46 <SamCoppens> Next agenda topic: Update on provenance for data.gov.uk
15:45:50 <pgroth> +q
15:46:01 <Yolanda> ack pgroth
15:47:31 <Luc> q+
15:47:31 <SamCoppens> Paul: how do  you relate OPM to data.gov.uk
15:47:50 <Yolanda> ack Luc
15:47:56 <SamCoppens> Jun: It gives a more practical implementation of OPM
15:48:38 <SamCoppens> Luc: OPM mostly used by OPM designers. Good to see it be taken up
15:49:17 <pgroth> could this help us connect to the semweb community more?
15:50:39 <SamCoppens> Jun: relation OPM and prov vocabulary
15:51:21 <SamCoppens> Jun: helpfull on how to move foreward.
15:52:08 <pgroth> wow
15:53:01 <SamCoppens> Jun: at the end of March first solutions will be published
15:53:53 <SamCoppens> Third Agenda Topic: Update on paper for RDF next steps workshop
15:54:22 <SamCoppens> Satya: We have detected 5 issues which should be discussed
15:54:25 <pgroth> satya, will circulate this?
15:54:31 <pgroth> will you circulate it?
15:54:55 <Yolanda> there is no draft yet Paul
15:55:15 <Yolanda> we only have an outline
15:55:31 <SamCoppens> Satya: First point: Named Graphs should be included in RDF specs?
15:55:35 <pgroth> +1
15:56:13 <SamCoppens> Second: no vocab for rdf graph versioning
15:56:34 <SamCoppens> Third: adding vocab adding temp correlation
15:57:11 <Paolo> q+
15:57:50 <pgroth> +1 for transitive closures
15:57:54 <SamCoppens> fourth: no mechanism which triples are used for the creation of new triples
15:58:26 <SamCoppens> Fifth: SPARQL does not include transitive closure
15:58:30 <Paolo> q+
15:58:59 <jcheney> q+
15:59:45 <SamCoppens> Paolo: fourth req (entailment), reasoning problem instead of rdf problem
15:59:48 <Paolo> q-
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16:01:29 <lkagal> I think including named graphs or quoting into RDF will provide this ability of marking inferred triples with their rules & premises 
16:02:59 <Zakim> -Yolanda
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16:03:29 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has ended
16:03:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Yolanda, SamCoppens, pgroth, michaelp, +1.619.524.aacc, +1.937.775.aaee, jcheney, Luc, +1.801.712.aaff, Lalana, +49.302.093.aagg
16:04:33 <Yolanda> rrsagent, set log public
16:04:42 <Yolanda> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/19-prov-xg-minutes.html Yolanda
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16:05:41 <Yolanda> trackbot, end telcon
16:05:41 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:05:41 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:05:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:05:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/19-prov-xg-minutes.html trackbot
16:05:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:05:43 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/19-prov-xg-actions.rdf :
16:05:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JIM to review use cases by next week and republish the use cases so other can give feedback [1]
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