16:04:11 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdb2rdf
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16:04:38 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:04:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.603.897.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.512.471.aabb, Souri_Das, +043316876aadd, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.781.273.aaee
16:04:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, li_ma, whalb, Seema, juansequeda, MacTed, LeeF, nunolopes, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
16:04:52 <cygri> cygri has joined #rdb2rdf
16:05:06 <MacTed> Zakim, aaee is OpenLink_Software
16:05:06 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:05:06 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:05:06 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
16:05:08 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:05:08 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:05:10 <Zakim> + +03539149aaff
16:05:34 <nunolopes> Zakim, aaff is nunolopes
16:05:34 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
16:05:45 <whalb> zakim, aadd is whalb
16:05:46 <Zakim> +whalb; got it
16:06:04 <Seema> Zakim, aaaa is Seema
16:06:04 <Zakim> +Seema; got it
16:06:09 <nunolopes> Zakim, cygri is with nunolopes
16:06:09 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:06:14 <Ashok> Ashok has joined #rdb2rdf
16:06:35 <Ashok> scribenick:juansequeda
16:06:38 <MacTed> trackbot is failing to start the meeting ... but RRSAgent and Zakim are now here and seem to know what's going on
16:06:54 <Ashok> zakim, this is rdb2rdf
16:06:54 <Zakim> Ashok, this was already SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
16:06:55 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
16:09:37 <Ashok> present:+ souri, juan, dan_miranker, seema, richard, nuno, wolfgang, ashok
16:09:46 <Ashok> chair: Ashok
16:10:04 <Ashok> present+ LiMa
16:10:48 <Ashok> Approve minutes at  http://www.w3.org/2010/03/09-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
16:10:52 <whalb> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:10:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html whalb
16:11:33 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
16:11:44 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (25%), [IPcaller] (25%), Souri_Das (40%)
16:11:46 <Ashok> resolution:  minutes from 3/9 approved
16:12:35 <MacTed> Zakim, mute Souri_Das
16:12:35 <Zakim> Souri_Das should now be muted
16:13:04 <juansequeda> Update on usecases
16:13:40 <juansequeda> Juan is making progress on the RNA usecase in order to present it as previous usecases in w3c documents
16:16:06 <juansequeda> Discussion on the semantics of the language, per the email thread of this weak
16:17:10 <juansequeda> cygri: if we stick to the semantics of standard sparql, it shouldn't be that complicated
16:18:24 <juansequeda> ... we must come up with a list of things that must be possible (string concatenation)  
16:18:25 <Ashok> Ricard:  Value transfiormation functions in SPARQL are very important
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16:19:27 <juansequeda> Ashok: do you think the mapping language will be overly expressive ?
16:20:00 <Ashok> s/think/worry/
16:20:02 <juansequeda> cygri: the expressivity should be along SQL
16:21:32 <juansequeda> ... if the mapping language is a bunch of view definitions, then it is reasonable and we have to understand that different implementation would restrict what can be added
16:21:38 <juansequeda> ... but this won't affect the language
16:22:41 <Zakim> -Souri_Das
16:22:53 <juansequeda> ACTION: cygri to send mail to the wg regarding expressivity of the language
16:22:53 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - cygri
16:23:11 <cygri> rcygania2
16:23:16 <juansequeda> ACTION: rcygania2 to send mail to the wg regarding expressivity of the language
16:23:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Send mail to the wg regarding expressivity of the language [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2010-03-23].
16:26:02 <juansequeda> Seema: we updated the page http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/RDB-to-RDF_mapping:_A_SQL-based_Approach
16:26:02 <juansequeda> ... we are expecting feedback from the group. 
16:26:02 <juansequeda> ... and hopefully we can organize a telcon this week
16:26:40 <juansequeda> There isn't anybody from the RDF mapping group to tell us what is going on
16:27:44 <juansequeda> cygri: about the usecases, there are some things that I think that they should be included, but they are low level.
16:27:50 <juansequeda> ... it is about specific transformations
16:28:27 <juansequeda> ... we have an email in a RDB and we need to expose this as a hash, a common thing to do in RDF
16:28:42 <juansequeda> ... I have a list of all these small things
16:29:08 <juansequeda> Ashok: this looks like requirements instead of usecases
16:29:48 <juansequeda> .. and this usually goes on a requirements document
16:29:54 <juansequeda> ... is there a wiki page for this already?
16:30:49 <juansequeda> ... there is already a requirement/ddl wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Requirements/DDLCoverage
16:30:58 <Ashok> Requirements wiki: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Requirements/DDLCoverage
16:31:29 <juansequeda> cygri: in the sparql wg, they had a use case and requirement document
16:31:39 <juansequeda> ... the requirements were connected to the use cases
16:32:33 <juansequeda> Ashok: cygri, can you please look at the existing requirement wiki page and see if you can fix this up or make a new one
16:33:00 <Zakim> -MacTed
16:33:04 <cygri> juansequeda, can you give me an action for this?
16:33:04 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:33:05 <Zakim> - +1.512.471.aabb
16:33:07 <Zakim> -Seema
16:33:07 <Zakim> -whalb
16:33:08 <Zakim> -nunolopes
16:33:15 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
16:33:24 <Ashok> rrsagent, create minutes
16:33:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html Ashok
16:33:43 <juansequeda> ACTION: rcygania2 to create or reorganize the requirement wiki page
16:33:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Create or reorganize the requirement wiki page [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2010-03-23].
16:33:50 <juansequeda> cygri, done
16:34:05 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
16:34:15 <Ashok> rrsagent, create minutes
16:34:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html Ashok
16:35:26 <Ashok> trackbot, end meeting
16:35:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:35:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.603.897.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.512.471.aabb, +043316876aacc, Souri_Das, +043316876aadd, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.781.273.aaee, MacTed,
16:35:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:35:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
16:35:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:35:28 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
16:35:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cygri to send mail to the wg regarding expressivity of the language [1]
16:35:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-22-53
16:35:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: rcygania2 to send mail to the wg regarding expressivity of the language [2]
16:35:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-23-16
16:35:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: rcygania2 to create or reorganize the requirement wiki page [3]
16:35:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/16-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-33-43
16:35:30 <Zakim> ... +03539149aaff, nunolopes, whalb, Seema, cygri