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13:48:53 <Andrew> Meeting: WAI-AGE task force
13:49:16 <Andrew> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-age/2010JanMar/0034.html
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14:26:59 <darren> scribe: Darren
14:28:28 <darren> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-age/2010JanMar/0034.html
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14:28:44 <Zakim> + +7.902.aaaa
14:28:48 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:28:48 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:28:50 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:29:32 <Andrew> zakim, aaaa is Andrew
14:29:32 <Zakim> +Andrew; got it
14:31:55 <Andrew> topic: Web Accessibility Training - Training Examples
14:32:30 <Zakim> + +46.2.71.7.aabb
14:33:45 <Andrew> zakim, aabb is William
14:33:45 <Zakim> +William; got it
14:37:51 <darren> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/training/2009/scenarios.html#eg5outline
14:38:01 <darren> Darren:  Day 1 is quite action packed
14:39:13 <darren> Shadi: Would mention mobile Web early on and relate that to accessibility issues to make them more relevant to developers.
14:41:04 <darren> ... Can Inform About column be the actual topic? eg "Introduce Accessibility" which would then link back to the topic.  The outline would then be described as text without further links in short bullets
14:44:57 <darren> ... idea would be to use the topics to create a training outline yourself rather than recreate the topics
14:46:51 <darren> William: Presenting to an audience of a certain level so trainers will have to tailor the topics to the audience's needs.
14:47:33 <darren> Shadi:  Agrees with William.  Current approach is very fixed to one audience.  need to allow more flexibility
14:48:40 <darren> ... Learning objectives are daunting and should be reduced.  No more than 3 or 4 learning objectives.  We currently have more of an outline than learning objectives
14:51:09 <darren> ... learning objectives are too fine grained for this setting
14:51:14 <darren> William:  Agrees
14:51:18 <darren> Andrew:  Agrees
14:51:28 <darren> Darren:  Agrees
14:51:54 <Andrew> action: EG5 learning objectives - move them up a level (currently too fine grained)
14:53:45 <darren> Andrew:  More like Day 2 "Implementing WCAG 2.0" where the level of detail is not as great
14:56:01 <darren> Shadi:  What we're trying to say is that you can use topics to build a training programme.  The examples should show instances of taking those topics and piecing them together.  Current format is not clear how these topics were used.
14:57:07 <darren> ... Also need to be careful linking.  Some links are useful and some aren't so useful in the outline
14:59:28 <darren> ... Use action words and bullets in outline eg Revise; Demonstrate; Describe; etc
15:00:10 <darren> Andrew:  Merge the cells for each subtopic and have a suggested time for each topic as a whole, giving the presenter more flexibility
15:00:56 <darren> ... but the multi-day outline should be treated differently from the short presentations as we're providing so much material
15:01:48 <darren> Shadi:  Might be useful to develop an agenda and build the training sessions around that.
15:02:20 <darren> Andrew:  The "Inform About" column was a pass at an agenda
15:02:50 <darren> William:  How many people will be using this to conduct the 3 day training?
15:03:29 <darren> Andrew:  Been given feedback that multi-day training is common.
15:04:49 <darren> Shadi:  Seen a hunger from people throughout the world who want to provide training but not sure how to give it
15:10:29 <darren> Andrew:  Look at http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/training/2009/scenarios.html#s2
15:10:56 <darren> Andrew: Any alternative names? Promoting doesn't seem quite right.
15:11:27 <darren> William:  Example "Gaining commitment to web accessibility;" isn't clear.
15:12:46 <darren> ... Who will be giving this talk to senior managers
15:13:15 <darren> Shadi:  usually an internal staff member who champions Web Accessibility.
15:13:56 <darren> ... "Web Accessibility Business Case"
15:18:45 <darren> William:  Should focus on the uptake of mobile devices in the business case
15:19:41 <darren> Shadi:  The outline for the business case can be done in the same style as the three day training
15:22:21 <darren> William:  The note is important
15:22:55 <darren> Shadi:  We need to look at where those notes live as they're getting lost underneath the table.  This is fine tweaking that can be done later on.
15:24:08 <darren> Topic: How People with Disabilities Use the Web
15:24:11 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/PWD-Use-Web/2009/scenarios.html
15:26:50 <darren> Shadi:  Based upon feedback the scenarios have been tweaked.  Any other comments?
15:28:01 <darren> Darren:  Prefers the phrase Journalist in Scenario 2
15:29:26 <darren> Darren:  Will the links to the previous documents be removed
15:29:36 <darren> Shadi:  yes, this is just for the review period
15:32:27 <darren> ... Technical people tend to look at the Accessibility Provisions and people from disability groups focus more on the disabilities and barriers.
15:35:42 <darren> ... the aspects of age were blended into the scenarios rather than have specific age-related scenarios.
15:36:55 <darren> William:  Thinks that this is a good idea as age effects us all.
15:39:41 <Zakim> -William
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15:40:00 <Zakim> WAI_(AGE TF)9:30AM has ended
15:40:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +7.902.aaaa, Shadi, Andrew, +46.2.71.7.aabb, William
15:40:57 <Andrew> present: Andrew, Darren, Shadi, William
15:41:19 <Andrew> regrets: Helle, Suzette, Pierre, Alan, Jack
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15:41:49 <Andrew> Chair: andrew
15:41:54 <Andrew> Chair: Andrew
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