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11:53:53 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
11:53:53 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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12:04:23 <wbailer> scribe: wbailer
12:04:26 <Zakim> +florian
12:04:39 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG telecon
12:04:45 <Zakim> + +47.24.4.aaaa
12:04:48 <wbailer> topic: previous minutes
12:04:53 <pchampin> zakim, aaaa is me
12:04:53 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
12:04:57 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/23-mediaann-minutes.html 
12:05:02 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html
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12:05:19 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
12:05:19 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
12:06:08 <wbailer> daniel did not participate on 2nd of F2F, any comments from thierry?
12:06:29 <wbailer> thierry: 2nd day was spec editing (api and ontology doc)
12:06:41 <wbailer> ... need to see minutes
12:07:00 <wbailer> daniel: 1st day was on review and cleanup of ontology and api doc
12:07:11 <wbailer> ... publication of revised versions in progress
12:07:28 <wbailer> thierry: publication later today
12:07:52 <wbailer> topic: selection of scribe for next meeting
12:08:09 <pchampin> I volunteer
12:08:13 <pchampin> for next week
12:08:21 <wbailer> florian and pchampin volunteer
12:08:48 <wbailer> daniel will be added to queue
12:08:52 <wbailer> topic: next call
12:09:01 <wbailer> next tuesday (mar 16th)
12:09:06 <wbailer> topic: next f2f
12:09:24 <wbailer> vienna, april 26-28
12:09:54 <wbailer> werner to add more info to wiki
12:10:44 <Zakim> + +82.10.58.00.aabb
12:10:44 <wbailer> dates confirmed
12:10:59 <wbailer> who plans to participate?
12:11:13 <wonsuk> zakim, +82.10.58.00.aabb is me
12:11:13 <Zakim> +wonsuk; got it
12:11:22 <tmichel> I may not be able to participate
12:11:25 <wbailer> florian: +1
12:11:59 <pchampin> Unfortunately, I will be in transit btw Ireland and France at that time...
12:12:00 <daniel> +1 for participation
12:12:08 <wonsuk> I will participate during three days
12:12:31 <Zakim> -Bennett_Marks
12:12:53 <Zakim> +Bennett_Marks
12:13:02 <bmarks> sorry phone problems
12:13:10 <bmarks> probably won't participate
12:13:37 <wbailer> thierry: switch to summer time on mar 14 in us and on mar 28 in europe
12:14:58 <wbailer> ... telecon one hour earlier in that period
12:15:02 <tmichel> therefore between  mar 14 and mar 28 the teleconferences will be *one hour earlier* 
12:15:14 <tmichel> I can't hear anything, I will call back
12:15:19 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:15:49 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:15:50 <wbailer> topic: action items
12:16:10 <tmichel>  one hour earlier for non US. (Eurpe and Asia)
12:16:37 <wbailer> action-42 continues
12:17:12 <wbailer> action-124 (felix not here)
12:17:28 <wbailer> a number of open action for david singer (postponed)
12:17:41 <wbailer> action-189 (tobias not here)
12:17:48 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me
12:17:48 <Zakim> pchampin should no longer be muted
12:18:24 <wbailer> action-208 pa read the document
12:18:49 <wbailer> ... methodology targets specs that define behaviour of an agent/client
12:19:00 <wbailer> ... not sure if it applies to us
12:19:19 <wbailer> ... targets turning natural language into testable requirements
12:19:42 <wbailer> ... our spec has a lot of info in the mapping table whcih is already quite formal
12:20:17 <wbailer> action-209 ongoing
12:20:50 <wbailer> close action-211
12:20:50 <trackbot> ACTION-211 Formulate a text regarding the client-server picture closed
12:20:57 <wbailer> action-210 (joakim not here)
12:21:12 <wbailer> action-212, 213 kept open
12:21:41 <wbailer> action-214 kept open, to be done after last call
12:21:55 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
12:21:55 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
12:22:37 <wbailer> action-215 keep open until updated
12:22:58 <wbailer> action-216...220 kept open
12:23:13 <wbailer> topic: status of ontology doc
12:23:42 <wbailer> both ontology and api doc to be published
12:24:45 <tmichel> no I am on Zakim
12:24:58 <wbailer> wonsuk: need to decide about publication of lc
12:25:12 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:25:20 <wbailer> ... proposed date: after AC meeting
12:25:37 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:26:23 <wbailer> daniel: thierry, criteria for going to last call?
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12:28:36 <wbailer> daniel: at f2f we decided to have reviews from outside the group before going to lc
12:29:00 <Zakim> +??P8
12:29:02 <wbailer> ... eg tag, webapp, mfwg
12:29:13 <tobias> ??P8 is me
12:29:29 <tobias> Zakim, ??P8 is me
12:29:29 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
12:29:34 <wbailer> thierry: one we go to lc, we must stay in lc for 4 weeks
12:29:56 <wbailer> ... should we publish before f2f in order to discuss comments
12:30:10 <wbailer> ... seems not to be possible, likely to publish after ac meeting
12:31:05 <wbailer> daniel: we can feedback when updated draft is avialable today
12:31:15 <wbailer> ... we can updated based on feedback
12:31:28 <wbailer> ... and decide in wg when we are ready to go to lc
12:32:30 <wbailer> topic: ma:location attribute
12:33:56 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me
12:33:56 <Zakim> pchampin should no longer be muted
12:34:10 <tobias> @daniel: I just wanted to mention that I will come to the F2F meeting in Vienna.
12:35:08 <wbailer> bennett: same discussion in metadata working group
12:35:33 <wbailer> ... bennett marks from nokia, involved in metadata wokring group (mwg)
12:35:56 <wbailer> ... mwg is industry consortium dealing with embedded metadata in consumer apps
12:36:16 <wbailer> ... found it important in mwg to separate location created and shown
12:36:55 <wbailer> daniel: felix send info about geolocation wg
12:37:04 <florian> s/wokring/working
12:37:20 <wbailer> bennett: mwg based on iptc notion of these properties
12:38:14 <wbailer> mail from bennett: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Mar/0008.html
12:39:09 <wbailer> bennett: most standards had to deal with this issue, and separated these notions
12:40:06 <wbailer> bennett: (1) ma:location should be location created
12:40:22 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me
12:40:22 <Zakim> pchampin was not muted, pchampin
12:40:43 <wbailer> ... (2) if we add property about content location, we might need controlled vocabulary to make it useful
12:41:28 <wbailer> pchampin: content location might be ficntional
12:41:39 <wbailer> s/ficntional/fictional/
12:42:25 <wbailer> wonsuk: agrees with bennett
12:42:44 <wbailer> ... when we decided core property, we considered how many formats supported a property
12:43:09 <wbailer> ... we should check how many formats support depicted location
12:43:25 <wbailer> bennett: supported in iptc, exif, and probably many others
12:43:41 <wbailer> ... in a number of cases the semantics were not clear 
12:44:05 <wbailer> ... even in iptc it's only clarified in the most recent revision
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12:45:45 <wbailer> pchampin: we agree that ma:location is about creation location
12:45:57 <wbailer> ... we propose content location at the moment
12:46:21 <wbailer> ... raises question if we should rename ma:location to make it semantically clearer
12:46:36 <wbailer> ... add content location as subproperty of ma:location
12:46:59 <wbailer> ... proposes to keep them separate, as creation location is well defined, while content location is more fuzzy#
12:47:16 <bmarks> +1
12:47:16 <wbailer> daniel: we need more discussion on the mailing list
12:48:06 <wbailer> action: bennett to check how many standards support content location
12:48:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Check how many standards support content location [on Bennett Marks - due 2010-03-16].
12:48:29 <wbailer> topic: syntactic mappings
12:49:05 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/MPEG7.html
12:49:14 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/SMTPD.html
12:52:17 <wbailer> action: soohong to send mail to list about adding syntactic mappings
12:52:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Send mail to list about adding syntactic mappings [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2010-03-16].
12:52:45 <wbailer> topic: status of api doc
12:53:54 <wbailer> topic: test suite
12:54:12 <wbailer> several members are working on implementations
12:54:33 <wbailer> joakim, felix, wonsuk, chris are able to contribute to test suite
12:54:48 <wbailer> daniel proposes to have small team for test suite development
12:55:07 <florian> tobias, werner and i are also working on an implementation
12:55:41 <wbailer> daniel got acknowledgements from joakim, felix, wonsuk, chris to work on initial draft of test suite document
12:57:19 <wbailer> florian would like to join, schedule on implementation depends on availability of student
12:58:07 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:59:19 <wbailer> daniel to propose team and schedule until next telecon
12:59:35 <wbailer> topic: awareness on HTML5 media multitrack API
13:02:16 <wbailer> action: daniel to check for overlap between html5 and mawg issues
13:02:16 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
13:02:26 <wbailer> action: soohong to check for overlap between html5 and mawg issues
13:02:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Check for overlap between html5 and mawg issues [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2010-03-16].
13:02:48 <pchampin> bye
13:02:50 <wbailer> [ajourned]
13:02:51 <Zakim> -Bennett_Marks
13:02:52 <Zakim> -florian
13:02:52 <Zakim> -??P2
13:02:53 <Zakim> -pchampin
13:02:54 <tobias> bye
13:02:57 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:02:57 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
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13:03:05 <wbailer> rrsagent,. draft minutes
13:03:05 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand '. draft minutes', wbailer.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:03:16 <wbailer>  rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/09-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
13:03:30 <wbailer> zakim, who is there?
13:03:30 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, wbailer.
13:03:42 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:03:43 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
13:03:44 <Zakim> Attendees were wbailer, Bennett_Marks, Thierry, florian, +47.24.4.aaaa, pchampin, wonsuk, tobias
13:04:20 <wbailer> present:  wbailer, Bennett_Marks, Thierry, florian, pchampin, wonsuk, tobias
13:04:28 <wbailer> regrets: felix
13:05:11 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/09-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
13:06:37 <wbailer> chair: daniel
13:07:16 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/09-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
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