IRC log of mediafrag on 2010-03-03
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- Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 March 2010
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- Chair: Raphael
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- Regrets: Erik, Silvia
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Mar/0003.html
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- IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
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- +raphael
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- +mhausenblas
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- Present: raphael, michael, yves, davy
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- +Yves
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- + +0329331aaaa
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- Regrets+ Jack
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- scribenick: raphael
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- scribe: Raphael
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- Topic: 1. Admin
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- PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 24 February 2009 telecon, http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html
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- ?
- 10:05:33 [mhausenblas]
- +1
- 10:05:34 [davy]
- +1
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- +1
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- Minutes accepted
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- ACTIOn-145?
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- ACTION-145 -- Raphaël Troncy to adjust the milestones in the charter -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/145
- 10:06:41 [raphael]
- close ACTION-145
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- ACTION-145 Adjust the milestones in the charter closed
- 10:06:54 [raphael]
- see the new table schedule on the group home page, http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/
- 10:07:06 [raphael]
- ACTION-119?
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- ACTION-119 -- Yves Lafon to request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing list and notifications -- due 2009-10-14 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119
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- + +81.80.614.3.aabb
- 10:08:21 [raphael]
- zakim, aabb is Conrad
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- +Conrad; got it
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- Topic: 2. F2F meeting
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- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda
- 10:09:45 [conrad]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Conrad should now be muted
- 10:10:04 [raphael]
- I'm requesting you put more items of things you would like to have been discussed
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- Topic: 3. Specification
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- ACTION-134?
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- ACTION-134 -- Erik Mannens to mark up the spec with normative and informative classes -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/134
- 10:10:57 [conrad]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Conrad should no longer be muted
- 10:11:37 [raphael]
- Propose to close it, since we marked up already what is stable and not
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- Some support from Yves
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- no objetions
- 10:11:50 [conrad]
- +1
- 10:11:54 [davy]
- +1
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- s/objetions/objections
- 10:11:56 [mhausenblas]
- +1
- 10:12:03 [raphael]
- close ACTION-134
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- ACTION-134 Mark up the spec with normative and informative classes closed
- 10:12:21 [raphael]
- ACTION-142?
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- ACTION-142 -- Raphaël Troncy to apply this change in the section 5.1.3 (jack's note) -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/142
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- close ACTION-142
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- ACTION-142 Apply this change in the section 5.1.3 (jack's note) closed
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- Topic: 4. Media URI Syntax
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- ACTION-126?
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- ACTION-126 -- Yves Lafon to follow up on error in ABFN for npt -- due 2009-12-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126
- 10:13:11 [conrad]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Conrad should now be muted
- 10:13:24 [raphael]
- Yves: it is done, both the wiki page and the document has been changed
- 10:13:49 [raphael]
- In the document, at the end, there is a consolidated annex with what we have imported
- 10:14:23 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/
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- 4.2.1.3 Wall-clock time code
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- Editorial note: Philip
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- The datetime definition should be imported from either global date and time (HTML 5) or utc-time (RFC 2326).
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- Editorial note: Yves
- 10:15:22 [Yves]
- In fact it should be a subset of ISO 8601, RFC 3339 would do. (Need WG decision)
- 10:16:07 [raphael]
- Issue: which def should we take?
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- Created ISSUE-15 - Which def should we take? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/15/edit .
- 10:16:17 [Yves]
- http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3339.txt
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- drop ISSUE-15
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- Yves: I would prefer to use the 3339 rather than the def used in HTML5 and the RTSP protocol
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- ... HTML5 have chosen the ISO def rather than the RFC definition
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- ... I think they are the same, but we should be consistent in our ref
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- Raphael: do you want a WG decision now ? We are not that many on the call
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- Yves: this is not rocket science, but should be pretty straightforward
- 10:19:46 [conrad]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Conrad should no longer be muted
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- Raphael: I would propose a 5 min discussion at the F2F meeting
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- ... in order to take a WG decision (re: section 4.2.1.3)
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- Bug at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Nov/0023.html is corrected
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- Bug at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0093.html is corrected
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- The 's' has been dropped
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- close ACTION-126
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- ACTION-126 Follow up on error in ABFN for npt closed
- 10:21:42 [raphael]
- Yves: the 's' was already optional but has been dropped
- 10:22:13 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#collected-syntax
- 10:22:36 [raphael]
- Yves: the Annex B collects all the bits of the syntax
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- ACTION-150?
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- ACTION-150 -- Erik Mannens to summarize the discussion on the quotes in a mail or on the wiki -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/150
- 10:23:32 [raphael]
- Raphael: whether we should have quotes or not for track and id will be a topic at the F2F meeting
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- Yves: using quotes seem more secure ... but it is matter of discussion
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- wwe need jack for this one
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- s/ww/w/
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- Topic: 5. Protocol
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- ACTION-123?
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- ACTION-123 -- Yves Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
- 10:24:36 [raphael]
- -- pending
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- Yves: we need some further discussion
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- ... in particular how we express the non-temporal dimension
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- ... my plan is to actually _do_ that during the F2F meeting
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- Raphael: this is another topic for the f2f
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- Topic: 6. Rendering media fragments in the UA
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- ACTION-141?
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- ACTION-141 -- Conrad Parker to add a paragraph in the section 5.2.1 that further clarify the role of the UA for rendering a media fragment -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
- 10:27:02 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/141
- 10:27:20 [raphael]
- Conrad: I will do that by f2f
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- ACTION-135?
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- ACTION-135 -- Erik Mannens to extend section 5 regarding spatial and track dimension -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135
- 10:27:56 [raphael]
- Davy: I have looked at it a little bit
- 10:28:14 [davy]
- http://www.europarl.europa.eu/wps-europarl-internet/frd/vod/player?session=last¤tSei=SEI1&language=en
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- ... look for examples
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- Davy: examples of bow text fragments can be rendered, highlighted
- 10:28:50 [davy]
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsaq6W3V1s
- 10:29:01 [raphael]
- ... I look also at the annotation tool of YouTube
- 10:30:24 [conrad]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Conrad should now be muted
- 10:30:56 [raphael]
- ... we also look at Flash development
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- ... on the F2F I will make an implementation report
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- ... perhaps with a demo
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- ... but mainly the problems we have
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- Topic: 7. Test Cases
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- ACTION-118?
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- ACTION-118 -- Michael Hausenblas to come up with individual 'normal' test cases (+/- 20) -- due 2010-03-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/118
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- close ACTIONB-118
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- close ACTION-118
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- ACTION-118 Come up with individual 'normal' test cases (+/- 20) closed
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- ACTION-147?
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- ACTION-147 -- Michael Hausenblas to add all MF WG members to corrib -- due 2010-03-05 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/147
- 10:34:33 [raphael]
- ... will be done by F2F
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- Michael: goal of the F2F is to review the TC that are in corrib
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- Other actions
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- ACTION-71?
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- ACTION-71 -- Michael Hausenblas to investigate whether he could have an implementation in Javascript that does the client-side media fragments parsing -- due 2009-10-14 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/71
- 10:37:05 [raphael]
- Davy: we mostly look at how to generate HTTP headers with js
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- ... not really on parsing media fragments
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- ... Silvia was looking at this
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- Raphael: I will ask Silvia if she wants to take this action or not at f2f
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- Topic: 8. AB
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- Raphael: is there any other business to discuss?
- 10:39:47 [raphael]
- Next gathering is in Ghent
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- Michael: will be around most of the time remotely
- 10:40:17 [raphael]
- Silvia: any slots you will 'more' here than others?
- 10:40:22 [conrad]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Conrad should no longer be muted
- 10:41:19 [silvia]
- the morning sessions, as usual
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- same for conrad
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- Raphael: we will focus deep discussion during our morning sessions
- 10:42:08 [silvia]
- thanks, much appreciated
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- -Yves
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- -mhausenblas
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- -raphael
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- -Davy
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- -Conrad
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- IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
- 10:42:33 [raphael]
- Raphael: please, all, finish all your actions BEFORE the f2f
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- Attendees were raphael, mhausenblas, Yves, +0329331aaaa, Davy, +81.80.614.3.aabb, Conrad
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- S/AB/AOB
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- s/AB/AOB
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items