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16:58:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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16:58:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:58:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
16:58:31 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:58:31 <trackbot> Date: 02 March 2010
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16:58:47 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Mar/0000.html
16:58:56 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ahmed
16:59:07 <mhausenblas> iv_an_ru: are you ready to scribe?
16:59:18 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:59:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:59:24 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, make logs public
16:59:32 <Marcelo> Marcelo has joined #rdb2rdf
16:59:38 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Seema
16:59:56 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with mhausenblas 
16:59:56 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'mhausenblas'
17:00:09 <Ahmed> Ahmed has joined #RDB2RDF
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17:01:06 <mhausenblas> hhalpin seems iv_an_ru can't make it - can you scribe, please?
17:01:58 <Ashok> Ashok has joined #rdb2rdf
17:02:06 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with mhausenblas 
17:02:06 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'mhausenblas'
17:02:10 <MacTed> Zakim, this is 7322733
17:02:11 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
17:02:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with mhausenblas
17:02:19 <Zakim> + +49.322.222.0.aabb
17:02:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
17:02:21 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
17:02:24 <nunolopes> Zakim, nunolopes is with mhausenblas
17:02:25 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
17:02:25 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
17:02:27 <MacTed> something didn't start right ... 
17:02:31 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
17:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], whalb, +1.562.249.aaaa, juansequeda, ??P27, OpenLink_Software, mhausenblas, [IPcaller.a], +49.322.222.0.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc
17:02:34 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri, nunolopes
17:02:35 <mhausenblas> scribenick: hhalpin 
17:02:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, li_ma, Ahmed, Marcelo, whalb, Zakim, RRSAgent, cygri, angela_UNITN, juansequeda, hhalpin, mhausenblas, MacTed, LeeF, nunolopes, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:02:40 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:02:42 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:02:43 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:02:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:02:45 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:02:47 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:02:47 <soeren> soeren has joined #RDB2RDF
17:02:59 <Souri> Souri has joined #rdb2rdf
17:03:03 <Zakim> + +39.046.128.aadd
17:03:05 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
17:03:23 <Souri> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:03:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], whalb, +1.562.249.aaaa, juansequeda, ??P27, MacTed (muted), mhausenblas, [IPcaller.a], +49.322.222.0.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, +39.046.128.aadd,
17:03:27 <Zakim> ... Ashok_Malhotra
17:03:29 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri, nunolopes
17:03:41 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP
17:03:42 <Zakim> I am sorry, ericP; I do not know a number for ericP
17:03:44 <Souri> zakim, aacc is Souri
17:03:44 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
17:03:46 <Zakim> +??P51
17:03:48 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
17:03:50 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
17:03:52 <hhalpin> Zakim, ??P51 is hhalpin
17:03:52 <Zakim> +EricP
17:04:00 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
17:04:21 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
17:04:41 <Souri> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:04:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], whalb, +1.562.249.aaaa, juansequeda, ??P27, MacTed (muted), mhausenblas, [IPcaller.a], +49.322.222.0.aabb, Souri, +39.046.128.aadd, Ashok_Malhotra,
17:04:44 <Zakim> ... hhalpin, EricP
17:04:45 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri, nunolopes
17:04:48 <Zakim> +??P45
17:06:26 <BenSzekely> BenSzekely has joined #RDB2RDF
17:06:27 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2010/02/23-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:06:31 <hhalpin> thanks!
17:06:39 <ericP> +1
17:06:47 <hhalpin> ACCEPTED: as minutes Feb 23rd: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/23-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:06:57 <mhausenblas> Open actions http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/open
17:07:08 <mhausenblas> ACTION-19?
17:07:08 <trackbot> ACTION-19 -- Harry Halpin to put Souri's draft into a WBS poll and notify the WG -- due 2010-01-19 -- OPEN
17:07:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/19
17:07:32 <hhalpin> Souri, what that's a draft of?
17:07:42 <hhalpin> Souri: describe the SQL approach
17:07:55 <hhalpin> ... what is the SQL-based approach?
17:08:05 <hhalpin> ... relevance of the action has been taken of
17:08:06 <ericP> juansequeda, any interest in working with the FeDeRate code?
17:08:23 <hhalpin> ... working as a sub-groups already
17:08:27 <hhalpin> ... to note differences
17:08:38 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-19
17:08:38 <trackbot> ACTION-19 Put Souri's draft into a WBS poll and notify the WG closed
17:08:46 <juansequeda> ericP, lets talk afterwards
17:09:01 <mhausenblas> ACTION-28?
17:09:01 <trackbot> ACTION-28 -- Harry Halpin to check on dependencies with non-free ISO -- due 2010-03-02 -- OPEN
17:09:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/28
17:09:27 <mhausenblas> done by Harry, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Feb/0028.html
17:09:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION-28?
17:09:51 <trackbot> ACTION-28 -- Harry Halpin to check on dependencies with non-free ISO -- due 2010-03-02 -- CLOSED
17:09:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/28
17:10:09 <mhausenblas> ACTION-29?
17:10:09 <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to create Wiki page for RDF team and link from homepage -- due 2010-03-02 -- OPEN
17:10:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/29
17:10:47 <mhausenblas> ACTION-29?
17:10:47 <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to create Wiki page for RDF team and link from homepage -- due 2010-03-09 -- OPEN
17:10:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/29
17:10:50 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-RDB2RDF-minutes Feb 09 minutes
17:11:54 <hhalpin> ericP: old minutes from last week, approved last meeting
17:12:07 <mhausenblas> thanks a lot for this, ericP 
17:12:08 <hhalpin> ... : Do we have a wiki-page for the SQL team?
17:12:23 <hhalpin> soeren: so far we have a wiki page, its a bit unorganized
17:12:35 <hhalpin> ... but basically its the same ideas, trying to align our syntax
17:12:38 <Souri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/RDB-to-RDF_mapping:_A_SQL-based_Approach
17:12:51 <hhalpin> ... so then our goals can be merged and aligned. 
17:12:53 <Souri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_SQL_View_Annotation
17:13:14 <hhalpin> ericP: trying to figure out what to put in this page
17:13:17 <hhalpin> q+
17:13:23 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
17:14:05 <ericP> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FeDeRate/file/636ceb7f6d4d/src/test/scala/SparqlToSparqlToSqlTest.scala#l83
17:14:14 <ericP> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FeDeRate/file/636ceb7f6d4d/src/test/scala/SparqlToSparqlToSqlTest.scala#l83
17:14:31 <hhalpin> hhalpin: we'd just need an English-language spec-like text for the code that is under development
17:14:51 <hhalpin> ericP: I'm happy to document
17:14:57 <hhalpin> ... test-cases are the most important
17:14:59 <hhalpin> +1 test cases
17:15:03 <ericP> -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FeDeRate/file/636ceb7f6d4d/src/test/scala/SparqlToSparqlToSqlTest.scala#l72 test case
17:15:12 <ericP> -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FeDeRate/file/636ceb7f6d4d/src/test/scala/SparqlToSparqlToSqlTest.scala#l83 resulting view
17:15:52 <hhalpin> Souri: We want a mapping portion description without looking at query, so for example, D2RQ used some mappings.
17:16:20 <hhalpin> ... I don't see it or it's not very prominent
17:16:28 <hhalpin> ericP: line 72, line 80
17:17:02 <hhalpin>  val view = toView(List(hr2foaf), HR, StemURI("http://hr.example/DB/"))
17:17:04 <angela> angela has joined #RDB2RDF
17:17:34 <hhalpin> ericP: we just take stem URI and map the SPARQL query to SQL
17:17:50 <Zakim> -??P45
17:18:27 <hhalpin> juansequada: yes, that's very close to Ultrawrap
17:19:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
17:19:16 <hhalpin> ericP: is this consistent for the expressivity we need?, re ultrawrap and/or tripify?
17:19:44 <hhalpin> thats pretty different from what we have in mind
17:20:51 <hhalpin> soeren:  we don't have a triple table, we have a sql table
17:20:57 <hhalpin> ... not just a view, just the base table
17:21:03 <hhalpin> ... this is the most common-case
17:22:13 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
17:23:01 <hhalpin> ericP: is there some way triplify or ultrawrap folks can use  same config file/snyntax to produce triple-view or convert SPARQL to SQL queires
17:23:06 <hhalpin> soeren: we are working on that now
17:23:51 <hhalpin> ericP: I am also looking at expressivity, want to see if we match the expressivitiy we want
17:24:07 <hhalpin> soeren: discuss expressivity and common gaps
17:24:18 <hhalpin> s/soeren/ericP
17:24:43 <Souri>  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/RDB-to-RDF_mapping:_A_SQL-based_Approach
17:24:57 <hhalpin> souri: the main difference between ericP and us in DDL
17:25:06 <hhalpin> ... go down to bottom of the page
17:26:07 <hhalpin> ... the main thing connected with SQL is the strings, instance URIs, and connecting to
17:26:24 <hhalpin> ... via the XML the class and its propertie sto the SQL database
17:26:34 <hhalpin> ... and then we describe the object propertie s etc.
17:26:41 <hhalpin> ... this is the maping what is the schema?
17:26:58 <hhalpin> ... what is the schema that people will see even if they do not kniw underlying data?
17:27:08 <hhalpin> ericP: I'd like to see the DDL that this sis supposed to run over
17:27:23 <hhalpin> SourI: I can put dictionary info on there for integrity constraints
17:27:34 <hhalpin> s/SourI/Souri
17:27:44 <hhalpin> ... we have more or less agreement on this, DTD or XML Schema
17:27:53 <hhalpin> ... finally what we generate is RDF schema for us all to see
17:28:34 <hhalpin> juansequada: I have a FOL paper that shows this off in Datalog
17:28:54 <hhalpin> ericP: you got soundness and completeness for arbitrary SQL schema to RDF schema 
17:29:24 <Marcelo> me
17:29:35 <hhalpin> Marcelo: Yes, my paper shows the mapping
17:30:02 <hhalpin> ericP: My question is whether or not predicates are labelled in table or derived from some function of column heading
17:30:02 <Marcelo> actually, it is not my paper, it is Claudio Gutierrez's paper
17:30:10 <hhalpin> Can we post a link to the paper?
17:30:12 <hhalpin> to IRC
17:30:24 <hhalpin> s/my paper/Caludio Gutierrez's paper/
17:30:30 <Marcelo> This is the paper: R. Angles, C. Gutierrez,  The Expressive Power of SPARQL  International Semantic Web Conference 2008. 
17:30:59 <hhalpin> Souri: the way we are translating this it is not doing it as a 2-way join, both are going back to same table
17:31:24 <hhalpin> ... common domains
17:31:33 <hhalpin> ... have a normalized schema
17:31:36 <Marcelo> link to the paper: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~cgutierr/papers/expPowSPARQL.pdf
17:31:53 <hhalpin> ... properties from the same row, as if join had been pre-done and sitting there in shortage
17:32:00 <hhalpin> ericP: I'd like to see use-cases
17:32:08 <hhalpin> ... stuck in some for BioPax
17:32:24 <angela> i will put mine tomorrow
17:32:27 <hhalpin> ...would like to see all the use-cases
17:32:47 <hhalpin> Souri: We will definitely augment it to show peopl, hat we are thinking
17:33:08 <hhalpin> ericP: We need a use-case
17:34:14 <hhalpin> T+7: Requirements and Use Cases for the RDB2RDF Mapping Language (R2RML)
17:34:23 <Souri> We'll add dictionary info for the tables and the RDF schema that gets generated from the specified mapping (for the SPARQL query writer)
17:34:43 <hhalpin> ericP: should we push something for 3 months
17:34:59 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: We could then get out use-cases as soon as possible
17:35:31 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:35:56 <hhalpin> Note that the use-cases will be technically separate from the test-cases, which we will keep adding through the life of the project
17:36:07 <hhalpin> So let's push out a use-case document
17:36:21 <hhalpin> by end of the month, and then a month to finalize into requirements
17:37:20 <hhalpin> ericP: Soeren, can you put this Web-pubishing schemas over the doc
17:37:30 <hhalpin> juansequada: We are testing the berlin benchmark
17:37:45 <hhalpin> ... we have some r&a databases to the world
17:37:49 <hhalpin> ... we could use.
17:38:20 <hhalpin> ericP: Not sure if we want Berlin SPARQL benchmark in use-case, so let's leave that out.
17:38:33 <hhalpin> Ahmed: I like the use-case that had integration from multiple data-sources
17:38:39 <hhalpin> Angela: I can put that use-case in tomorrow
17:38:50 <hhalpin> should we make these actions??
17:39:56 <hhalpin> ACTION: angela to put up data integration use-case
17:39:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Put up data integration use-case [on Angela Fogarolli - due 2010-03-09].
17:40:06 <hhalpin> tables, triples, and approach 
17:40:20 <hhalpin> ACTION: Soeren web-publishing use-case
17:40:20 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Soeren
17:41:07 <hhalpin> ACTION: juansequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases
17:41:07 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - juansequada
17:41:11 <hhalpin> ACTION: juansequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases
17:41:11 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - juansequada
17:41:15 <hhalpin> ACTION: jsequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases
17:41:15 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jsequada
17:41:21 <hhalpin> ACTION: sequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases
17:41:21 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - sequada
17:41:35 <hhalpin> ACTION: jsequeda RNA alignment sequence use-cases
17:41:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - RNA alignment sequence use-cases [on Juan Sequeda - due 2010-03-09].
17:42:02 <hhalpin> ACTION: sauer use-case for web-publishing
17:42:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Use-case for web-publishing [on Sören Auer - due 2010-03-09].
17:42:39 <hhalpin> if we can push even a working draft out then we can push it
17:43:17 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: happy to do it manually
17:43:39 <mhausenblas> s/happy/ok
17:44:24 <hhalpin> just note that its use-case is a Working Group document
17:44:41 <hhalpin> Working Group Note rather than Rec-track draft
17:44:50 <hhalpin> ericP: publish early and often
17:46:08 <hhalpin> Ahmed: I think it's useful to do any updates as early as possible
17:46:24 <hhalpin> ericP: let's aim for Sunday night
17:47:21 <hhalpin> Marcelo: I am having some trouble with the 12-1 time, could we switch to another time?
17:47:36 <hhalpin> ericP: 1-2 time?
17:47:43 <hhalpin> 18-19:00UTC
17:47:57 <hhalpin> juansequada: I can't.
17:48:13 <hhalpin> Ahmed: All week except Tuesday we're booked
17:48:33 <hhalpin> q+
17:48:57 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
17:49:14 <hhalpin> Marcelo: If it doesn't work, I'll somehow manage, with new meetings coming in.
17:49:18 <hhalpin> what is the concrete option?
17:49:30 <hhalpin> options?
17:49:40 <hhalpin> s/Marcelo/Souri
17:50:14 <Souri> Thursday anytime is good for me
17:50:26 <hhalpin> hmmm
17:52:11 <hhalpin> ACTION: Harry to find old WBS in order to help determine what schedule works
17:52:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Find old WBS in order to help determine what schedule works [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-03-09].
17:52:53 <hhalpin> Ahmed: 8-9 AM Tuesdays 
17:52:55 <Souri> Tues 11-12 is ok for me
17:53:00 <hhalpin> ... is only time that works for me.
17:53:08 <Souri> 11-12 EST (sorry)
17:53:38 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:55:29 <mhausenblas> Michael: For the record - I repeat what I've said several times - don't change the time, we're set now, will just cause confusion and more work
17:56:34 <Zakim> -??P27
17:56:35 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:56:35 <Zakim> - +49.322.222.0.aabb
17:56:40 <Zakim> -Souri
17:56:41 <Zakim> - +39.046.128.aadd
17:56:42 <Zakim> -whalb
17:56:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:56:45 <Zakim> -juansequeda
17:56:45 <Zakim> -EricP
17:56:47 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
17:56:51 <Zakim> - +1.562.249.aaaa
18:12:01 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:12:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:12:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list attendees
18:12:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], whalb, +1.562.249.aaaa, juansequeda, mhausenblas, +49.322.222.0.aabb, cygri, nunolopes, +1.603.897.aacc, MacTed,
18:12:43 <Zakim> ... +39.046.128.aadd, Ashok_Malhotra, Souri, EricP, hhalpin
18:12:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:12:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:13:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, bye
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: angela to put up data integration use-case [1]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-39-56
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Soeren web-publishing use-case [2]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-40-20
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: juansequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases [3]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-41-07
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: juansequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases [4]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-41-11
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jsequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases [5]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-41-15
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sequada RNA alignment sequence use-cases [6]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-41-21
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jsequeda RNA alignment sequence use-cases [7]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-41-35
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sauer use-case for web-publishing [8]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-42-02
18:13:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Harry to find old WBS in order to help determine what schedule works [9]
18:13:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-52-11