RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 16 June 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0030.html
Present
Manu Sporny, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Ivan Herman, Knud Möller, Sebastian Germesin, Ted Thibodeau
Chair
Manu Sporny
Scribe
Knud Möller
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG. link
  2. Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix. link
Topics
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13:03:15 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
13:03:15 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2011
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13:55:07 <Zakim> + +49.681.857.75.aaaa

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13:55:25 <SebastianGermesin> Zakim, I am +49.681.857.75.aaaa

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13:59:58 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:00:07 <ShaneM> zakim, ??P10 is ShaneM

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14:00:07 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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14:01:16 <Zakim> +??P13

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14:01:19 <manu> zakim, I am ??P13

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14:01:19 <Zakim> +manu; got it

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14:01:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

14:01:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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14:01:24 <Zakim> +Ivan

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14:02:54 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?

Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←

14:02:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan ←

14:03:17 <steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

14:03:17 <Zakim> ok, steven; the call is being made

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14:03:19 <Zakim> +Steven

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14:03:59 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?

Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←

14:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven ←

14:05:33 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb

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14:05:44 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0030.html
14:05:46 <Knud> zakim, mute me

Knud Möller: zakim, mute me ←

14:05:47 <manu> Chair: Manu
14:05:49 <manu> Scribe: Knud

(Scribe set to Knud Möller)

14:06:02 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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14:06:13 <Knud> zakim, I am +aabb

zakim, I am +aabb ←

14:06:13 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named '+aabb'

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14:06:19 <manu> Present: Manu, Shane, Steven, Ivan, Knud, Sebastian, Ted
14:06:32 <ivan> zakim, 3539149aabb is Knud

Ivan Herman: zakim, 3539149aabb is Knud ←

14:06:32 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aabb'

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14:06:36 <manu> zakim, aabb is Knud

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14:06:36 <Zakim> +Knud; got it

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14:06:40 <Knud> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me ←

14:06:40 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted

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14:08:31 <Knud> manu: Received quite a bit of feedback due to schema.org - people would like to help out, but don't know what to help with / work on. We should chat about that a bit today. But first, some administrative issues...

Manu Sporny: Received quite a bit of feedback due to schema.org - people would like to help out, but don't know what to help with / work on. We should chat about that a bit today. But first, some administrative issues... ←

14:09:12 <Knud> everyone is happy with agenda

everyone is happy with agenda ←

14:09:20 <manu> Topic: 'dc' prefix in RDFa Default Profile

1. 'dc' prefix in RDFa Default Profile

14:09:53 <Knud> ivan: proposal for 11 default prefixes, based on search results

Ivan Herman: proposal for 11 default prefixes, based on search results ←

14:10:28 <Knud> … : feedback is "dc" should be used instead of "dcterms"

… : feedback is "dc" should be used instead of "dcterms" ←

14:10:57 <Knud> … we should used this prefix ourselves, to be consistent

… we should used this prefix ourselves, to be consistent ←

14:11:11 <Knud> … needs to be changed in our documents

… needs to be changed in our documents ←

14:11:31 <manu> PROPOSAL: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG.

PROPOSED: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG. ←

14:11:40 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

14:11:40 <Knud> Is there a prefix for dcelements?

Is there a prefix for dcelements? ←

14:11:45 <manu> +1

Manu Sporny: +1 ←

14:11:45 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1 ←

14:11:48 <SebastianGermesin> +1

Sebastian Germesin: +1 ←

14:12:00 <Knud> Knud: +1

Knud Möller: +1 ←

14:12:11 <Knud> ivan: no, not in the 11 top prefixes

Ivan Herman: no, not in the 11 top prefixes ←

14:12:14 <Knud> ok

ok ←

14:12:51 <steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1 ←

14:12:53 <manu> RESOLVED: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG.

RESOLVED: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG. ←

14:13:29 <manu> Topic: Use of Internet schemes such as 'http' as prefixes

2. Use of Internet schemes such as 'http' as prefixes

14:14:34 <Knud> ivan: thomas should be allowed to point this out as a problem in the name of this WG

Ivan Herman: thomas should be allowed to point this out as a problem in the name of this WG ←

14:14:54 <ivan> HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0 document

Ivan Herman: HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0 document ←

14:15:08 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-HTTP-in-RDF10-20110510/

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-HTTP-in-RDF10-20110510/ ←

14:15:34 <manu> PROPOSAL: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix.

PROPOSED: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix. ←

14:15:52 <ivan> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0045.html draft comment to the WG of Earl

Ivan Herman: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0045.html draft comment to the WG of Earl ←

14:16:11 <manu> +1

Manu Sporny: +1 ←

14:16:15 <Knud> Knud: +1

Knud Möller: +1 ←

14:16:16 <SebastianGermesin> +1

Sebastian Germesin: +1 ←

14:16:18 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1 ←

14:16:18 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

14:16:20 <steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1 ←

14:16:29 <manu> RESOLVED: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix.

RESOLVED: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix. ←

14:17:03 <ivan>  Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)

Ivan Herman: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) ←

14:17:19 <manu> ACTION: Thomas to contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue.

ACTION: Thomas to contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue. ←

14:17:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue. [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-06-23].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-83 - Contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue. [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-06-23]. ←

14:17:23 <ivan> comments to be sent to public-earl10-comments@w3.org

Ivan Herman: comments to be sent to public-earl10-comments@w3.org ←

14:17:30 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←

14:17:37 <ivan> copied to Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>

Ivan Herman: copied to Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org> ←

14:18:28 <Knud> ivan: replace my name with Thomas at end of email

Ivan Herman: replace my name with Thomas at end of email ←

14:18:32 <manu> Topic: Creating a List of Todo Items for the Community

3. Creating a List of Todo Items for the Community

14:19:03 <manu> http://schema.rdfs.org/

Manu Sporny: http://schema.rdfs.org/ ←

14:19:24 <Knud> manu: mapping of schema.org vocabs to rdfs

Manu Sporny: mapping of schema.org vocabs to rdfs ←

14:19:40 <manu> https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/tree/master/examples

Manu Sporny: https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/tree/master/examples ←

14:19:52 <Knud> … schema.rdfs.org people ask for examples for these schemas

… schema.rdfs.org people ask for examples for these schemas ←

14:20:10 <Knud> … places, people, events, ...

… places, people, events, ... ←

14:21:20 <Knud> … all on github in /examples folder

… all on github in /examples folder ←

14:21:37 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/05/rdfa_11_with_a_rich_snippet_ex.html

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/05/rdfa_11_with_a_rich_snippet_ex.html ←

14:22:42 <Knud> ivan: example in this blog post very similar to schema.org vocabs

Ivan Herman: example in this blog post very similar to schema.org vocabs ←

14:22:48 <manu> http://gavin.carothers.name/2011/06/04/schema-org-as-rdfa/

Manu Sporny: http://gavin.carothers.name/2011/06/04/schema-org-as-rdfa/ ←

14:23:41 <Knud> … we should  use RDFa 1.1

… we should use RDFa 1.1 ←

14:23:54 <Knud> manu: especially because of xmlns, etc.

Manu Sporny: especially because of xmlns, etc. ←

14:24:17 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←

14:24:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, Knud (muted), OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, Knud (muted), OpenLink_Software ←

14:24:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see MacTed, Knud, ShaneM, steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, SebastianGermesin, manu1, trackbot, manu, hughb

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MacTed, Knud, ShaneM, steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, SebastianGermesin, manu1, trackbot, manu, hughb ←

14:24:27 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←

14:24:27 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←

14:24:30 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←

14:24:30 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←

14:25:35 <manu> Present+ Ted

Manu Sporny: Present+ Ted ←

14:27:42 <Knud> shane: for my own use, RDF1.0 would also be nice to have

Shane McCarron: for my own use, RDF1.0 would also be nice to have ←

14:28:09 <Knud> manu: there'd still be the anti xmlns push-back

Manu Sporny: there'd still be the anti xmlns push-back ←

14:29:09 <Knud> shane: would be cool if HTML5+RDFa 1.1 already was a standard

Shane McCarron: would be cool if HTML5+RDFa 1.1 already was a standard ←

14:30:28 <Knud> ivan: however, we are coupled to HTML5 development, so we cannot speed up getting to REC there.

Ivan Herman: however, we are coupled to HTML5 development, so we cannot speed up getting to REC there. ←

14:32:27 <Knud> … and focussing on HTML4+RDFa1.1 probably wouldn't work either

… and focussing on HTML4+RDFa1.1 probably wouldn't work either ←

14:33:31 <Knud> manu: still, it would be interesting to have this discussion (HTML4+RDFa 1.1) at the W3C

Manu Sporny: still, it would be interesting to have this discussion (HTML4+RDFa 1.1) at the W3C ←

14:34:16 <Knud> ivan: it would not gain us much, just take a lot of energy and time

Ivan Herman: it would not gain us much, just take a lot of energy and time ←

14:34:29 <manu> Subtopic: rdfa.info website revamp

3.1. rdfa.info website revamp

14:35:14 <Knud> manu: I got feedback that it would be great to have a central location for everything RDFa (tools, links to specs, etc.)

Manu Sporny: I got feedback that it would be great to have a central location for everything RDFa (tools, links to specs, etc.) ←

14:35:28 <Knud> … our wordpress site is a bit out of date

… our wordpress site is a bit out of date ←

14:36:44 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDFa

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDFa ←

14:37:35 <Knud> ivan: why not extend on this W3C-hosted wiki?

Ivan Herman: why not extend on this W3C-hosted wiki? ←

14:38:12 <manu> q+ to talk about marketing...

Manu Sporny: q+ to talk about marketing... ←

14:38:28 <Knud> … maybe not as pretty, but easy to edit for community

… maybe not as pretty, but easy to edit for community ←

14:38:48 <Knud> manu: concerned about marketing message... I think we've done a bad job at making sure that the RDFa community can craft a great message to the Web community. Our web presence sucks.

Manu Sporny: concerned about marketing message... I think we've done a bad job at making sure that the RDFa community can craft a great message to the Web community. Our web presence sucks. ←

14:38:53 <manu> http://json.org/

Manu Sporny: http://json.org/ ←

14:39:00 <Knud> … we need a very clean and slick introduction to RDFa

… we need a very clean and slick introduction to RDFa ←

14:39:46 <Knud> … json.org not so slick, but very easy introduction, easy to remember URI

… json.org not so slick, but very easy introduction, easy to remember URI ←

14:40:13 <Knud> … look & feel should attract developers and designers

… look & feel should attract developers and designers ←

14:42:31 <Knud> ivan: Just from a practical point of view, we risk things becoming out of date on an external site, just like rdfa.info

Ivan Herman: Just from a practical point of view, we risk things becoming out of date on an external site, just like rdfa.info ←

14:43:15 <Knud> manu: getting accounts is exactly the issue - we will have to make it easier to host rdfa.info and give access to people to hack on it

Manu Sporny: getting accounts is exactly the issue - we will have to make it easier to host rdfa.info and give access to people to hack on it ←

14:44:33 <Knud> … we should have a virtual private server, source code for the site should be open, needs to be easy to be redeployed to new physical machine, etc.

… we should have a virtual private server, source code for the site should be open, needs to be easy to be redeployed to new physical machine, etc. ←

14:45:29 <Knud> … need shell accounts for community members, domain ownership transferred to W3C

… need shell accounts for community members, domain ownership transferred to W3C ←

14:45:53 <Knud> … rdfa.info currently owned by creative commons

… rdfa.info currently owned by creative commons ←

14:46:49 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←

14:46:49 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←

14:47:34 <Knud> ivan: we should not replicate all the tools on rdfa.info

Ivan Herman: we should not replicate all the tools on rdfa.info ←

14:49:23 <Knud> … we need an authoritative list of tools, that would be enough, and better to maintain

… we need an authoritative list of tools, that would be enough, and better to maintain ←

14:50:26 <Knud> can the distiller run on rdfa.info virtually - just use the original one as a service?

can the distiller run on rdfa.info virtually - just use the original one as a service? ←

14:50:51 <Knud> shane: (what I just said)

Shane McCarron: (what I just said) ←

14:52:01 <Knud> ivan: currently not concerned about high load on distiller. When it becomes an issue, this will be a luxury problem, and we will solve it

Ivan Herman: currently not concerned about high load on distiller. When it becomes an issue, this will be a luxury problem, and we will solve it ←

14:52:19 <manu> JavaScript RDFa 1.1 processor

Manu Sporny: JavaScript RDFa 1.1 processor ←

14:52:24 <manu> JavaScript RDFa 1.1 API implementation

Manu Sporny: JavaScript RDFa 1.1 API implementation ←

14:52:32 <manu> JavaScript RDFa snippet generator (FOAF, schema.org, etc.)

Manu Sporny: JavaScript RDFa snippet generator (FOAF, schema.org, etc.) ←

14:52:56 <Knud> manu: these tools are missing

Manu Sporny: these tools are missing ←

14:53:35 <Knud> … we need to tell interested JS developers that they can help us with these tools

… we need to tell interested JS developers that they can help us with these tools ←

14:54:12 <Knud> ivan: most important would be API implementations

Ivan Herman: most important would be API implementations ←

14:56:36 <Knud> … especially for showcasing the RDFa strenghts, such as integrating data from different sources

… especially for showcasing the RDFa strenghts, such as integrating data from different sources ←

14:56:44 <manu> Topic: Increasing participation in WG

4. Increasing participation in WG

14:56:56 <manu> Stephane Corlosquet, Niklas Lindstrom, Gregg Kellogg

Manu Sporny: Stephane Corlosquet, Niklas Lindstrom, Gregg Kellogg ←

14:57:39 <Knud> manu: these people are interested in joining

Manu Sporny: these people are interested in joining ←

14:57:45 <Knud> Ivan: I think it would be good to bring these people on board.

Ivan Herman: I think it would be good to bring these people on board. ←

15:01:31 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about the role spec quickly

Shane McCarron: q+ to talk about the role spec quickly ←

15:01:45 <manu> Topic: Role attribute spec

5. Role attribute spec

15:01:48 <manu> ack manu

Manu Sporny: ack manu ←

15:01:50 <manu> ack shanem

Manu Sporny: ack shanem ←

15:02:12 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to talk about marketing...

Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to talk about marketing... ←

15:02:20 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about the role spec quickly

Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to talk about the role spec quickly ←

15:02:32 <Knud> shane: PF WG wants to change dependency back to RDFa1.0, because of delays in this WG

Shane McCarron: PF WG wants to change dependency back to RDFa1.0, because of delays in this WG ←

15:05:10 <Knud> … PF could say in their spec that datatype for @role might be extended in the future, with reference to work in this WG

… PF could say in their spec that datatype for @role might be extended in the future, with reference to work in this WG ←

15:07:15 <steven> Regrets for next week - at a conference

Steven Pemberton: Regrets for next week - at a conference ←

15:08:17 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

15:08:22 <Zakim> -manu

Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←

15:08:23 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

15:08:25 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:08:31 <Zakim> -SebastianGermesin

Zakim IRC Bot: -SebastianGermesin ←

15:08:40 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←

15:08:41 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←

15:08:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +49.681.857.75.aaaa, SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, +3539149aabb, Knud, MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +49.681.857.75.aaaa, SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, +3539149aabb, Knud, MacTed ←



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