RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 26 May 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011May/0076
Present
Benjamin Adrian, Ivan Herman, Knud Möller, Manu Sporny, Sebastian Germesin, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton
Chair
Manu Sporny
Scribe
Steven Pemberton
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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13:36:35 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
13:36:35 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2011
13:59:41 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

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13:59:43 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started

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14:00:04 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011May/0076

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14:00:22 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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14:00:22 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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14:00:24 <Zakim> +Steven

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14:00:37 <Steven> rrsagent, here?

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14:00:37 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-rdfa-irc#T14-00-37

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14:00:41 <Zakim> + +49.631.205.75.aaaa

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14:00:52 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:00:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

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14:00:52 <Benjamin> zakim, i am aaaa

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14:00:52 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it

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14:01:27 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011May/0076
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14:01:34 <Steven> Chair: Manu
14:00:04 <manu1> Present: Benjamin Adrian, Ivan Herman, Knud Möller, Manu Sporny, Sebastian Germesin, Shane McCarron, Steven
14:01:35 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P8

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14:01:37 <Steven> Scribe: Steven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

14:01:37 <Steven> scribenick: Steven
14:01:43 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:01:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

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14:01:54 <Zakim> +manu1; got it

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14:01:56 <SebastianGermesin> zakim, i am aabb

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14:02:36 <Steven> Topic: Introductions - Sebastian

1. Introductions - Sebastian

14:02:47 <Steven> Sebastian: See my email on the list

Sebastian Germesin: See my email on the list ←

14:03:13 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←

14:03:28 <Steven> Ivan: Haven't seen it

Ivan Herman: Haven't seen it ←

14:03:54 <Steven> Ivan: Reminder for people to rejoin the group

Ivan Herman: Reminder for people to rejoin the group ←

14:04:30 <manu1> zakim, who is here?

Manu Sporny: zakim, who is here? ←

14:04:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, Steven, Benjamin, SebastianGermesin, manu1, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, Steven, Benjamin, SebastianGermesin, manu1, ShaneM ←

14:04:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, Steven, Benjamin, manu1, Zakim, RRSAgent, danbri, SebastianGermesin, ivan, manu, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ShaneM, Steven, Benjamin, manu1, Zakim, RRSAgent, danbri, SebastianGermesin, ivan, manu, trackbot ←

14:07:26 <Steven> Sebastian: I am researcher at German research centre for Artificial Intelligence in Saarbruechen, PhD thesis, EU funded, researching interaction patterns

Sebastian Germesin: I am researcher at German research centre for Artificial Intelligence in Saarbruechen, PhD thesis, EU funded, researching interaction patterns ←

14:07:59 <Steven> ... see my mail for more details when it arrives

... see my mail for more details when it arrives ←

14:08:28 <Steven> ... my research led me to RDFa, and am happy to join the group, hope I can add valuable input

... my research led me to RDFa, and am happy to join the group, hope I can add valuable input ←

14:08:47 <Steven> ... this is my first W3C WG, sorry for being a newby

... this is my first W3C WG, sorry for being a newby ←

14:09:14 <Steven> ... I work with Henry B[xx]

... I work with Henry Berguis ←

14:09:35 <Steven> Manu: What is the project IKS trying to do?

Manu Sporny: What is the project IKS trying to do? ←

14:10:00 <Steven> Sebastian: About CMSs and the technology stack needed to support them

Sebastian Germesin: About CMSs and the technology stack needed to support them ←

14:10:29 <Steven> ... Apache incubator group [yy] to define entities in text

... Apache incubator group Stanbol to define entities in text ←

14:10:47 <Zakim> +Knud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud ←

14:10:59 <Steven> s/[yy]/Stanbol
14:11:04 <manu1> http://incubator.apache.org/stanbol/

Manu Sporny: http://incubator.apache.org/stanbol/ ←

14:11:14 <Knud> zakim, mute me

Knud Möller: zakim, mute me ←

14:11:14 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted

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14:11:37 <Steven> Manu: Other technologies?

Manu Sporny: Other technologies? ←

14:11:40 <manu1> Henri Berguis

Manu Sporny: Henri Berguis ←

14:11:48 <Steven> Sebastian: JSON, RDFa, [one other]

Sebastian Germesin: JSON, RDFa, [one other] ←

14:12:22 <Steven> s/[xx]/erguis/
14:12:34 <Steven> q+

q+ ←

14:13:36 <Steven> Q-

Q- ←

14:14:27 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

14:15:03 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual Common scribe manual

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual Common scribe manual ←

14:15:37 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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14:16:24 <manu1> Topic: RDFa news and updates on spec progress

2. RDFa news and updates on spec progress

14:16:56 <Steven> Manu: HTML5+RDFa and HTML4+RDFa entered last call

Manu Sporny: HTML5+RDFa and HTML4+RDFa entered last call ←

14:17:02 <Steven> ... this is good news

... this is good news ←

14:17:16 <Steven> ... all browser manufacturers voted against them

... all browser manufacturers voted against them ←

14:17:31 <Steven> ... everyone else was positive

... everyone else was positive ←

14:17:50 <Steven> ... I don't understand the browser manufacturers votes.

... I don't understand the browser manufacturers votes. ←

14:17:57 <Steven> ... But Microsoft was positive!

... But Microsoft was positive! ←

14:18:31 <Steven> Ivan: Charles's comment (opera) was lukewarm, but not hostile

Ivan Herman: Charles's comment (opera) was lukewarm, but not hostile ←

14:19:53 <manu1> http://intertwingly.net/stories/2011/05/23/lastcall.html#xq8

Manu Sporny: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2011/05/23/lastcall.html#xq8 ←

14:20:23 <manu1> The poll results w/ comments are here: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/html5-last-call-poll/results

Manu Sporny: The poll results w/ comments are here: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/html5-last-call-poll/results ←

14:22:23 <Steven> [Manu reads some responses]

[Manu reads some responses] ←

14:24:13 <Steven> q+

q+ ←

14:24:21 <Steven> Manu: State of validator?

Manu Sporny: State of validator? ←

14:24:35 <Steven> Ivan: Ongoing, not sure of final status

Ivan Herman: Ongoing, not sure of final status ←

14:24:57 <Steven> ... up and running this week, haven't seen it yet

... up and running this week, haven't seen it yet ←

14:25:16 <Steven> ... we should ask again, maybe due to someone on holiday

... we should ask again, maybe due to someone on holiday ←

14:25:20 <Steven> ... it will happen

... it will happen ←

14:25:50 <Steven> ... the HTML5 bit is not so sure.

... the HTML5 bit is not so sure. ←

14:26:10 <manu1> Steven: What is the status of HTML5+RDFa? Is HTML4+RDFa tied to it?

Steven Pemberton: What is the status of HTML5+RDFa? Is HTML4+RDFa tied to it? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←

14:26:17 <Steven> Steven: Presumably the HTML5+RDFa document references HTML5 and so can only move ahead when it does

Steven Pemberton: Presumably the HTML5+RDFa document references HTML5 and so can only move ahead when it does ←

14:26:19 <Steven> Ivan: Yes

Ivan Herman: Yes ←

14:27:00 <Steven> Shane: HTML4+RDFa, who publishes it?

Shane McCarron: HTML4+RDFa, who publishes it? ←

14:27:29 <Steven> Ivan: No separate document for that.

Ivan Herman: No separate document for that. ←

14:27:33 <Steven> Shane: Pity.

Shane McCarron: Pity. ←

14:27:40 <Steven> Manu: Nothing we can do about it.

Manu Sporny: Nothing we can do about it. ←

14:28:32 <Steven> [Sebastian's introduction email -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011May/0082.html]

[Sebastian's introduction email -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011May/0082.html] ←

14:28:42 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:28:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

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14:32:07 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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14:32:08 <manu1> Topic: RDF Interfaces, RDF API and RDFa API testing

3. RDF Interfaces, RDF API and RDFa API testing

14:32:56 <Steven> Benjamin: My PhD is blocking me working on it at the moment, but maybe I can work together with Sebastian

Benjamin Adrian: My PhD is blocking me working on it at the moment, but maybe I can work together with Sebastian ←

14:33:21 <Steven> Manu: Nathan is busy too; so the two main editors are not available

Manu Sporny: Nathan is busy too; so the two main editors are not available ←

14:33:34 <Steven> ... I'm worried that the work will stall

... I'm worried that the work will stall ←

14:34:41 <Benjamin> q+

Benjamin Adrian: q+ ←

14:34:53 <manu1> ack Steven

Manu Sporny: ack Steven ←

14:35:07 <SebastianGermesin> q+

Sebastian Germesin: q+ ←

14:35:18 <manu1> Niklas Linstrom

Manu Sporny: Niklas Linstrom ←

14:35:22 <Benjamin> Niklas Kindsröm

Benjamin Adrian: Niklas Kindsröm ←

14:35:26 <Steven> Benjamin: How about asking Niklas Lindstrom?

Benjamin Adrian: How about asking Niklas Lindström? ←

14:36:02 <Steven> s/Lindstrom/Lindström
14:36:09 <manu1> ack SebastianGermesin

Manu Sporny: ack SebastianGermesin ←

14:36:09 <Steven> Manu: Good idea

Manu Sporny: Good idea ←

14:36:12 <manu1> ack Benjamin

Manu Sporny: ack Benjamin ←

14:36:34 <Steven> Sebastian: I've recently been looking at all the documents, for some of them I have implementations, so maybe I can contribute

Sebastian Germesin: I've recently been looking at all the documents, for some of them I have implementations, so maybe I can contribute ←

14:37:33 <Steven> Manu: We just need to be sure people are woking on it; I should ping Nathan again. We need two interoperable implementations

Manu Sporny: We just need to be sure people are woking on it; I should ping Nathan again. We need two interoperable implementations ←

14:37:57 <Steven> Ivan: At this moment, our concern is the document editing

Ivan Herman: At this moment, our concern is the document editing ←

14:38:38 <Steven> Manu: I'm signing up for that

Manu Sporny: I'm signing up for that ←

14:38:55 <Steven> Ivan: Can you manage three documents?

Ivan Herman: Can you manage three documents? ←

14:39:14 <Steven> Manu: Maybe

Manu Sporny: Maybe ←

14:39:23 <Steven> ... depends on how much work it is

... depends on how much work it is ←

14:39:40 <Steven> ... it's only a temporary solution over the next couple of weeks

... it's only a temporary solution over the next couple of weeks ←

14:40:41 <Steven> Manu: Sebastian, would you be available for document editing.

Manu Sporny: Sebastian, would you be available for document editing? ←

14:40:45 <Steven> Sebastian: Yes.

Sebastian Germesin: Yes. ←

14:40:54 <Steven> s/editing./editing?/
14:44:24 <Steven> Benjamin: what about these guys implementing rdfquery: http://code.google.com/p/rdfquery/people/list

Benjamin Adrian: what about these guys implementing rdfquery: http://code.google.com/p/rdfquery/people/list ←

14:44:36 <Steven> Manu: Good idea

Manu Sporny: Good idea ←

14:45:10 <Steven> Sebastian: I will ask those guys

Sebastian Germesin: I will ask those guys ←

14:45:54 <Steven> ACTION: Sebastian to ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved

ACTION: Sebastian to ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved ←

14:45:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved [on Sebastian Germesin - due 2011-06-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-80 - Ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved [on Sebastian Germesin - due 2011-06-02]. ←

14:46:58 <Steven> ACTION; Benjamin to ask Niklas Lindström if he wants to get involved

ACTION; Benjamin to ask Niklas Lindström if he wants to get involved ←

14:47:10 <Steven> ACTION: Sebastian to ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved

ACTION: Sebastian to ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved ←

14:47:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved [on Sebastian Germesin - due 2011-06-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-81 - Ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved [on Sebastian Germesin - due 2011-06-02]. ←

14:47:22 <Steven> ACTION: Benjamin to ask Niklas Lindström if he wants to get involved

ACTION: Benjamin to ask Niklas Lindström if he wants to get involved ←

14:47:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Ask Niklas Lindström if he wants to get involved [on Benjamin Adrian - due 2011-06-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-82 - Ask Niklas Lindström if he wants to get involved [on Benjamin Adrian - due 2011-06-02]. ←

14:47:34 <Steven> close action-81

close ACTION-81 ←

14:47:34 <trackbot> ACTION-81 Ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-81 Ask the RDFQuery people if they want to get involved closed ←

14:49:24 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

14:49:44 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←

14:50:25 <Steven> Ivan: We have a model on how the tests work on the RDFa parts, nice and automatic; how would we do it with the javascripting part?

Ivan Herman: We have a model on how the tests work on the RDFa parts, nice and automatic; how would we do it with the javascripting part? ←

14:50:28 <manu1> q+

Manu Sporny: q+ ←

14:50:35 <manu1> ack manu1

Manu Sporny: ack manu1 ←

14:50:45 <Steven> Manu: Don't kjow if we can do it in the same way

Manu Sporny: Don't know if we can do it in the same way ←

14:50:52 <Steven> s/kj/kn/
14:52:18 <Steven> ... qunit is better at testing APIs

... qunit is better at testing APIs ←

14:53:00 <Steven> Ivan: How do we report the results

Ivan Herman: How do we report the results? ←

14:53:07 <Steven> s/results/results?/
14:53:15 <Steven> ... hopefully automatic

... hopefully automatic ←

14:53:23 <Steven> Manu: We used to use EARL

Manu Sporny: We used to use EARL ←

14:53:53 <Steven> ... we'd have to do the same for the API

... we'd have to do the same for the API ←

14:54:12 <Steven> Ivan: we should talk to some of the other API WGs

Ivan Herman: we should talk to some of the other API WGs ←

14:59:46 <Steven> Ivan: We need to check that the RDF and RDFa APIs are consitent

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Ivan Herman: We need to check that the RDF and RDFa APIs are consistent ←

14:59:59 <Steven> s/tent/stent/
15:00:47 <Steven> Ivan: We also need to plan dates for CR for Core and for XHTML+

Ivan Herman: We also need to plan dates for CR for Core and for XHTML+ ←

15:01:00 <Steven> Manu: Shane's working on it; he's been sick

Manu Sporny: Shane's working on it; he's been sick ←

15:01:41 <Steven> Ivan: Administratively it is complicated

Ivan Herman: Administratively it is complicated ←

15:02:15 <Steven> ... and Summer is coming

... and Summer is coming ←

15:02:35 <Steven> ... so we need to plan the dates now

... so we need to plan the dates now ←

15:03:49 <Steven> Manu: OK I'll put priority on the last call comments and so on.

Manu Sporny: OK I'll put priority on the last call comments and so on. ←

15:04:05 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←



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