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20:25:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WSRA
20:25:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
20:25:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
20:25:27 <trackbot> Date: 16 February 2010
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20:28:52 <Bob> trackbot, start telecon
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20:28:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WSRA
20:28:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
20:28:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
20:28:58 <trackbot> Date: 16 February 2010
20:29:07 <Bob> chair: Bob Freund
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20:29:56 <asoldano> Zakim, aabb is asoldano
20:29:56 <Zakim> +asoldano; got it
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20:30:52 <Zakim> +li; got it
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20:32:05 <Bob> zakim, aadd is Gilbert
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20:32:36 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
20:32:50 <Zakim> +Yves
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20:34:49 <Bob> zakim pick a victim
20:34:58 <Bob> zakim, pick a victim
20:34:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P22
20:35:22 <gpilz> SCRIBE: gpilz
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20:35:40 <gpilz> TOPIC: agenda bashing
20:36:02 <Bob> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Feb/0014.html
20:36:31 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: agenda approved
20:37:05 <Dug> 8306 is a good one too
20:37:40 <gpilz> TOPIC: new issues
20:38:02 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: 9032 accepted as new issue
20:38:56 <gpilz> Bob: any probs with dealing with 8306?
20:39:23 <gpilz> Ram: I would prefer that issues that came after the moratorium be discussed after last call
20:39:35 <gpilz> Bob: let's tackle MOAP and 9032
20:40:03 <gpilz> TOPIC: approval of minutes from Feb 9th, 2010
20:40:08 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: minutes approved
20:40:27 <gpilz> TOPIC: issue 9032
20:40:43 <Dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Feb/0015.html
20:42:50 <gpilz> gil: describes proposal
20:43:04 <gpilz> bob: any probs with this proposal?
20:43:15 <Dug> s/will/MUST/ in transfer too
20:43:15 <gpilz> doug: there is a similar sentence in WS-T
20:43:21 <gpilz> ... can we change this as well?
20:43:40 <gpilz> ram: is that change in the chat room ???
20:43:58 <Dug> Transfer: When this operation is used to replace the entire XML representation, any OPTIONAL values (elements or attributes) not specified in the Put request message will be set to a resource-specific default value.
20:44:06 <gpilz> asir: can you pull in the exact text from WS-T that you propose to change?
20:44:15 <gpilz> doug: (above)
20:44:47 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: 9032 resolved with proposal plus additional, corresponding change to WS-Transfer
20:45:02 <gpilz> TOPIC: MOAP
20:45:17 <gpilz> bob: where are we on the mother of all proposals
20:45:28 <gpilz> doug: some of us had a phone call on Fri of last week
20:45:38 <gpilz> ... I sent out a slightly modified proposal for further review
20:45:48 <gpilz> ... but I haven't heard back yet; Asir?
20:45:57 <gpilz> Asir: we are reviewing the latest proposal
20:46:06 <gpilz> bob: are we more right than wrong at this point?
20:46:18 <gpilz> asir: I would suggest we discuss MOAP next week
20:46:29 <gpilz> ... maybe we will be in a position to discuss it then
20:46:41 <gpilz> bob: in that case, there is relatively little new business
20:46:43 <Dug> q+
20:46:51 <gpilz> ... unless people would like to tackle another issue . . .
20:47:00 <gpilz> doug: 8306?
20:47:16 <gpilz> bob: people objected to discussing issues that had previously been laid over to Last Call
20:47:33 <gpilz> doug: this issue wasn't opened up after the moratorium
20:47:49 <gpilz> ... we deferred it based on the idea that we didn't have time to discuss it
20:47:53 <gpilz> ... we have time now
20:48:05 <gpilz> bob: the WG decided to defer that issue until Last Call
20:48:32 <gpilz> ... the WG needs to decide to take it back
20:48:37 <gpilz> doug: I propose we do so
20:48:46 <Dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8306
20:48:54 <gpilz> ram: is there a proposal?
20:48:56 <gpilz> bob: yes
20:49:03 <gpilz> ram: I haven't had a chance to look at it yet
20:49:12 <gpilz> ... can I look at it and discuss it next week?
20:49:36 <asir> q+
20:49:41 <gpilz> TOPIC: schedule
20:49:41 <Dug> q-
20:50:11 <gpilz> bob: right now, we're coming up to a mid-march moratorium on publishing (something to do with the AC meeting)
20:50:22 <gpilz> ... the minimum Last Call interval is 3 weeks post publication
20:50:32 <gpilz> ... practically 3.5 to 4 weeks
20:50:56 <gpilz> ... in order for us to maintain our schedule of having a F2F at the end of Last Call
20:51:12 <gpilz> ... we need to vote/approve Last call by March 2nd
20:51:30 <gpilz> ... if people agree to this, we can keep the scheduled F2F
20:51:38 <Bob> ack asir
20:51:48 <gpilz> Asir: there are a couple more Frag issues to deal with as well
20:52:04 <gpilz> bob: there is no requirement (by process) that all specs be advanced simultaneously
20:52:43 <gpilz> asir: I'm not sure that 3 weeks is sufficient for other WGs to review
20:52:56 <gpilz> ... I also recall at the F2F that we should allow 6 weeks
20:53:10 <gpilz> bob: I was hoping for 6 weeks because you get more feedback
20:53:19 <gpilz> asir: we think 6 weeks is reasonable
20:53:32 <gpilz> bob: should we leave the next F2F to be open schedule?
20:53:32 <gpilz> q+
20:54:14 <asir> we agree
20:54:27 <gpilz> gil: i'm reluctant to have a F2F where there is nothing to talk about
20:54:43 <gpilz> bob: we have 2 frag issues, MOAP, and RFC 2119 on WS-Evd
20:55:11 <asir> If the WG could close on MOAP, then the WG could advance T, E, En and MEX 
20:55:19 <Dug> do have interop/test stuff to talk about?
20:55:21 <Bob> ack gpi
20:56:21 <gpilz> (all): continued discussion of F2F material
20:56:44 <gpilz> bob: requirements for F2F in that time frame (last week of March) are weak w/out Last Call issues
20:56:52 <Dug> q+
20:56:53 <gpilz> ... though we will need a F2F on testing
20:57:03 <Bob> ack dug
20:57:20 <gpilz> doug: I know there a couple big issues that may or may not get resolved before the F2F
20:57:44 <gpilz> ... but it seems silly to ignore the issues that have been deferred until Last Call, just because we put this stake in the ground
20:57:53 <gpilz> ... several of these issues are relatively minor
20:58:09 <Tom_Rutt> q+
20:58:13 <gpilz> bob: from a process point of view, its more important to tackle the substantive issues first
20:58:19 <Bob> ack tom
20:58:22 <gpilz> ... willing to tackle the minor things
20:58:34 <asir> q+
20:58:38 <gpilz> tom: if they are really simple things, its likely that reviewers will find them
20:58:42 <Katy> q+
20:58:48 <Bob> ack asir
20:58:51 <gpilz> ... this wastes "Last Call review cycles"
20:59:11 <gpilz> asir: if we just want to tell the world there is a bug in the spec, we can always just record an issue
20:59:12 <Bob> ack katy
20:59:21 <gpilz> karty: if we have time, we might as well be resolving issues
20:59:33 <gpilz> bob: let's take a look at the issue list
20:59:52 <gpilz> ... MOAP has a wide-ranging impact and is substantive
20:59:56 <gpilz> q+
21:01:06 <Bob> ack gp
21:01:58 <asir> suggest that we use additional cycles to resolve 8185 and 8193
21:02:34 <asir> q+
21:03:00 <Bob> ack asir
21:04:02 <Dug> 8886, 9031 are easy
21:04:11 <Dug> 8900 too
21:04:25 <asir> disagree that 9031 is easy
21:04:41 <gpilz> bob: people should look at new issues (8886, 8900, 9031)
21:05:35 <asir> q+ to ask a clarification
21:06:14 <gpilz> bob: I think we should cancel the March F2F
21:06:25 <gpilz> asir: should we meet in the middle of April?
21:06:46 <gpilz> bob: if we decide on a 6 week Last Call, we should plan a F2F for the end of that 6 week period
21:06:48 <gpilz> q+
21:07:03 <Bob> ack asir
21:07:03 <Zakim> asir, you wanted to ask a clarification
21:07:09 <Bob> ack gp
21:07:24 <asir> q+
21:08:07 <Bob> ack asir
21:08:21 <gpilz> gil: 6 (or 7) seven weeks is enough time to plan any travel
21:08:38 <gpilz> ... propose we defer any decision about next F2F until after we approve Last Call
21:08:45 <gpilz> asir: (agrees)
21:09:40 <gpilz> (all): misc. discussion of next F2F
21:09:47 <gpilz> asir: April 14-16th?
21:09:52 <gpilz> bob: tentatively
21:10:09 <gpilz> bob: April 13-15?
21:10:13 <gpilz> ... acceptable?
21:10:18 <gpilz> (all): silence
21:10:23 <asir> s/14-16th/13-15th/
21:10:44 <gpilz> RESOLTION: next F2F tentatively scheduled for April 13-15
21:10:48 <DaveS> bye
21:10:49 <gpilz> meeting adjorned
21:10:50 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:10:53 <asoldano> bye
21:10:53 <Zakim> -Gilbert
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21:11:15 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:11:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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21:12:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Doug_Davis, +984999aaaa, Bob_Freund, +39.331.574.aabb, asoldano, +1.908.696.aacc, li, +1.408.642.aadd, +1.703.860.aaee, [Microsoft], Gilbert, Ashok_Malhotra,
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