IRC log of svg on 2010-02-08

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19:59:16 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
19:59:16 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
19:59:17 [trackbot]: Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
19:59:17 [trackbot]: Date: 08 February 2010
19:59:28 [Zakim]: GA_SVGWG()3:00PM has now started
19:59:30 [Zakim]: +Shepazu
19:59:49 [Zakim]: +??P2
20:00:10 [jwatt]: Zakim, ?? is me
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20:01:32 [Zakim]: +??P3
20:01:39 [ed]: Zakim, ??P3 is me
20:01:39 [Zakim]: +ed; got it
20:02:08 [Zakim]: +??P4
20:02:18 [anthony]: Zakim, ??P4 is me
20:02:18 [Zakim]: +anthony; got it
20:07:18 [Zakim]: +??P6
20:07:58 [jwatt]: Zakim, ??P6 is me
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20:09:18 [Zakim]: +??P7
20:09:38 [anthony]: Zakim, ??P7
20:09:38 [Zakim]: I don't understand '??P7', anthony
20:09:51 [Zakim]: -jwatt.a
20:10:18 [Zakim]: +??P6
20:10:23 [Zakim]: +??P8
20:10:36 [ed]: Zakim, ??P6 is me
20:10:36 [Zakim]: +ed; got it
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20:12:40 [jwatt]: scribenick jwatt
20:12:46 [jwatt]: scribe Jonathan
20:13:03 [jwatt]: scribenick: jwatt
20:13:15 [ed]: chair: ed
20:13:18 [jwatt]: scribe: Jonathan
20:20:31 [ed]: topic: f2f meetings
20:21:02 [ed]: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Meetings
20:22:03 [ed]: preliminary dates: May 24 - 26 and May 31 - June 1
20:23:38 [jwatt]: DS: spread around Libre Graphics Meeting so that the LGM folks can attend the last day and provide input
20:24:27 [jwatt]: ED: doesn't look like we'll have a F2F in Q1
20:24:36 [jwatt]: DS: agreed
20:25:13 [jwatt]: JW: so the next F2F will be the LGM one
20:29:16 [ed]: topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0008.html #3F
20:29:32 [ed]: topic: SVGSVGElement 'width' and 'height'
20:30:37 [shepazu]: [[
20:30:44 [shepazu]: We're starting to get more concrete about the program of LGM. As said, you are more than welcome to use the spaces at Pianofabriek for the SVG meeting during LGM (and as artists / designers we are more than interested in the conversation too!); it would be good to know when you need what kind of space? How many people more or less?
20:30:45 [shepazu]: We have several larger and smaller spaces available between 27 and 30 May; the actual conference is most likely going to take place from 28 to 29 May. Depending on your needs, we might even book extra rooms; I just need to know in advance!
20:30:45 [shepazu]: ]]
20:32:12 [jwatt]: DS: it seems that he misunderstood and thinks we wanted to hold the F2F during the conference
20:32:20 [jwatt]: ...which isn't what we intended
20:35:04 [jwatt]: ...so I'll write and sort that out with him
20:35:14 [ed]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0021.html
20:35:19 [jwatt]: ED: so back to SVGSVGElement 'width' and 'height'
20:35:30 [jwatt]: ED: I sent the reply pasted just above
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20:35:35 [ed]: ACTION-2469?
20:35:35 [trackbot]: ACTION-2469 -- Jonathan Watt to flesh out the intrinsic sizing erratum with text backported from 1.2T -- due 2009-02-24 -- OPEN
20:35:35 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2469
20:36:57 [Zakim]: +ChrisL
20:37:08 [ChrisL]: rrsagent, here
20:37:08 [RRSAgent]: See http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-irc#T20-37-08
20:47:18 [ed]: topic: ACTION-2676
20:47:19 [jwatt]: JW: I'll work on getting the intrinsic sizing clarification backported to 1.1 2nd ed for monday
20:47:48 [ed]: ED: committed some new wording in svgdom.html, feel free to read and comment
20:47:59 [jwatt]: ACTION-2676?
20:47:59 [trackbot]: ACTION-2676 -- Erik Dahlström to fix the 1.1 second edition wording for values that are accessed where no attribute was provided, http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/svgdom.html#SVGDOMOverview and have it be NaN or 0 with unknown unit depending on the type of domobject -- due 2009-10-06 -- OPEN
20:47:59 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2676
20:48:15 [ed]: http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/svgdom-over-01-f.svg
20:48:58 [ed]: http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/svgdom.html
20:50:58 [jwatt]: topic: Proceeding with SVG 2.0
20:51:08 [jwatt]: DS: I put together a few pages
20:51:28 [jwatt]: ...duplicated the 1.2 Tiny directory
20:51:47 [jwatt]: ...this was a little while ago, so I forget how close I got to getting it to build
20:52:00 [jwatt]: ...the best thing for me to do is probably to just upload that
20:52:13 [jwatt]: ...I wouldn't mind working from a wiki for certain issues
20:52:51 [jwatt]: ...I think if we start putting things in the including issues and things like that, we may only *feel* like we're making progress
20:53:58 [jwatt]: ...we could have a spec convention or something to mark up areas of the spec that are in need of review
20:54:07 [jwatt]: ...add that as we make changes that need review
20:54:23 [jwatt]: CL: so put classes on divs etc
20:55:26 [jwatt]: ...we could have classes denoting text from 1.1, a class for text from 1.2 Tiny, a class for unreviewed new stuff
20:55:33 [jwatt]: DS: and a class for reviewed stuff
20:56:42 [jwatt]: ED: how far along with the framework are you
20:56:47 [jwatt]: DS: not very
20:57:01 [jwatt]: ...I didn't want to just copy 1.1 text
20:57:59 [jwatt]: ACTION: Doug to upload his start on the SVG 2.0 framework
20:58:00 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-2725 - Upload his start on the SVG 2.0 framework [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-02-15].
20:59:31 [jwatt]: JW: so what I'd like is a feed that gives you wiki style colored diffs of changes as they happen to the spec
21:00:09 [jwatt]: ...because looking through CVS changes is a pain, especally when you just changed a single word in a long line, etc
21:01:11 [ChrisL]: ChrisL has joined #svg
21:02:22 [jwatt]: DS: our systems team is really overloaded and not open or even able to work on something like that
21:02:36 [jwatt]: ...if we work on that I think we'd just end up hampering our efforts
21:03:07 [jwatt]: ...maybe if Mozilla could sponsor that (or even other better spec writing tools) then I'd really love that
21:03:19 [jwatt]: ...but right now we just don't have the budget
21:03:41 [jwatt]: ...and whatever was put is place would have to be something that the systems team could administer
21:04:24 [jwatt]: JW: I think if we pulled it off it would save time in the long run
21:04:28 [jwatt]: ...but point taken
21:04:46 [jwatt]: ED: when can you have the framework uploaded, Doug?
21:04:49 [jwatt]: DS: Thursday
21:05:33 [jwatt]: topic: SVG/CSS taskforce
21:06:03 [jwatt]: DS: so we haven't heard back from the CSS WG formally, but I believe they said "yes"
21:06:53 [jwatt]: ...since we can't meet with them in California because of scheduling conflicts, I'm going to suggest interested parties join in for 30 min or so on this or next Thursday's telcon
21:07:03 [jwatt]: ...next would probably be better
21:07:29 [jwatt]: ...we basically need to start meeting with one another to start making progress
21:07:44 [jwatt]: ...or it's going to fade into "that would have been a good idea"
21:08:18 [jwatt]: ...there's almost no overhead to create/dissolve a task force
21:08:50 [jwatt]: ...I can start a charter for it, and we can discuss it further on Thursday
21:09:06 [jwatt]: ...just for 30 min or so
21:09:12 [jwatt]: ...get the conversation started
21:10:01 [jwatt]: ACTION: Doug to start on a SVG/CSS taskforce charter, and invite the CSS WG to a Thursday telcon
21:10:01 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-2726 - Start on a SVG/CSS taskforce charter, and invite the CSS WG to a Thursday telcon [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-02-15].
21:14:52 [jwatt]: ED: we should look at the testsuite in more detail to make sure there are no bugs in it related to the recent emails regarding tests to the list
21:15:37 [ed]: (that was about www-svg feedback)
21:17:41 [jwatt]: topic: contentStyleType attribute
21:17:45 [jwatt]: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/styling.html#DefaultStyleSheetLanguage
21:18:51 [jwatt]: test is http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-elem-02-b.svg
21:19:23 [jwatt]: DS: XSL?
21:19:34 [jwatt]: CL: no, XSL isn't used inline like that
21:20:16 [jwatt]: ...so it would only be useful for a future styling language that would sweep away CSS
21:20:35 [jwatt]: ...so I'd be happy to deprecate it
21:25:09 [jwatt]: ACTION: jwatt to come up with text for SVG 1.1 2nd saying contentStyleType is deprecated
21:25:10 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-2727 - Come up with text for SVG 1.1 2nd saying contentStyleType is deprecated [on Jonathan Watt - due 2010-02-15].
21:25:23 [jwatt]: ...then we can obsolete it in 2.0
21:26:13 [Zakim]: -ChrisL
21:26:16 [Zakim]: -ed.a
21:26:17 [Zakim]: -??P7
21:26:19 [Zakim]: -??P8
21:26:30 [Zakim]: -Shepazu
21:26:37 [jwatt]: RRSAgent: publish minutes
21:26:37 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html jwatt
21:26:50 [jwatt]: RRSAgent: end telcon
21:26:50 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. I don't understand 'end telcon', jwatt. Try /msg RRSAgent help
21:28:24 [shepazu]: trackbot, end telcon
21:28:24 [trackbot]: Zakim, list attendees
21:28:24 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been Shepazu, jwatt, ed, anthony, ChrisL
21:28:25 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:28:25 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-minutes.html trackbot
21:28:26 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, bye
21:28:26 [RRSAgent]: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-actions.rdf :
21:28:26 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Doug to upload his start on the SVG 2.0 framework [1]
21:28:26 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-irc#T20-57-59
21:28:26 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Doug to start on a SVG/CSS taskforce charter, and invite the CSS WG to a Thursday telcon [2]
21:28:26 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-irc#T21-10-01
21:28:26 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jwatt to come up with text for SVG 1.1 2nd saying contentStyleType is deprecated [3]
21:28:26 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/08-svg-irc#T21-25-09