IRC log of tagmem on 2010-02-04

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Zakim, this will be TAG
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ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
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Date: 04 February 2010
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TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started
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+DanC
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chair: DanC
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regrets+ Noah_Mendelsohn
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+Jonathan_Rees
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+DKA
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+John_Kemp
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scribe: johnk_
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Topic: Convene
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18:02:28 [ht]
zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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+Ht
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+Raman
18:03:01 [johnk_]
DC: Can you scribe next week, Henry?
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HT: OK
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+Ashok_Malhotra
18:03:28 [DanC]
minutes ok? http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/01/28-minutes
18:04:43 [DanC]
"DKA: As a member of that WG, not sure I can concur "
18:04:57 [johnk_]
I can't understand DKA very much at all...
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-DKA
18:05:29 [DanC]
PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/01/28-minutes ammended to note that "DKA: As a member of that WG, not sure I can concur" should read "DKA: As a former member..."
18:05:47 [DanC]
DKA, is it enough to note the correction in today's minutes?
18:05:56 [DKA]
fine
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+Masinter
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+DKA
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zakim, mute me
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DKA should now be muted
18:07:07 [DanC]
PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/01/28-minutes ammended to note that "DKA: As a member of that WG, not sure I can concur" should read "DKA: As a former member..." and to note that the security stuff is unclear
18:07:39 [johnk_]
JK: I found the 'security' section unclear
18:07:44 [masinter]
if there are errors in the minutes, send the errors to me and i'll update
18:07:45 [DKA]
It should be "when I sat in on the first working group meeting as an observer"
18:07:46 [johnk_]
JK: Happy to just note that and move on
18:09:14 [DanC]
ACTION DanC: take approval of minutes 28 Jan offline
18:09:14 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-385 - Take approval of minutes 28 Jan offline [on Dan Connolly - due 2010-02-11].
18:09:18 [johnk_]
TVR: Take discussion offline
18:09:35 [DanC]
Topic: ISSUE-53: ACTION-231 & ACTION-232 conneg, generic resources
18:09:45 [DanC]
close ACTION-232
18:09:45 [trackbot]
ACTION-232 Follow-up to Hausenblas once there's a draft of HTTPbis which has advice on conneg closed
18:09:50 [johnk_]
LM: Sent a note to requestor - should close the item
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Topic: ISSUE-53: ACTION-231 & ACTION-232
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LM: Propose to close the actions
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HT: Why did we (re-) open this?
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HT: Conneg text hasn't changed, has it?
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LM: In editors draft
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2010JanMar/0033.html
18:11:21 [DanC]
I propose that HTTPbis changeset 745 section.4.p.5, along
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with the Nov 2006 finding, addresses our ISSUE-53, Generic Resources.
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http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/changeset/745
18:11:27 [jar]
ht, description of http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/53 seems pretty clear to me
18:11:51 [DanC]
so RESOLVED.
18:11:55 [johnk_]
HT: I'm happy with this
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CLOSE ACTION-231
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ACTION-231 Draft replacement for \"how to use conneg\" stuff in HTTP spec closed
18:12:17 [DanC]
Topic: ACTION-326: Polyglot documents
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action-326?
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ACTION-326 -- Henry S. Thompson to track HTML WG progress on their bug 8154 on polyglot documents -- due 2010-01-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/326
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DC: Done to my satisfaction
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"2010-01-12 15:11:08: The offending para has been removed: http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=4458&to=4459 [Henry S. Thompson] "
18:12:55 [johnk_]
DC: offending para has been removed, you (HT) wrote on Jan.12
18:13:30 [DanC]
close action-326
18:13:30 [trackbot]
ACTION-326 track HTML WG progress on their bug 8154 on polyglot documents closed
18:13:42 [DanC]
q+
18:13:42 [johnk_]
LM: Haven't understood about the doctype - whether there were actually valid polyglot docs
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HT: this was a very narrow issue
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LM: We still have an issue around polyglot documents
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ack danc
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agree to close action
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DC: Interested in XML well-formed
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HT: There might be other issues, but not under this action
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Topic: ISSUE-51 & ACTION-308: Propose updates to Authoritative Metadata and Self-Describing Web to acknowledge the reality of sniffing
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+TimBL
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q+
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JK: Ball is with the group
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LM: Additional status - I sent review comments regarding the sniffing draft
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LM: draft is inadequate
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http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abarth-mime-sniff-04
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tx
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ack masinter
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dated January 26, 2010
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("the issue"? which?)
18:18:23 [johnk_]
HT: there is another action on sniffing not linked from the sniffing issue
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HT: I sent changes to HTTPBis regarding sniffing
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action-370?
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ACTION-370 -- Henry S. Thompson to hST to send a revised-as-amended version of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG -- due 2009-12-24 -- CLOSED
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/370
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009OctDec/0346.html
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HT: At TAG request I sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009OctDec/0346.html
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"Such 'sniffing' SHOULD NOT be done unless there is evidence that the
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specified media type is in error"
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HT: Barth said OK
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q+ on use of 'correct type'
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HT: However, change was rejected by editor
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HT: We were asked whether we co-ordinated with HTML WG
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-TimBL
18:24:28 [masinter]
I am considering offering to rewrite barth-mime-sniff
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action-370?
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ACTION-370 -- Henry S. Thompson to hST to send a revised-as-amended version of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG -- due 2009-12-24 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/370
18:24:30 [johnk__]
DC: Can you pursue ACTION-370 HT?
18:24:54 [DanC]
action-370 due +2 weeks
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ACTION-370 HST to send a revised-as-amended version of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG due date now +2 weeks
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(arbitrarily; feel free to choose another date)
18:25:41 [johnk__]
LM: I don't like the sniffing document
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(henry, "the rest of us liked it" doesn't speak for me)
18:26:02 [ht]
HST would need to look at the f2f minutes
18:26:17 [masinter]
18:26:17 [masinter]
18:26:17 [masinter]
On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 15:17 -0800, Larry Masinter wrote:
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> I reviewed draft-abarth-mime-sniff-03 and sent it to the authors and
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> the IETF “apps-discuss”:
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>
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>
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>
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> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg01250.html
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>
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>
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>
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> (ReferenceISSUE-24 and ACTION-308)
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>
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> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/24
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>
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> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/308
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>
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18:27:19 [DanC]
("improvement" can still lead to something I don't like. 1/2 ;-)
18:27:37 [DanC]
ack masinter
18:27:37 [Zakim]
masinter, you wanted to comment on use of 'correct type'
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/09/24-minutes#item03
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minutes from f2f where we created ACTION-308
18:28:15 [DanC]
tx
18:28:45 [johnk__]
LM: Notion that the file has a "correct type" is wrong
18:29:04 [johnk__]
LM: You're making guesses about what the author intended
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q+
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LM: language of "correctness" is wrong
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q+ to ask lmm about the status quo which relies on something other than what's in the content-type header
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ack me
18:29:49 [Zakim]
DanC, you wanted to ask lmm about the status quo which relies on something other than what's in the content-type header
18:29:52 [johnk__]
LM: if someone tells you it's text/plain and you guess something else, this is your peril
18:30:23 [johnk__]
DC: community standard is that web content providers rely somewhat that the consumer will consult more than content-type
18:30:27 [johnk__]
LM: Not sure that's true
18:30:50 [johnk__]
DC: I know they didn't consider it, but if you took it away they'll be shocked
18:31:14 [jar]
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/155 was closed 6 months ago... adam's 1st draft was july 13 ... not clear whether the httpwg talked about it (trying to understand whether there's new information for httpwg)
18:31:28 [johnk__]
DC: Is it more cost-effective to specify what's going on, or to move the community away fromthis reliance?
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DC: The latter seems expensive, perhaps not possible
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LM: value of reverse engineering decays over time
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DC: Would be happy to see an alternative draft
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LM: Happy to propose alternatives
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LM: Recommend that the TAG does not update our findings to reference the current sniffing draft
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LM: needs to be opt-in mech as well as uniform and secure
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LM: set of criteria need to be met
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(can anybody write down the criteria lmm said?)
18:37:23 [johnk__]
LM: reluctant to recommend sniffing until we have a good algorithm
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LM: "fine-grained opt-in"
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LM: happy to review barth sniffing draft 4 and suggest any necessary follw-up to TAG
18:39:10 [DanC]
ACTION larry: review draft-barth-sniff-4 and send comments, cc TAG
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Created ACTION-386 - Review draft-barth-sniff-4 and send comments, cc TAG [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-02-11].
18:39:16 [johnk__]
s/follw/follow/
18:39:28 [DanC]
ACTION-308?
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ACTION-308 -- John Kemp to propose updates to Authoritative Metadata and Self-Describing Web to acknowledge the reality of sniffing -- due 2010-01-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/308
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close ACTION-308
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ACTION-308 Propose updates to Authoritative Metadata and Self-Describing Web to acknowledge the reality of sniffing closed
18:43:00 [DanC]
Zakim, pick a victim
18:43:00 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jonathan_Rees
18:43:30 [johnk__]
JK: Would like the group to review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0025.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0028.html
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HT: Will take a look
18:44:54 [DanC]
ACTION Henry: review JK/NM's stuff on sniffing, authoritative metadata, self-describing web, incl. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0025.html
18:44:54 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-387 - Review JK/NM's stuff on sniffing, authoritative metadata, self-describing web, incl. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0025.html [on Henry S. Thompson - due 2010-02-11].
18:46:02 [DanC]
issue-24?
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ISSUE-24 -- Can a specification include rules for overriding HTTPcontent type parameters? -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/24
18:46:04 [DKA]
zakim, unmute me
18:46:04 [Zakim]
DKA should no longer be muted
18:46:10 [DanC]
ACTION-376?
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ACTION-376 -- Daniel Appelquist to send to www-tag a pointer to and brief summary of Mobile Web Best Practices working group's "Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies" and its implications for content sniffing : http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/376
18:46:47 [johnk__]
DC: Related to content-type override issue
18:46:58 [DKA]
zakim, mute me
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DKA should now be muted
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DC: DKA - content transformation proxies?
18:47:18 [DanC]
Topic: ACTION-278: Draft changes to 2.7 of Metadata in URIs to cover the "Google Calendar" case
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DKA: Later...
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action-278?
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ACTION-278 -- Jonathan Rees to draft changes to 2.7 of Metadata in URIs to cover the "Google Calendar" case -- due 2010-02-04 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/278
18:47:49 [johnk__]
JAR: Can continue my action 278
18:47:58 [johnk__]
JAR: Change the due date
18:47:59 [jar]
action-278 due 2010-02-09
18:47:59 [trackbot]
ACTION-278 Draft changes to 2.7 of Metadata in URIs to cover the "Google Calendar" case due date now 2010-02-09
18:48:44 [johnk__]
LM: Thinking about this a lot
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LM: What distinguishes capability-based system and what is proposed here is...
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LM: If you have a resource, you should have one URI
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(indeed, there's a tension with aliasing)
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LM: Capability URI is not usable for an "access control system"
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LM: If you combine the key with the URI, you can't do lots of things (expire the key without expiring the URI for example)
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LM: Confidential in the finding means something really quite strong
18:50:57 [johnk__]
LM: Another use pattern where the information is not confidential, but not widely known
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LM: I don't really care if people can read my calendar
18:51:26 [johnk__]
LM: Not really confidential
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DC: No sharp distinction between that and passwords
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DC: Counting on you not to pass it around
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LM: I can change the password without changing the calendar URI
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LM: It's the address as well as the capability
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DC: Large random numbers can be revoked
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DC: Rethink "don't make aliases"
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LM: That _is_ one of the conflicts
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LM: The other is that infrastructure of the web assumes it's ok to make easily available URIs (in logs etc.)
18:53:33 [ht]
q+ to gloss larry's point as revocation is willfully breaking a URI
18:54:32 [johnk__]
TVR: Not a useful question to answer
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ack ht
18:54:37 [Zakim]
ht, you wanted to gloss larry's point as revocation is willfully breaking a URI
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q?
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HT: if you put a large random number in a uri, it says that URI identifies a resource
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HT: you shouldn't ever revoke that capability
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HT: so you can't easily say that a URI can be revoked
18:56:01 [johnk__]
DC: 403/410 them, not 404
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HT: It seems you're "cheating" - if you name a resource, and then remove access to the resource at that URI
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DC: I'm persuaded that capability URIs are OK...
18:57:53 [DanC]
("actual access control method" is needlessly pejorative... closed-minded, even.)
18:58:04 [jar]
lm: Three cases (a) public, (b) obscure, (c) confidential
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-Masinter
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LM: I see that use of capability URIs are for non-confidential cases
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+Masinter
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JAR: Not sure what Tyler thinks of Larry's distinction
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JAR: Would like to write up the "unsubscribe" case
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have a hard stop, ened to bale.
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-Raman
18:59:44 [johnk__]
DC: we did write that up
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DC: GET/POST finding
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19:00:26 [DanC]
Topic: ACTION-354: Client side storage APIs
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action-354?
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ACTION-354 -- Ashok Malhotra to review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about -- due 2010-01-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/354
19:01:03 [johnk__]
AM: Two client-side storage API specs.
19:01:10 [DanC]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0008.html TAG Action-354 Review client-side storage API’s
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AM: should have a better story than "cookies"
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AM: name/value pairs should be made more useful
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AM: I only looked at the two possible cookie storage replacements
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DC: Just talking about a different use-case
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AM: there's also a caching API spec and a web storage spec.
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AM: I've not yet looked at these
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DC: Would like to know about these APIs and how they compare
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AM: Many documents seem to explore this client-side storage case
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AM: reviewed 'index' API, 'web SQL' API
19:04:40 [jar]
indexed api and web sql api
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WebSQLDatabase and Indexed Database API
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AM: WebSQL API is not really a spec...
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AM: Based on SQLLite database
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http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/
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AM: Can look at the other ones, but with what goal?
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DC: Is there room in webarch for all of these?
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Action-354: ashok to look at caching api, etc. as well
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ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about notes added
19:07:45 [DanC]
action-354: and web storage
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ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about notes added
19:07:58 [DanC]
action-354 due +2 weeks
19:07:58 [trackbot]
ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about due date now +2 weeks
19:08:15 [DanC]
Topic: ISSUE-41 & ACTION-369: Shorter document on version indicators
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action-369?
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ACTION-369 -- Larry Masinter to write a shorter document on version indicators -- due 2010-02-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/369
19:08:54 [johnk__]
DC: Larry wrote a short document on version identifiers, and I reviewed it
19:09:05 [johnk__]
LM: Have not incorporated your comments
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LM: Suggest we postpone
19:09:54 [johnk__]
LM: This is related to polyglot docs
19:09:54 [DanC]
subject of my review msg was something like "can't get behind DOCTYPE-based proposal"
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LM: would like conforming xhtml to be conforming html when a doctype is present
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LM: (regarding quirks mode, I missed this mostly)
19:11:22 [masinter]
trying to speak to the polyglot issue
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HT: all kinds of things wrong with the section about doctypes
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DC: W3C validator will take a document without a system identifier...
19:12:21 [masinter]
I'm asking for help with http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/171
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ACTION-364?
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ACTION-364 -- Dan Connolly to ask HTML WG team contacts to make a change proposal re issue-53 mediatypereg informed by HT's analysis and today's discussion -- due 2010-02-09 -- OPEN
19:12:48 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/364
19:13:06 [DanC]
ACTION-334?
19:13:06 [trackbot]
ACTION-334 -- Henry S. Thompson to start an email thread regarding the treatment of pre-HTML5 versions in the media type registration text of HTML5 -- due 2009-12-02 -- CLOSED
19:13:06 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/334
19:14:01 [johnk__]
HT: difference between browser behaviour and "meaning" of HTML documents
19:14:16 [DanC]
action-364 due +1 week
19:14:16 [trackbot]
ACTION-364 Ask HTML WG team contacts to make a change proposal re issue-53 mediatypereg informed by HT's analysis and today's discussion due date now +1 week
19:14:26 [Zakim]
-Ht
19:14:37 [DanC]
Zakim, pick a victim
19:14:37 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose John_Kemp
19:15:01 [DanC]
Zakim, pick a victim
19:15:01 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
19:15:05 [DanC]
Zakim, pick a victim
19:15:05 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
19:15:07 [DanC]
Zakim, pick a victim
19:15:07 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jonathan_Rees
19:15:43 [johnk__]
DC: can you review 0015 JAR?
19:16:06 [DanC]
ACTION JAR: take a look at LMM's doctype/versioning proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0015.html
19:16:06 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-388 - Take a look at LMM's doctype/versioning proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0015.html [on Jonathan Rees - due 2010-02-11].
19:17:36 [DKA]
q+ to ask for feedback on the Geo / DAP response I sent...
19:17:58 [DanC]
Topic: misc action review
19:18:01 [DanC]
action-354?
19:18:01 [trackbot]
ACTION-354 -- Ashok Malhotra to review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN
19:18:01 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/354
19:18:19 [DKA]
q-
19:18:43 [johnk__]
AM: There's a note from mnot asking "why are they doing this?"
19:19:31 [johnk__]
DC: Do we want to talk about resource/representation?
19:19:35 [Ashok]
ACTION-354: Discuss MNot note when we next discuss this action
19:19:35 [trackbot]
ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about notes added
19:19:36 [johnk__]
LM: Yes
19:20:12 [johnk__]
JAR: can talk more in email...
19:20:25 [johnk__]
DC: shall we adjourn?
19:20:40 [DKA]
zakim, unmute me
19:20:40 [Zakim]
DKA should no longer be muted
19:20:50 [DanC]
ACTION Larry: take Dan's proposal on resource/representation and turn it into a change proposal
19:20:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-389 - Take Dan's proposal on resource/representation and turn it into a change proposal [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-02-11].
19:20:57 [DanC]
close ACTION-378 (edit)
19:21:00 [DanC]
close ACTION-378
19:21:00 [trackbot]
ACTION-378 Draft suggested text re resource/representation in HTML 5 for discussion with LMM and JAR closed
19:21:13 [DanC]
Topic: resource/representation
19:21:16 [johnk__]
LM: One more thing....
19:21:41 [DanC]
Topic: HTML Microdata publication news
19:21:41 [johnk__]
LM: HTML WG is considering publishing microdata and RDFa FPWDs
19:21:59 [johnk__]
LM: Vocabularies have "popped back in"
19:22:23 [johnk__]
ADJOURN
19:23:52 [Zakim]
-DanC
19:23:54 [Zakim]
-Jonathan_Rees
19:23:57 [Zakim]
-Masinter
19:24:00 [Zakim]
-DKA
19:24:06 [Zakim]
-John_Kemp
19:24:22 [Zakim]
-Ashok_Malhotra
19:24:23 [Zakim]
TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
19:24:25 [Zakim]
Attendees were DanC, Jonathan_Rees, DKA, John_Kemp, Ht, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, Masinter, TimBL
19:24:34 [jar]
Looking for an action on LMM to draft an html5 change request with DanC's work as input...
19:25:11 [jar]
oh i see it now.
19:29:49 [DanC]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
19:29:49 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/04-tagmem-minutes.html DanC
19:33:24 [jar]
"Broad issues of data protection such as preventing unauthorized access to an individuals' bookmarks (or cookies, for that matter) lie beyond the scope of Web architecture."
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20:13:02 [DanC]
action-378: see action-389 for follow-up
20:13:02 [trackbot]
ACTION-378 Draft suggested text re resource/representation in HTML 5 for discussion with LMM and JAR notes added
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20:23:43 [DanC]
ACTION-383 due +2 weeks
20:23:43 [trackbot]
ACTION-383 Review DanC's email on speaks_for due date now +2 weeks
20:24:17 [DanC]
ACTION-322 due 9 Feb
20:24:17 [trackbot]
ACTION-322 Ask W3C management for writing resources re hyperlinking due date now 9 Feb
20:25:19 [DanC]
ACTION-382 due +2 weeks
20:25:19 [trackbot]
ACTION-382 Review Web Arch web material and make proposals for changes or TAG action due date now +2 weeks
20:26:13 [DanC]
ACTION-369: for follow-up, see ACTION-388
20:26:14 [trackbot]
ACTION-369 Write a shorter document on version indicators notes added
20:26:19 [DanC]
close action-369
20:26:19 [trackbot]
ACTION-369 Write a shorter document on version indicators closed
20:28:38 [DanC]
ACTION-349: for follow-up, see ACTION-383
20:28:38 [trackbot]
ACTION-349 Write up speaks_for applied to httpRedirections and httpRange using motivating examples notes added
20:28:45 [DanC]
close ACTION-349
20:28:45 [trackbot]
ACTION-349 Write up speaks_for applied to httpRedirections and httpRange using motivating examples closed
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