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19:44:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
19:44:45 <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2010
19:45:04 <Holger> Regrets: Luis
19:45:12 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
19:45:21 <Holger> agenda+ Actions from last meeting
19:45:28 <Holger> agenda+ XG Report-Charter-etc.
19:45:37 <Holger> agenda+ What happened in Dagstuhl?
19:45:43 <Holger> agenda+ Next steps for SSN Ontology
19:45:49 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
19:45:55 <Holger> Chair: Holger
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20:01:56 <Manfred_DERI> zakim, who is here?
20:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, Payam, +1.206.662.aaaa, [IPcaller], AdrianP, Arthur, krzysztof_j
20:01:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see kerry, krzysztof_j, krp, kelsey, Manfred_DERI, Arthur, Danh_DERI, Zakim, RRSAgent, Holger, Payam, trackbot
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20:03:27 <Manfred_DERI> i may have to leave early today (and possibly abrupt) - 2 sick kids ...
20:03:38 <Manfred_DERI> sorry
20:03:50 <Holger> not a problem
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20:05:44 <Holger> agenda?
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20:07:33 <laurent_oz> [IPcaller] is laurent_oz
20:07:53 <Holger> ScribeNick: kelsey
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20:14:48 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/charter#deliverables
20:14:52 <kelsey2> Holger, lost my irc connection under kelsey (currently scribe) and am reconnected under kelsey2
20:15:01 <Holger> ScribeNick: kelsey2
20:15:23 <krp> 2. How mappings can be constructed both from these ontolgies to existing standards and from suitably annotated documents complying with existing standards to the ontologies.
20:22:56 <krp> +q
20:24:07 <Holger> ack krp
20:25:01 <kelsey2> Topic:  discussion of 2nd deliverable:  leave as-is, remove, re-write (also discussion re: "harmonizing", see mailing list).
20:25:46 <laurent_oz> See also http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/The_Report_in_Progress#Deliverables
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20:28:50 <michael> +q
20:29:05 <Holger> ack michael
20:29:31 <krzysztof_j> ack
20:31:34 <Holger> vote on option 'do not change wording of del 2'
20:31:55 <Payam> -1
20:31:56 <krp> -1
20:31:56 <Holger> -1
20:31:58 <kelsey3> -1
20:31:59 <michael> -1
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20:32:00 <cory> -1
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20:32:05 <Danh_DERI> -1
20:32:09 <laurent_oz> 0
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20:32:50 <Holger> vote on option 'delete del 2'
20:33:05 <krp> What is the deliverable (specifically) in "demonstrate"?
20:36:14 <krp> So in the latter demonstrate = document (ok)
20:37:13 <Holger> vote on option 'delete del 2'
20:37:25 <krzysztof_j> -1
20:37:27 <Payam> -1
20:37:29 <krp> -1
20:37:31 <michael> -1
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20:37:35 <kerry> -1
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20:38:52 <Payam> I can do this
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20:39:03 <Manfred_DERI> thanks!
20:39:07 <Holger> ScribeNick: Payam
20:39:36 <Payam> we decided to change the wording for deliverable 2
20:39:42 <Payam> and we decided not to delet it
20:40:17 <Payam> option3: demonstrate its relationships to OGC sensor web enablement standards
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20:40:56 <Payam> Kerry: this very close to what we are currently doing
20:41:21 <krzysztof_j> (maybe "investigate" instead of "demonstrate" as demonstrate sound like having many examples, demos,....)
20:41:38 <krp> Demonstrating the relationship to OGC SWE doesn't preclude demonstrating the relationship to anything else or more specific... just sets our minimum... so good to keep it open like this
20:41:49 <Payam> Kerry: to use the word demonstrate 
20:41:57 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:42:03 <krp> (and yes, krzysztof, demonstrate comes across the same to me)
20:42:28 <Payam> Holger: demostrating the relationships with examples? 
20:42:39 <Manfred_DERI> investigate sounds very weak to me without us expecting a clear outcome
20:42:59 <Payam> Kerry: no, using examples plus using referencing to other standards and documenting where the terms and concepts come from
20:42:59 <Manfred_DERI> i.e., no commitment
20:43:05 <krp> Also think it's good to keep this distinct from the annotation in the 3rd deliverable.
20:43:24 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:44:05 <Payam> krzysztof_j: Demonstrate may be an application oriented context, e.g a prototype 
20:44:05 <krp> Document? (though of course, that comes from the context of being in a document!)
20:44:09 <Manfred_DERI> +q
20:44:35 <Holger> ack Manfred_DERI
20:44:46 <krzysztof_j> and how do you show?
20:45:01 <krp> with a mapping? ;)
20:45:05 <krzysztof_j> ;-)
20:45:09 <Payam> Manfred: Demonstrate is showing the approach showing that it works not nessaccerily providing an implmentation
20:45:43 <Payam> Manfred: we don not need to do a formal evaluation 
20:46:01 <Manfred_DERI> -q
20:46:42 <Payam> Manfred: evaluate will be too formal
20:47:14 <Manfred_DERI> also weak, IMHO
20:47:42 <Manfred_DERI> +q
20:47:58 <Holger> ack Manfred_DERI
20:48:16 <Payam> descibe would be a weak terminology
20:48:25 <Payam> What about illustrate?
20:48:48 <krzysztof_j> ack
20:48:52 <Manfred_DERI> +1
20:48:54 <krp> +1
20:49:22 <Payam> now we have suggestions to use words "demonstrate" or "illustrate"
20:51:02 <Payam> voting on "illustrate", "describe", "demonstrate", "document", "investigate", 
20:51:08 <Payam> "evaluate"
20:52:45 <Payam> we have a vonte on illustrate and demonstrate:
20:52:53 <Payam> the proposal is illusatrate
20:53:02 <Payam> ye
20:53:02 <krzysztof_j>  +1 (illustrate)
20:53:04 <krp> +1
20:53:05 <Manfred_DERI> +1
20:53:06 <cory> +1
20:53:07 <Payam> +1
20:53:07 <michael> 0
20:53:10 <Arthur> +1
20:53:13 <Danh_DERI> +1(illustrate)
20:53:14 <Holger> 0
20:53:21 <laurent_oz> 0
20:53:52 <Payam> the word will be "illustrate"
20:54:35 <Payam> The phrase is "illustrates it relationships to OGC Sensor Web Enablement standards
20:54:42 <michael> +1
20:54:53 <Payam> "illustrates itsw relationships to OGC Sensor Web Enablement standards
20:54:53 <michael> ...it's
20:55:03 <michael> sorry 'its'
20:55:14 <Manfred_DERI> +1
20:55:19 <Payam> +1
20:55:54 <Payam> we are voting on " illustrates its relationships to OGC Sensor Web Enablement standards
20:56:03 <Manfred_DERI> +1
20:56:03 <krzysztof_j> +1
20:56:03 <Arthur> +1
20:56:04 <krp> +1
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20:56:05 <cory> +1
20:56:05 <Payam> +1
20:56:06 <michael> +1
20:56:09 <laurent_oz> 0
20:56:09 <Holger> +1
20:56:11 <kerry> +1
20:56:48 <Payam> we agreed on the phrase: " illustrates its relationships to OGC Sensor Web Enablement standards
20:57:09 <Payam> we now discuss how long to extend
20:57:38 <Payam> we are voting on: 
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20:58:28 <Payam> we request WC3 to extend the term of the Incubator group
20:58:52 <Holger> +1
20:58:54 <Payam> let's vote:
20:58:57 <Payam> +1
20:58:57 <kerry> +1
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20:59:01 <Danh_DERI> 0
20:59:15 <laurent_oz> +1
20:59:32 <Payam> We agreed to request for an extention
20:59:56 <Payam> the 2nd issue: how long to extend to
21:00:18 <Payam> Kerry: 6 month?
21:00:20 <laurent_oz> +q
21:00:22 <Payam> months
21:00:23 <Manfred_DERI> I am not sure if we will get 6 months
21:00:41 <Manfred_DERI> did other XGs get 6 months?
21:00:56 <Holger> ack laurent_oz
21:01:17 <Manfred_DERI> if we want 6 months we have to provide a clear time plan IMHO
21:02:27 <Payam> Kerry: we can apply for a 4 to 6 months extention
21:03:02 <Payam> +q
21:03:04 <Manfred_DERI> +q
21:03:21 <Manfred_DERI> -q
21:03:38 <Manfred_DERI> ok, that sounds ok then
21:03:58 <Holger> ack Payam
21:04:21 <Payam> sounds ok
21:05:15 <Payam> voting on 6 months extention
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21:05:53 <laurent_oz> +1 
21:06:05 <Payam> We agreed to request for a 6 months extention
21:06:36 <Payam> Action: Kerry will bring it forward to W3C
21:06:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Will bring it forward to W3C [on Kerry Taylor - due 2010-02-09].
21:07:59 <laurent_oz> +q
21:08:13 <Payam> Action: Kerry will bring the 6 months extention request forward to W3C
21:08:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Will bring the 6 months extention request forward to W3C [on Kerry Taylor - due 2010-02-09].
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21:09:49 <Holger> ack laurent_oz
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21:10:16 <Zakim> -Payam
21:10:17 <krzysztof_j> bye
21:10:19 <Zakim> -kelsey
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21:10:25 <Zakim> -Manfred_DERI
21:10:29 <Holger> zakim, bye 
21:10:29 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, Payam, AdrianP, Arthur, krzysztof_j, Manfred_DERI, krp, kelsey, michael, kerry, cory, [IPcaller]
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21:10:36 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public
21:10:43 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes 
21:10:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-ssn-minutes.html Holger
21:11:03 <Holger> rrsagent, bye
21:11:03 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-ssn-actions.rdf :
21:11:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kerry will bring it forward to W3C [1]
21:11:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-ssn-irc#T21-06-36
21:11:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kerry will bring the 6 months extention request forward to W3C [2]
21:11:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-ssn-irc#T21-08-13