IRC log of webapps on 2010-01-27

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be DOM3

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ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 27 January 2010

19:00:09 [Zakim]

IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has now started

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+Shepazu

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+[Microsoft]

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19:02:20 [smaug]

oops

19:02:23 [smaug]

just a second..

19:04:16 [Zakim]

+??P7

19:04:34 [smaug]

Zakim, ??P7 is me

19:04:34 [Zakim]

+smaug; got it

19:04:49 [smaug]

Zakim, smaug is Olli_Pettay

19:04:49 [Zakim]

+Olli_Pettay; got it

19:06:10 [shepazu]

http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-flow-activation

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scribe: Travis

19:09:29 [Travis]

scribeNick: Travis

19:09:34 [Travis]

Topic: Updated Draft

19:09:50 [Travis]

shepazu: clarified the section on activation behavior.

19:09:58 [Travis]

... wrote a new section on "trusted events"

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... also added some prose about syncronous vs. asynchronous events

19:14:34 [Travis]

... is the Trusted event section accurate?

19:14:55 [Travis]

You're missing dispatchEvent -- it'll always create un-trusted events

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Topic: Internationalization

19:31:26 [Travis]

shepazu: Need to examine whether the convertKeyValue API is needed.

19:31:42 [Travis]

.... I will be meeting with internationalization folks to follow up on the scenarios.

19:32:03 [Travis]

... Also, want to figure out what the appropriate terminology is for the "character" returned by the 'key' API.

19:34:03 [Travis]

Topic: select element context info issue

19:34:29 [Travis]

Travis: We have an issue about how to get the context from a select event.

19:34:44 [Travis]

shepazu: Don't think this is a blocking issue.

19:35:28 [Travis]

Action: shepazu Ask SVG and HTML WGs what their recommended approach is for getting the selected text (related to select event)

19:35:28 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-481 - Ask SVG and HTML WGs what their recommended approach is for getting the selected text (related to select event) [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-02-03].

19:40:10 [Travis]

Action: Travis to draft flow diagram for interaction between focus(), blur() APIs and focus/blur events (including focusin/focusout)

19:40:10 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-482 - Draft flow diagram for interaction between focus(), blur() APIs and focus/blur events (including focusin/focusout) [on Travis Leithead - due 2010-02-03].

19:43:23 [Travis]

Topic: wheel event and default actions

19:51:06 [Travis]

Resolution: Remove MouseWheel interface, and replace with a description of legacy events (DOMPixelScroll, mousewheel, etc.) in the wheel event's section

19:51:49 [Travis]

Travis: I concur

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smaug: Yes, I agree too.

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Topic: initEvents

19:53:10 [shepazu]

http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-DocumentEvent-createEvent

19:58:05 [Travis]

smaug: I have a couple of issues with this.

19:58:27 [Travis]

... first the createEvent can now take event type names.

20:01:48 [Travis]

shepazu: Reason to change this was the proliferation of init*Events on every interface.

20:08:52 [Travis]

Reason I see to change this is for the use case of wanting a simple way to initialize only _some_ of the properties on a given event and leave the other properties as their defaults.

20:12:19 [smaug]

http://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-view/#extensions-to-the-mouseevent-interface

20:15:19 [Travis]

When authors init events, there are just some properties that can't be initialized (because they're not in the init's param list)

20:15:59 [Travis]

I'd like you to add wording about what the default values are (generally) for an un-inited event.

20:16:25 [Travis]

Also, please revert back to the old init* APIs--I just don't think its time to take on that problem yet.

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(In the future, I could see some kind of initParam("eventProperty", "eventPropertyValue")

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)

20:18:31 [Travis]

I'd like to better understand the patterns that web developers are using here.

20:21:08 [Travis]

Topic: Spec Next Steps

20:21:38 [Travis]

shepazu: Assuming we get to CR, we're going to need a test suite and two interoperable implementations

20:22:02 [Travis]

... I'd love to see a script library available that allows these features to be used right away.

20:23:12 [Travis]

... I'll be looking for help with building tests

20:23:37 [Travis]

... In the next two weeks lets try to clean-up all remaining spec issues.

20:25:02 [shepazu]

SENSE

20:25:02 [shepazu]

Signalling Events and Notifications by Selector Expressions

20:25:03 [shepazu]

Simple Eventless Notifications by Selector Expressions

20:25:51 [Travis]

Action: shepazu to Email the list regarding reverting event initializers (to be tackled next version) and call for use cases.

20:25:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-483 - Email the list regarding reverting event initializers (to be tackled next version) and call for use cases. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-02-03].

20:26:46 [Travis]

shepazu: I think I could have most of the issues resovlved by next week. I will proceed with that goal.

20:28:52 [Travis]

... Let me know if there's anything outstanding.

20:31:26 [Zakim]

-Olli_Pettay

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-[Microsoft]

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-Shepazu

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IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Shepazu, [Microsoft], Olli_Pettay

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trackbot, end telcon

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Zakim, list attendees

20:32:00 [Zakim]

sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

20:32:01 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: shepazu Ask SVG and HTML WGs what their recommended approach is for getting the selected text (related to select event) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-irc#T19-35-28

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ACTION: Travis to draft flow diagram for interaction between focus(), blur() APIs and focus/blur events (including focusin/focusout) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-irc#T19-40-10

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ACTION: shepazu to Email the list regarding reverting event initializers (to be tackled next version) and call for use cases. [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-irc#T20-25-51