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10:03:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
10:03:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
10:03:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
10:03:48 <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2010
10:03:54 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
10:04:03 <Zakim> +raphael
10:04:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:04:38 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0064.html
10:04:45 <raphael> Regrets: Jack, Yves, Michael
10:04:51 <raphael> Chair: Raphael, Eric
10:04:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:05:06 <Zakim> + +0329331aaaa
10:05:22 <davy> Zakim, aaaa is Erik
10:05:22 <Zakim> +Erik; got it
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10:05:35 <davy> Zakim, Davy is with Erik
10:05:35 <Zakim> +Davy; got it
10:08:11 <raphael> Conrad, are you reading IRC only?
10:08:43 <raphael> Present: Erik, Davy, Raphael, Conrad (IRC), Silvia
10:08:54 <raphael> Scribe: Raphael
10:09:00 <raphael> scribenick: raphael
10:09:03 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
10:10:04 <Zakim> + +06128012aabb
10:10:54 <silvia> zakim, aabb is me
10:10:54 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
10:11:08 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 20 January 2009 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html?
10:11:14 <davy> +1
10:11:15 <Zakim> +Thierry
10:11:19 <raphael> +1
10:11:32 <raphael> ACTION-127?
10:11:32 <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Yves Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 -- OPEN
10:11:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127
10:11:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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10:11:57 <raphael> Minutes of 24/01 are accepted
10:12:00 <raphael> ACTION-127?
10:12:00 <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Yves Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 -- OPEN
10:12:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127
10:12:25 <raphael> Thierry is taking care of that
10:13:00 <raphael> Thierry: we discuss yesterday the charter, and Philippe agree to one year extension for working on Media Fragment 1.0 only
10:13:18 <raphael> ... I made the request today to W3M
10:13:33 <raphael> ... I expect a positive answer since the domain leader agrees
10:13:52 <raphael> ... I and Philippe emphasize we need to go to last call asap
10:14:12 <silvia> zakim, mute me
10:14:12 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
10:14:54 <raphael> Goal: important f2f next month, try to solve all issues in order to be prepared to be last call in March
10:15:14 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
10:15:14 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
10:15:35 <raphael> Topic: F2F Meeting
10:15:46 <raphael> Draft agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda
10:17:08 <raphael> Erik: I will update the venue details on the wiki
10:18:30 <raphael> Thierry: I will book zakim for these 2 days
10:18:49 <raphael> ... 08 and 09 March, 08:00 AM till 18:00 PM European time
10:19:03 <silvia> zakim, mute me
10:19:03 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
10:20:07 <raphael> Raphael: please, enter topic of discussion of things you would like to have sorted out during the f2f meeting
10:20:19 <raphael> ... ALL, complete http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda#Agenda_Preparation
10:21:04 <raphael> Topic: 3. Discussion
10:21:38 <raphael> Silvia: I pointed out a weird character in the document
10:21:52 <raphael> Raphael: might be an encoding problem ... UTF-8 displays solves it
10:22:15 <raphael> ACTION: troncy to fix the weird character in the spec document
10:22:15 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - troncy
10:22:21 <raphael> trackbot, status
10:23:18 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
10:23:18 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
10:24:35 <raphael> Silvia: feedback from FOMS
10:24:57 <raphael> ... discussion about Focus Attention behavior
10:25:15 <raphael> ... see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0055.html
10:25:31 <raphael> ... discussion between Conrad, I and Mozilla firefox developers and Philip
10:25:55 <raphael> ... we need to look at the # as a focus in the player
10:26:15 <raphael> ... comes back at the in-context / out-of-context previous discussion
10:26:54 <raphael> ... we should recommend what a UA should do in the UI when it is displaying a media fragment
10:28:07 <raphael> Davy: for the spatial fragment, you will recommend that a UA will draw a rectangle on the region ?
10:28:37 <raphael> Silvia: A browser can always overrule what we say
10:28:57 <raphael> ... we haven't really dicussed spatial fragments rendering
10:29:16 <raphael> ... spatial is anyways very spatial, is it really a fragment ?
10:29:31 <raphael> ... we have discussed the temporal fragment, 99% of our use cases :-)
10:30:24 <raphael> Raphael: I agree, let's focus on the temporal fragment rendering in UI
10:30:29 <raphael> ... I'm looking at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing
10:30:36 <raphael> ... the Section 5 of the current draft
10:30:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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10:31:59 <foolip> oh noes, I missed it didn't I?
10:32:08 <raphael> nope philip, not yet
10:32:14 <raphael> we are half of the telecon :-)
10:32:41 <foolip> oh, we started 30 minutes ago, righht?
10:33:21 <raphael> ACTION: Silvia to draft a new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI of media fragments, at least for the temporal dimension
10:33:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Draft a new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI of media fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-03].
10:33:45 <raphael> Silvia: I haven't thought about other dimensions
10:34:02 <raphael> Davy: I will think about rendering for other dimensions (spatial and tracks)
10:34:41 <raphael> Raphael: another thread of discussion on the mailing list has been triggered by Werner: temporal fragments of media with time stamps
10:34:58 <raphael> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0027.html
10:36:11 <raphael> My summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0075.html
10:36:22 <raphael> Raphael: how should we handle that?
10:37:23 <raphael> Raphael: SMPTE was motivated by frame-based access to media
10:37:40 <raphael> Silvia: let's restrict to time continuous type of media
10:37:50 <raphael> ... timestamps are just markers
10:39:29 <silvia> contiguously marked SMPTE time codes
10:40:51 <raphael> ACYTION: Davy to write down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by werner (see also raphael's summary)
10:40:56 <raphael> ACTION: Davy to write down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by werner (see also raphael's summary)
10:40:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Write down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by werner (see also raphael's summary) [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2010-02-03].
10:41:23 <raphael> Last thing we need to discuss are the proposed changes of Philip
10:41:52 <raphael> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0034.html
10:42:15 <foolip> lucky I got here in time then :)
10:42:45 <raphael> Philip, are you joining us on the phone ?
10:42:51 <raphael> We would like to discuss your proposed changes
10:43:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:43:17 <foolip> I'll see if I can phone in
10:44:31 <Zakim> + +04613479aacc
10:44:51 <raphael> Raphael: Why did we choose ABNF syntax in a first place ?
10:45:01 <raphael> zakim, aacc is foolip
10:45:01 <Zakim> +foolip; got it
10:45:24 <raphael> Silvia: can't remember why we choosed that
10:45:51 <raphael> Raphael: let's ask Yves if he agrees to this change
10:46:03 <raphael> ... and more generally, to the group for the new paragrphs
10:46:16 <raphael> s/paragrphs/paragraphs
10:47:10 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael will ask on the mailing list if anybody has any problem with these changes proposed by Philip
10:47:10 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
10:47:44 <raphael> Topic: 4. AOB
10:48:26 <raphael> Silvia: we should clearly mark the stable sections in the document
10:48:33 <raphael> ... for the mozilla developpers
10:48:51 <foolip> and Opera developers :)
10:48:58 <raphael> of course :-)
10:50:09 <raphael> Present+ Philip
10:50:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:51:10 <raphael> Philip: one more issue ... dealing with decimal point ?
10:51:29 <raphael> trackbot, status
10:51:38 <silvia> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped
10:52:36 <raphael> ACTION: Philip to send to the mailing list a description of a new issue to be discussed (dealing with decimal for specifying time?)
10:52:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Send to the mailing list a description of a new issue to be discussed (dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [on Philip Jägenstedt - due 2010-02-03].
10:53:03 <raphael> Silvia: I think we mainly now need to discuss the section 5.2.1.x
10:54:29 <raphael> ACTION: Erik will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x
10:54:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x [on Erik Mannens - due 2010-02-03].
10:54:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:55:20 <Zakim> -raphael
10:55:22 <Zakim> -foolip
10:55:22 <Zakim> -silvia
10:55:26 <Zakim> -Erik
10:57:36 <raphael> Raphael: ALL to not forget to add items for the agenda for the upcoming F2F meeting
10:57:42 <raphael> [meeting adjourned]
10:57:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:57:51 <raphael> zakim, bye
10:57:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were raphael, +0329331aaaa, Erik, Davy, +06128012aabb, silvia, Thierry, +04613479aacc, foolip
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10:59:28 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
10:59:28 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
10:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: troncy to fix the weird character in the spec document [1]
10:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc#T10-22-15
10:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Silvia to draft a new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI of media fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [2]
10:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc#T10-33-21
10:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Davy to write down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by werner (see also raphael's summary) [3]
10:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc#T10-40-56
10:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphael will ask on the mailing list if anybody has any problem with these changes proposed by Philip [4]
10:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc#T10-47-10
10:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Philip to send to the mailing list a description of a new issue to be discussed (dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [5]
10:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc#T10-52-36
10:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x [6]
10:59:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc#T10-54-29