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16:04:09 <krisk> meeting: HTMLTF
16:04:52 <gsnedders> Zakim, this will be htmlt
16:04:52 <Zakim> ok, gsnedders, I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM already started
16:05:17 <krisk> light attendance
16:05:43 <gsnedders> Zakim: what's the code?
16:05:51 <gsnedders> Zakim, what's the code?
16:05:51 <Zakim> the conference code is 48658 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), gsnedders
16:06:16 <krisk> I'll start in a few more minutes, in case anyone wants to attend but is running a bit late
16:06:48 <Zakim> + +0131208aaaa
16:07:47 <gsnedders> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:07:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +0131208aaaa
16:07:56 <gsnedders> Zakim, +0131208aaaa is me
16:07:56 <Zakim> +gsnedders; got it
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16:10:08 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the call
16:10:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', adrianba
16:10:18 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone
16:10:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', adrianba
16:10:22 <gsnedders> adrianba: need a question mark,
16:10:26 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:10:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], gsnedders
16:10:39 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has krisk, adrianba
16:10:39 <Zakim> +krisk, adrianba; got it
16:10:48 <adrianba> scribenick:adrianba
16:11:04 <adrianba> scribenick: adrianba
16:11:35 <adrianba> krisk: 4 open actions items
16:11:41 <adrianba> krisk: closed 1, 3, 4
16:12:00 <adrianba> krisk: action-2 extended date - this is for mercurial
16:12:06 <adrianba> ... due on philippe
16:12:16 <adrianba> ... should be set-up in february
16:12:33 <adrianba> ... is this just something to check in to or will there be a web server too?
16:12:51 <adrianba> gsnedders: usual set-up is to have web access
16:13:05 <adrianba> krisk: these are just some of the details we need to work through, accounts, etc.
16:13:29 <adrianba> topic: new tests wanted
16:13:40 <adrianba> krisk: can anyone create a reference test?
16:14:46 <adrianba> gsnedders: should have some tests for content sniffing
16:14:57 <adrianba> krisk: existing html tests added to wiki
16:14:57 <gsnedders> … somewhere, can't find them
16:15:05 <krisk> for example -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Existing_Html5_Tests
16:15:13 <krisk> lists some content sniffing tests
16:15:48 <adrianba> krisk: this would help towards parsing tests and get the group comfortable with our reference tests
16:16:16 <krisk> any objections to starting with for parser tests?
16:17:11 <adrianba> krisk: at the last meeting we talked about focussing on the parser
16:17:25 <adrianba> ... are there any particular places we want to start?
16:17:49 <adrianba> gsnedders: starting with the html5lib tests would be a good start
16:18:22 <krisk> I'll take a peek at these and create a few action items to help move forward
16:19:26 <adrianba> gsnedders: parser tests should be quite up to date
16:19:44 <adrianba> ... used in validator and gecko html5 parser
16:19:50 <adrianba> ... shouldn't be far behind the spec
16:20:00 <krisk> sounds good
16:20:46 <adrianba> gsnedders: question about tokeniser tests because these can't really be run in a browser without direct access to the tokeniser?
16:21:20 <adrianba> ...don't think anyone has tried to use them to actually test within a browser before - might need to think about a different format here
16:21:37 <adrianba> krisk: ok
16:22:32 <adrianba> krisk: should we create an action to track this and look for a volunteer?
16:23:31 <adrianba> krisk: think that's it on parser tests for today
16:23:59 <adrianba> topic: test dependencies
16:24:29 <adrianba> krisk: for example, making sure that if you write a test then it doesn't incorrectly fail because of something else you're dependent on
16:24:37 <adrianba> ... specifically on the OM tests
16:24:43 <gsnedders> OM?
16:25:09 <adrianba> ... it might be a good idea to create an action to make some simple tests to prove the dependencies work
16:25:33 <adrianba> ... OM=object model tests
16:25:53 <adrianba> ... say you're testing how a control or element can be styled, don't use some new CSS4 selector
16:26:03 <adrianba> ...this wouldn't be a good test for the none CSS4 thing
16:26:22 <krisk> any objections?
16:26:37 <adrianba> krisk: that's all on the agenda
16:26:50 <adrianba> krisk: anything else
16:27:00 <adrianba> krisk: okay, adjourned then - thanks
16:27:01 <Zakim> -gsnedders
16:27:15 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:27:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/26-HTMLT-minutes.html adrianba
16:27:31 <gsnedders> RRSAgents, make minutes public
16:27:39 <gsnedders> RRSAgent, make minutes public
16:27:39 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', gsnedders.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:28:04 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:28:06 <Zakim> HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended
16:28:07 <Zakim> Attendees were gsnedders, krisk, adrianba
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