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14:41:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
14:41:12 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:41:13 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:41:13 <trackbot> Date: 20 January 2010
14:41:28 <Steven__> zakim, room for 6 for 65 mins?
14:41:29 <Zakim> ok, Steven__; conference Team_(xhtml)14:41Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 65 minutes until 1546Z
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14:43:49 <alessio> hi all :)
14:44:03 <oedipus> hi, steven!  my reader says your myOpera pic would make a great dust cover author's photo or a very cool CD cover
14:44:23 <Steven__> :-)
14:44:31 <Steven__> Yes, it is a nice photo
14:44:40 <Zakim> Team_(xhtml)14:41Z has now started
14:44:47 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:45:07 <Steven__> My phone was in the charger all night, but it hadn't made contact! Grrr. Now I have to work out what to do...
14:45:10 <oedipus> note the one-off zakim passcode for today 26631
14:45:11 <Steven__> Just thinking
14:45:21 <oedipus> can you skype in?
14:45:25 <Tina> The passcode is NOT the one in the agenda?
14:45:28 <Steven__> It's in the channel topic Gregory
14:45:33 <Steven__> Oh damn!
14:45:37 <Zakim> + +04670602aaaa
14:45:40 <Steven__> Sorry I for got to change the agenda
14:45:49 <mgylling> Zakim, aaaa is me
14:45:49 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
14:46:05 <Steven__> I'll try my mobile to see if it will work....
14:46:09 <Zakim> +McCarron
14:46:11 <Steven__> zakim, dial steven-mobile
14:46:11 <Zakim> ok, Steven__; the call is being made
14:46:12 <Tina> Zakim, codes?
14:46:13 <Zakim> +Steven
14:46:13 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Tina.
14:46:38 <oedipus> tina, 26631
14:46:52 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
14:46:55 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
14:47:52 <oedipus> tina, +1 617 761 6200 or +44.117.370.6152
14:47:59 <Tina> oedipus: I've never heard of any such assignment.
14:48:28 <Tina> oedipus: Thank you
14:49:06 <ShaneM> zakim, what is code
14:49:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is code', ShaneM
14:49:12 <ShaneM> zakim, what is the code?
14:49:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ShaneM
14:49:14 <oedipus> shane, 26631
14:49:22 <ShaneM> I was trying to get the phone number for Tina
14:49:27 <Zakim> + +0468645aabb
14:50:16 <oedipus> scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
14:50:21 <oedipus> scribenick: oedipus
14:50:26 <Tina> oedipus: Indeed, as on mobile phones in Europe. But 'CONF1' does not translate to '26631' on that system *shrugs*
14:50:40 <oedipus> TOPIC: Role and Access Modules - future of 
14:50:45 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Role
14:50:49 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Role/Vocab
14:50:52 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Talk:Role/Vocab
14:51:01 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access
14:51:02 <Steven__> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2010Jan/0012
14:51:09 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/element_versus_module
14:51:17 <Steven__> scribe: Steven
14:51:28 <Steven__> Gregory: I just posted a bunch of links.
14:51:35 <Steven__> PFWG are picking up role
14:51:52 <Steven__> ... but we are waiting for Judy Brewer WAI direcvtor
14:51:57 <Steven__> ... to OK it
14:52:09 <Steven__> ... I have taken the last draft, and updated it
14:52:15 <Steven__> ... such as renaming
14:52:25 <Steven__> ... can't make it public until admin things are done
14:52:32 <Steven__> ... I don't want to lose momentum
14:52:39 <Steven__> ... ARIA is going to LC in Feb
14:52:50 <Steven__> ... and I want to keep pace with ARIA
14:53:03 <Steven__> ... Questions: the vocab document
14:53:12 <Steven__> ... I understand that there is shared ownership
14:53:17 <Steven__> Shane: Yes
14:53:27 <Steven__> Gregory: What predefined roles do we need?
14:53:34 <Steven__> ... I think we need 'form'
14:53:38 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Talk:Role/Vocab
14:54:12 <Steven__> Gregory: Some problems there, minor but need clearing up
14:55:40 <Steven__> Steven: Send me the details, I have write access. I can make the editorial corrections
14:55:44 <oedipus> ACTION: Gregory - send editorial changes to Steven for Vocab document
14:55:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - - send editorial changes to Steven for Vocab document [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2010-01-27].
14:56:34 <Steven__> Gregory: Access is in a si,ilar state
14:56:37 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access
14:56:41 <Steven__> Steven: It has been accepted?
14:56:42 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/access_key_requirements
14:56:46 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/element_versus_module
14:56:49 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/command_and_event#Keyboard_Focus_Attributes_Module
14:57:07 <Steven__> Gregory: We agree that we need it, and the HTML WG has asked us for a strategy
14:57:20 <Steven__> ... so I would like to take the access draft as basis
14:58:10 <Steven__> ... one thing we need to deal with is that DOM3 events is deprecating DOMActivate for click
14:58:48 <Steven__> ... apparently click now means everything that DOMActivate used to mean
14:59:00 <Steven__> ... I don't like it, but the numbers are against me.
14:59:35 <oedipus> SP: hit RETURN in form generate "click"
14:59:41 <oedipus> GJR: my understanding ye
14:59:46 <Steven__> Steven: So does [return] in a fornm field generate a 'click'?
14:59:54 <Steven__> s/mm/m/
15:00:09 <Steven__> s/ye/yes/
15:01:00 <oedipus> TH: click is used in sweedish and danish to specify a mouse-click
15:01:16 <Steven__> TIna: I can confirm that 'click' means a mouse click in Scandinavian languages, so I agree that it doesn't make anything clearer
15:01:17 <oedipus> s/and danish//
15:01:41 <Steven__> SHane: I think that Doug Scheppers's reasoning makes sense
15:01:46 <Steven__> s/SH/Sh/
15:01:58 <Steven__> ... this is a strategy to get to interoperability
15:03:16 <Steven__> Steven: My worry is that if DOMActivate goes away, it will break handlers waiting for that event
15:03:26 <Steven__> Tina: It probably won't go away
15:03:46 <Steven__> Shane; They are saying that it is best practice
15:03:51 <Steven__> s/;/:/
15:04:04 <Steven__> Tina: I don't think that this has been well thought through
15:04:15 <Steven__> ... but I doubt there is anything we can do about it
15:04:53 <Steven__> Steven: Does Access use DOMActivate?
15:05:05 <Steven__> Shane: No, it uses the word Activate, without referring to DOMActivate
15:05:43 <oedipus> hives check click for DOMActivate from DSchepers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JanMar/0004.html
15:05:54 <Steven__> Steven: It will probably affect XForms more than anything, since XForms uses DOMActivate everywhere.
15:09:37 <Steven__> Steven: It looks to me like this would be a great HCG topic...
15:11:49 <Steven__> Gregory: Agree
15:12:02 <Steven__> ACTION: Steven to raise DOMActivate with HCG
15:12:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Raise DOMActivate with HCG [on Steven Pemberton - due 2010-01-27].
15:12:30 <Steven__> TOPIC: Pe5rs
15:12:35 <Steven__> s/5//
15:15:25 <Steven__> Steven: There's a 404
15:15:40 <Steven__> ... that needs to be fixed before we can annouce
15:15:43 <Steven__> SHane: I will fix
15:15:49 <Steven__> s/SH/Sh/
15:16:19 <Steven__> Topic: XHTML2 draft
15:17:10 <Steven__> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2010/ED-xhtml2-20100113/introduction.html#s_intro
15:17:17 <Steven__> SHane: WHat do we do about the issues?
15:17:24 <Steven__> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2010/ED-xhtml2-20100113/introduction.html#sec_1.4.
15:17:27 <Steven__> s/SH/Sh/
15:18:08 <oedipus> from Web Forms 2: The default action of the click event in this case is to fire a DOMActivate event, and the default action of the DOMActivate event is to fire the change event (assuming the activation did change the value).
15:18:22 <oedipus> s/in Scandanavian languages/Sweedish and Norwegian
15:18:46 <Steven__> Gregory: I think we should take the issues out, make it easier to read
15:19:13 <Steven__> Stefven: Idea! How about dropping them from the spec, and then creating a DoC sort of document that just contains the open issues?
15:19:18 <Steven__> Shane: THat would be easy.
15:19:23 <Steven__> s/TH/Th/
15:19:30 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1
15:19:39 <Steven__> ... works for me. We can link to it.
15:19:45 <Steven__> Steven: So resolved then
15:19:56 <Steven__> Topic: AOB?
15:20:17 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:20:18 <Zakim> -mgylling
15:20:19 <Steven__> Steven: None, adjourn
15:20:22 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
15:20:24 <Zakim> - +0468645aabb
15:20:26 <Zakim> -Steven
15:20:28 <Zakim> Team_(xhtml)14:41Z has ended
15:20:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +04670602aaaa, mgylling, Steven, ShaneM, +0468645aabb
15:20:35 <Steven__> rrsagent, make minutes
15:20:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-xhtml-minutes.html Steven__
15:20:46 <oedipus> rrsagent, +0468645aabb is Tina
15:20:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand '+0468645aabb is Tina', oedipus.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:20:59 <oedipus> rrsagent, [+0468645aabb] is Tina
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand '[+0468645aabb] is Tina', oedipus.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:23:54 <ShaneM> zakim, aaaa is Tina
15:23:54 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:24:10 <ShaneM> zakim, +04670602aaaa is Tina
15:24:10 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I do not recognize a party named '+04670602aaaa'
15:24:37 <Steven__> Present+Tina
15:25:06 <Steven__> Chair: Steven
15:25:47 <Steven__> Works!
15:26:38 <Steven__> Thanks
15:26:39 <Tina> Phew. One issue off the todo-list ...
15:29:40 <Tina> No, thank you :)
15:29:59 <Steven__> s/scribe: steven/scribe: Steven__/
15:30:05 <Steven__> rrsagent,make minutes
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15:35:37 <Steven__> s/in Scandinavian/in Norwegian and Swedish/
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15:36:08 <Steven__> s/Scheppers's/Schepers's
15:36:27 <Steven__> Present+Alessio
15:36:56 <Steven__> s/si,ilar/similar/
15:37:14 <Steven__> s/fornm/form/
15:37:42 <Steven__> s/WH/Wh/
15:38:09 <Steven__> s/annouce/announce
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